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Retribution Against the Financial Elite

Occupy Wall Street to Mayor Bloomberg: Get Your Facts Straight; Stop the Fear Mongering

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 12:42 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

Yesterday New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg alleged that Occupy Wall Street participants at Liberty Square (Zuccotti Park) are chasing criminals out of the park instead of reporting them to police. In reality, Occupy Wall Street has its own well-trained internal security force, but this team does not substitute for the police when it comes to criminal activity that threatens our community or local residents. Occupy Wall Street participants have called upon police on occasions when people with predatory intentions have come into the park and engaged in illegal and destructive behavior, and have in fact turned over criminals to the NYPD.

“Bloomberg lied yesterday when he claimed that a sexual assault suspect was merely kicked out of the park, when in fact OWS security personnel forcibly removed the individual and handed him directly to the NYPD,” said Andrew Smith, a member of OWS’s overnight Community Watch. “The Mayor should get his facts straight before he calls responsible citizens protecting our community ‘despicable.’”

The occupation at Liberty Square is a civic space, where concerned citizens are raising pressing issues facing our nation. The mayor should be lauding this renaissance of civic participation, but instead he has been consistently demonizing participants.

“Occupy Wall Street exists in a public space in a major metropolis, and of course there are problems that come with that, but we have systems and our own common sense to deal with those problems,” said Bill Dobbs, a volunteer with Occupy Wall Street. “Mayor Bloomberg is pandering to fear. What we’re seeing is a lot of effort to undermine and suppress the movement and divert from the damage the mayor and his billionaire friends are doing to the country.”

Interviews available by request with members of Occupy Wall Street’s Security Team, Community Watch, Mediation Team, and other volunteers working to ensure the safety and security of everyone who comes to Liberty Square.

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[-] 13 points by sufinaga (513) 2 years ago

let us kick the criminals out of goverment! the criminals who generated the subprime mortgages and created the derivatives AND STOLE OUR MONEY AND OUR FUTURES!!

[-] 4 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

We know what the problem is, let us fix it and move forward together.

When you look at a republican or democrat, congress or FDA official, Judges and Justice Department you see criminals.

Our corruption dates back decades to when those who in trying to preserve slavery had to find new ways to preserve it and so created an advanced form of slavery.

only two components were required -- the illusion of freedom and choice and the taking away of the freedom to live off the land.

How else would you get a person to submit themselves to mind numbing or degrading work unless you oppress them into it.

our current system is rooted in corruption and every attempt in preserving it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another.

In America the population has been transformed in two major voting groups but they only have one choice.

They had been distracted up until now with television and American culture which prospered through the oppression of other nations.

Americans allowed themselves to be fooled into using their military and economic dominance to seize resources of other nations and create expanding markets for American profiteers.

Now that technology, competition and conscience have evolved Americans themselves are realizing that they cannot sustain themselves under their current system of government.

Our government officials have allowed private profits and personal benefits to influence decisions that affect the health and well-being of people all over the planet, not just in America... how much longer will we allow them to rule over us??

Occupy Washington and demand that all government officials resign their posts.

We will setup new online elections with a verification system that will allow us to see our votes after we cast them, put our new officials in office and work toward rebuilding our country and our world.

share this message with everyone you know and pass it on, we already occupy the world. unite.

[-] 1 points by Eye4Eye (19) 2 years ago

Perfectly summarized. However, it's naive to expect the criminals to resign. Protests are only the beginning. There is a long road ahead.

[-] 1 points by Marlow (1141) 2 years ago

Good Post.. and i agree 100%

[-] 4 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

Wow, you sure said it, thank you.

[-] 3 points by sufinaga (513) 2 years ago

we are the community against their psychopathic society ruled by these fascist criminals.

[-] 3 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

You've formulated in fact a great slogan, something like, "The real criminals are on Wall Street"--I haven't figured out a snappy wording but making that connection between arresting people with ideals instead of those whose god is extreme individual wealth is definitely going to get picked up by the news. It's also a fantastic "defensive formulation"--meaning, not allowing the aggressors to paint us as violent but showing where the violence comes from in capitalist society. Thanks!!!

[-] 3 points by MachineShopHippie (216) from Louisville, KY 2 years ago

We're borrowing the street, they stole the future. Punish the real criminals.

[-] 2 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

You're so right. Except that we're not borrowing, we own the streets as sites for public protests. Keep up the great work!

[-] 1 points by ray4444 (69) 2 years ago

good

[-] 1 points by Someguyfromwis (41) 2 years ago

Strokes.

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[-] 3 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

The criminals aren't in Gov't, they're in power. They own the Gov't. Let's kick the criminals out of power.

[-] 3 points by Socrates469bc (608) from New York, NY 2 years ago

It's 1percenter Mayor Bloomberg, the Big Businessman, displaying the authoritarianism of Big Business.

You can see it is a Bloomberg PR pretext salvo shot for what he has planned next. He's trying to give the non-participating public a reason to back his planned actions.

This is how Big CEOs do it and Bloomberg is the Owner of Big Business Bloomberg.com, a company with strong ties to the Big Banks.

Mark Jefferson's words:

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” -- Thomas Jefferson

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

exactly

[-] 2 points by yasminec001 (584) 2 years ago

Guys...maybe it's both of them?

[-] 2 points by flip (5006) 2 years ago

good point - and an important one - gov't should be demonized - it should be democratized!

[-] 1 points by sufinaga (513) 2 years ago

we have no leverage on those fascist rulers, freemason/knights templar medieval inhumanity, no leverage on those fascist controllers of the freemason thugs in uniform. we have democratic leverage on the criminal stooges in government. seize the government then uproot the fascist tyranny. ask the right questions to expose the criminals and those who order the police brutality.

[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

boycott Black Friday -- http://wesower.org

why is it called black friday?

It kicks off a season where we all spend money on stuff to help big businesses move into the "black" (profit) as opposed to "red" (loss).

The economic holidays we have created to help us move an economy which is supposed to create more jobs and maintain the spirit of consumption as the driving force of life itself are not enough to sustain us.

Technology will continue to put the entire global population out of work, cheap labor will become more and more difficult to secure as people begin to rise out of oppression by economic and military force.

The only to preserve our failed system is to cause more harm and oppress more people. Do not allow this to happen.

Boycott black friday, boycott capitalism, force change.

http://wesower.org

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

I've been boycotting black friday but not because it puts the business in the black (the business provides jobs) - but because of the people who will kill a security guard out of greed to get the best deal.

[-] 1 points by rin1 (123) 2 years ago

Our flyers talk about this

www.knockknockrevolution.tumblr.com/flyers

help us spread the word on why everyone should occupy - tell your friends, neighbors, and family!

[-] 1 points by whatishumanity (54) 2 years ago

they'll just replace them with new criminals. everyone has a price, and those that hold the true power are never identified.

stop using commercial banks pay off debt shop at your local farmers market car pool if your community has one, use the barter system to exchange goods, or if your inclined, start one yourself find ways to save energy and don't consume more than you need

as george carlin would say, 'they don't care about you'

[-] 1 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

There is no such thing as government without criminals! Look around the world....look in history! First you need to understanding that those don't go without each other.

Second your only companioning because economy has slowed down. If it wasn't as bad in ecomonomy none of you would be complaining.

Stealing money is saying that someone took it and never gave it back. If I recall everything was paid back and who did the money go to? Went to companies not to close and for those who are still playing tax's to continue to do so? So be greatful that the goverment did do that otherwise things would be a lot worse. I will be first to admin i may not agree with all decisions that were maid but I will say that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Those who claim someone's future has been stolen should look in the mirror and ask yourself the question what did you do to contribute to this?

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

So, who in the Washington administration was criminal? Jefferson? Hamilton? .

[-] 1 points by GarnetMoon (424) 2 years ago

Your credibility is highly suspect. Did you attend school? Your spelling,grammar and usage are quite poor.

When you get this straightened out and present us with articulate comments and factual evidence then perhaps you have a chance...

[-] 1 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

Garnet, your a silly fool. However, I do agree my grammar is a bit lite and my spelling is a bit weak.

Sadly, for you are a fool to focus grammer and spelling when you a lost soul who probably has a art degree and understands business....probably less then a 5 year old who knows 1+1 =2.

Garnet, I don't need to preset anything...just as you assume nothing has been paid. Different is I have a job and have no time to help lazy people like your self.

My bottom line is I don't understand what you "OWS" want or saying. Because there is no clear message. You sound like a bunch of drunks/hippies....i'm sure you get the point as you smoke pot....

Here is a fact....you are forcing local government to spend money at a time when they need it the most....by try to stay in the city near wall st and getting violent...

[-] 2 points by GarnetMoon (424) 2 years ago

What do you mean by "nothing has been paid"???? Why do you resort to name calling? Oh, by the way, I also have a job. I work 60+ hours a week... and I am paying off a student loan. I took a year off from school and will be going back next year. By the way what kind of a job were you able to get with your level of literacy?

I have had discussions with conservatives and one can agree to disagree, but juvenile banter is exactly, and only that. Why don't you create a counter-movement to OWS?? I do not troll right-wing websites and whine about how much I disagree with them...why should you do this here? Could it be that you secretly like us?

My my, you assume that I smoke pot; you call me a lost soul. You say I have an art degree and understand business?

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

to owsisajoke1: No all the bail out money has not been repaid. Of the $700 billion given out only about $200 billion has been returned.

And, I am sorry to say, things will have to get worse to before thay can get better. We overspent as a government, and as a people, for far too long. We will have to let some things fall before we can put it right again.

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

$586 billion has gone out the door—invested, loaned, or paid out—while $279 billion has been returned. And the Treasury has EARNED $69 billion. (In July 2010, the financial regulation overhaul reduced TARP’s spending cap to $475 billion from the original $700 billion.)

[-] 1 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

show me this figures...where are you getting them from?

Also, what do you suggest...that banks should not have been giving a dime?

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/main/summary

I'm not suggesting anything. I simply posted some clarifying information to the discussion.

What most of these protestors don't get is that Paulson forced a lot of these financial institutions to take bail out funds they didn't need and didn't want. The "government" knew better. Those institutions that didn't need the money returned it as quickly as they could and needed the government's permission to do so.....How ridiculous is that? Force someone to take money and then place conditions on how and when they can return it.

[-] 1 points by meskk (17) from Miami, FL 2 years ago

That's the core of this whole thing! This story goes hand in hand with how just this past week, power at the top in several municipalities ordered judges to pass laws and rules to oust and shut down occupies throughout the land. These rules and laws would have possibly never been enacted, as they didn't ever exist! And all of a sudden here there were being made ON THE FLY.

Please note: why weren't laws and rules created to A. STOP the illicit and illegal gambling of our future and tax dollars on wall street and B. bring those responsible to justice? Not only has it not been done on the fly, but were 4 years out on this mess and not a damn thing. Again, this is the very root of this protest... Financial Rights, justice, and liberty must be restored!

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Right on!!!!!

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Congress is very afraid of an Article 5 of the US constitution. We can purify government with the ultimate constitutional tool we control through our states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution "Congress acted preemptively to propose the amendments instead. At least four amendments (the Seventeenth, Twenty-First, Twenty-Second, and Twenty-Fifth Amendments) have been identified as being proposed by Congress at least partly in response to the threat of an Article V convention."

Our first right in our contract is Article V, the right to have congress convene delgates when 2/3 of the states have applied for an amendatory convention.

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.-------

Note the step at 3.5, when Americans are clear enough to understand it, then we gain full authority to meet all demands.----

http://algoxy.com/ows/strategyofamerica.html

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

Dodd has already retired , why not go after Barney Frank?

[-] -2 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

I'm 99% and but you guys are trying to speak for 99% are trying to speak for me and I don't like that so please stop emplying that the 99% agrees with you because they don't!

[-] 1 points by Eye4Eye (19) 2 years ago

you have not waken up yet, but your children might. we speak for them.

[-] 1 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

Eye4Eye, how so...please elaborate? I'm curious so please explain....Im not testing you just want to understand. Because everything so far I've heard sounds like people are making excuses for their actions.

Side note: Not saying that nobody is at fault or that Gov is doing everything right....I absolutely agree with one issue that we have an issue in the country but I don't agree that people that work the most and the hardest should be giving up more.

Why do you assume you speak "for them" just because your assuming that you are doing the right thing or that you have the idea, does not make it right. If 1 idiot decides to jump of a bridge and the rest will follow does that make it right? No, does not.

[-] 1 points by Eye4Eye (19) 2 years ago

Well allow me to elaborate then. One of the biggest lies we were taught in schools is that you work hard then your earn more and have a better life. The reality is completely opposite. The richest people are the ones who actually never work at all. Of course, there are always exceptions and we can all find an example of hard working people who eventually succeed, but how many of others worked so hard till the rest of their lives and died poor. How many teachers, waiters, bus drivers, mechanics, engineers, soldiers, police officers will be close to poverty when they retire?

So for you OWS is the rip off on hardworking people in favor of lazy hippie bums who don't want to work. For me OWS is the protest against the abuse of hardworking people who got ripped off on decent retirement, got ripped off on the sacral capitalist right for having a land property because of the draconian immoral mortgages, got denied in medical coverage and standard education in order for a small group of people to become even richer than they're now.

Unfortunately OWS is close to its epic fail. They could not make clear legitimate demands of what they actually want and how they can improve the society and as the weather is going to get colder they will simply vanish from the horizon. However, this is only the first sight of the apocalyptic future that soon awaits all of us since no positive changes will come in the nearest time.

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[-] 3 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

This Post = Awesome.

[-] 2 points by Misenka1457 (45) 2 years ago

Vote of no confidence for BLOOMERG, NOW !!!!! Get him out of his cozy office along with his bunch of cronies!!! ALL out! NOW!

[-] 2 points by MortgagedTent (121) 2 years ago

Wow. Strong words from Emperor Bloomdiberg. We should demand he step down from his illegally obtained 3rd term and take the march to his corporate headquarters where he will feel the real pain.

[-] 1 points by MeAndWeThePeople (59) from Chicago, IL 2 years ago

Occupy Bloomberg! Bloomberg Tower at 731 Lexington Avenue.

[-] 2 points by Thisisthetime (200) from Kahlotus, WA 2 years ago

Vote Mayor Bloomberg Out of New York City. He is just a lap-dog for the 1%. More Power to Occupy Wall Street. Fair-ness.

[-] 2 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

Why DO rich persons seek public office? For the pay? Why do people vote for candidates with the most tv ads. Stay home if that's all that won your vote.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

They seek public office for power and control and to be on the stage.... all that to go along with their money. They obviously don't need the pay. They are in it for something else...... and it's a deep fucking sickness called GREED (excessiveness)!!!!!

[-] 2 points by judes (2) 2 years ago

Can this movement start a viral campaign to write someone like Bill Black in for president, or Matt Taibbi? Make it viral, don't vote for either corrupt party candidate, let's all write in someone who stands with the people.

[-] 3 points by CrackedEggs (6) 2 years ago

Vote for Ketchup ;)

[-] 2 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

He's a billionaire. What do people expect. He represents the 1%.

[-] -1 points by ray4444 (69) 2 years ago

hey bitch you better watch your languge

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Love ya, ray4444! LOL

[-] 2 points by FTBBREVOLT (3) 2 years ago

We would not even be here if we had jobs!!

Retirement eligible / capable Baby boomers need to retire so those on the ladder can move up and make an opening at the bottom of the ladder for recent graduates.

Also, when baby boomers retire they will be creating an opening for mid level unemployed to find a job.

ALL OF THIS WILL IMMEDIATELY REDUCE UNEMPLOYMENT and SPUR ECONOMIC GROWTH.

Please read:

I should preface this piece by stating I am not an educator and have examined this example from outside the circle. The information is valid and my sources are ethical, valid, and can be duplicated.

Example: Teachers (Not to pick on one group) have been paid HUGE perks by unions to remain in their jobs long after they have wanted to retire. I personally know several educators that have remained in their jobs two and three years past their scheduled retirement date. This is a big problem all across America.

We do not have a shortage of quality teachers in America. We have a shortage of quality teachers being employed. The poor performance of our public schools is irrefutable proof. I DO NOT believe it is because older teachers are not capable of teaching; they are. I do not believe it is because young teachers have poor skills; they are highly skilled. I believe it is because opportunities for growth have been stifled by retaining retirement age teachers beyond when THEY really want to retire. People will stay past their retirement date strictly for money, perks, and other incentives offered by unions.

At the risk of sounding like a generational divisionist, it is important to note that younger teachers have a desire to do the job. Furthermore they have the current skills needed. A vast majority of retirement age educators have not done a thing to bring their teaching skills to the twenty first century. Many saw this as a waste more than ten years ago as they were planning on retiring. Younger teachers are highly skilled and ready to teach today. Any one who would argue against this idea would be doing so from a position of ignorance, arrogance, or both.

A baby boomer at retirement age earns so much more than a new hire. Imagine, for every two that retire three new hires can start; AND SAVE TAXPAYERS MONEY WHILE REDUCING CLASS SIZE.

Those same teachers near retirement age are less likely to buy a new home; new teachers will. Many recent graduates are living with their parents (I am not one). In fact, new hire teachers are more likely to buy furniture, appliances, electronics, automobiles, and many other items. Once baby boomers retire, they are more likely to travel more and dine out. Young teachers are more likely to start families after they have more financial security from a new job.

Now, I have used teachers as an example here, but the same can be found in almost every profession. It is not my intention to unfairly hold unions accountable either. Unions are a business like any other and they are just trying to increase their revenue; higher salaries equal higher union dues.

In summary, I believe we need to urge baby boomers that are pension eligible to retire as soon as possible to aide our society to recover. Lower unemployment and a growing economy will result.

2 cents.

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

Wrong. There isn't enough pension money, medicare, social security, insurance coverage and/or other safegaurds in place to take care of all these proposed retirees!

Many who tried to invest have lost their retirements some would lose there homes they are still paying for.

We would just be shifting the demographics not fixing the problems.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

If there isn't enough money in Medicare and SS, it's because the legislators are stealing it.

[-] 0 points by ray4444 (69) 2 years ago

are you crazy or what?

[-] 2 points by StevenRoyal (490) from Dania Beach, FL 2 years ago

What do you expect from Bloomberg; he's a member of the 1%.

[-] 2 points by nofox (8) from Vero Beach, FL 2 years ago

Stay with it, guys. You'll be amazed at the amount of people who are putting their faith in you. Doing a great job.

[-] 2 points by stephgoich (2) 2 years ago

THANK YOU! Well said and right on for speaking up and defending OWS with confidence and clarity.

[-] 2 points by MissNEBM (2) from West Valley City, UT 2 years ago

Occupy Oakland's hearing, I think, was productive. Most of the members are for OWS and said they wanted to see it progress. Did anyone else watch it?

[-] 2 points by Restorefreedomtoall1776 (272) from Bayonne, NJ 2 years ago

My motto is Never Trust A Billionaire. When a bona fide billionaire marches with us, I'll consider trusting her or him.

[-] 3 points by socialmedic (178) 2 years ago

Who demanded, stop coddling the rich? What heir to the British Throne has been preaching organic food as opposed to Monsanto Frankenfood? Not all billionaires are bad ... but they will become bad if they do not receive the support of people. Rich and poor can coexist on shared principles. But some of the Rich have lost control and endangerd the rest. Do not alienate those who are against them.

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[-] 1 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

So what your really saying...what you believe is true and everything is not. So if someone has a solution for issues in this world they should run it by and if you don't agree or trust this person then we should all forget about helping the world??

[-] 1 points by Socrates469bc (608) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Bloomberg is the owner of Bloomberg.com, A company that provides data services to the Banks that got Bailed Out. He is an inveterate part of the Financial Industry Network, He is part of Wall Street. Yes, Wall St. has invaded our government.

He is the Big CEO who thinks the People must obey him instead of him being the public servant.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Exactly!!

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[-] 1 points by freedomparty11432 (2) 2 years ago

You have to remember Mayor Bloomberg is a member of the 1%. He is part of the problem and not the solution!

[-] 1 points by freedomparty11432 (2) 2 years ago

You have to remember Mayor Bloomberg is a member of the 1%. He is part of the problem and not the solution!

[-] 1 points by projectmayhem (1) 2 years ago

if ows has its own internal security why is it not protecting protesters from police brutality ...i understand it being a non violent protest but how many people need to get beaten and arrested befor people are willing to fight back .now im not advocating violence againts random cops but the ones who abuse their power should be lynched ...they are in the pocket of the 1% and have broken the oath they take to uphold the constitution

[-] 1 points by BeheadedOne (23) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

To state the obvious, Bloomberg is, of course, one of the 1%, so, naturally, he'll do everything in his considerable power to end OWS, including lie, cheat, steal, maybe even kill - albeit, not directly, rather, through the NYPD.

[-] 1 points by johnnyapple (15) 2 years ago

How about we all focus on getting all Government appointed officials, from our local City, County, State, Mayors to Governors and all their elected cabinets, all the way up to and including the Federal Government, Congress, Senators’, Obama and his cabinet take, a 10% cut in their outlandish salaries and freeze their raise for the next two years!!! This would make a serious impact on our economy, Christ maybe even balance the budget!!!! They all keep talking about cutting into our very needed social and educational programs, but no mention on their lavish life styles.

[-] 1 points by bullman (3) 2 years ago

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[-] 1 points by outsidenyc (11) 2 years ago

You filthy slobs should get a job. I worked my whole life, I didn't ask any rich people to give me money that THEY earned, I earned my own.

I washed dishes, swept floors, served burgers and any other job I could get. When I didn't have a job, I didn't sleep in some park protesting and whining that some other people had more money than me and I want some of it. I WENT LOOKING FOR A JOB!!

I got married, had kid, got a better job bought a house, had grandkids and saved some money so I could retire. NEVER ONCE did I expect someone else to give me money for nothing.

You filthy, lazy hippies should get your ass whipped. Go out and work and earn your OWN money, you effing lowlifes. If any of you were my kid, I'd give you an ass whuppin you'd never forget.

By the way, the only people who are rooting for you are other filthy lazy slobs like yourselves. They rest of us would kick the crap out of you if we had the chance.

Lazy ungrateful slobs.

[-] 1 points by mantelln (8) 2 years ago

Wow maybe if the police could do their job responsibly and protect the people gathering at zucotti park instead of constantly threatening them with eviction and forcible removal and arrest, there would be no tension or illusion of disorder or no perception of there being bad communications between the police and the park.

The people at occupy wall street are people who are working for what they believe to be for the good of America as well as the good of the rest of the world (which I think is is a kind of a new and kind of scary concept for many, especially older and culturally immobile people, global impact and global economy oh my!) .

Open your fucking eyes America!!! Speak up and tell the police to be responsible!!!!

The police force is ridiculously huge and intimidating and constantly hovering around Zuccotti park. I work down the street from there and am down there all the time. I have been living in New York for three years and can see that the usage of the police is grossly inefficient and unnecessary, as well as poorly utilized, and they have perpetuated an intentional lack of coordination and lack of communication with the protestors, in an obvious effort to confuse, fight, provoke and ultimately thwart the movement.

Well that's not in their fucking job description!!

Any American should be outraged by the actions of the police and local government towards our free citizens. Any one who has any knowledge of the constitution or understanding of the circumstances and principles under which this country was founded should identify these actions as being the actions our constitution directly grants us rights against and suggests against. These tactics are a direct limitation of freedom of assembly and freedom of speech.

We need to make effective and efficient use of the police by keeping a much smaller force motivated, understanding and cooperative individuals on the streets by the park doing the job of simply protecting the people in the parks and ensuring that things go safely, as well as ensuring the safety of the surrounding area.

They are kinda doing that now, but are mostly walking around spending their resources intimidating protestors with brute size and threatening protestors who are peaceably assembling in the park so much that nobody really trusts them to come in there and are forced to manage themselves. They are effectively utilizing their resources in an attempt to shut down the peoples freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Their resources should be allocated towards different goals.

New Yorkers, most of whom probably haven't seen what it is like down there or gotten an accurate view from what they can see in the media, should realize what they're tax money is really paying for...

Maybe the people should be more directly responsible for deciding and enforcing the strategies of the police demanding and enforcing the integrity of the feedback by the police and their governing bodies... We have the ability to make these decisions, about how our government works, as we decide they become necessary. That is what American government is fundamentally about.

There has been a large, riot control sized police force down at the park, marching around every single day that I have been there, and it is costing the city money and taking away a huge portion of police force that needs to be covering other areas of the city. It looks more like a military occupation than a police presence.

Occupy Wall Street is a peaceful organization and that has been made well known and demonstrated over time. The size of the police force that New York has there is unnecessary.

[-] 1 points by johndenton46 (5) 2 years ago

Hang on, stay peaceful, but don't back down.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

oh no, oh my! its..... its..... FEAR MONGERING don don daaaaaaa

[-] 1 points by thewolfman (6) from Wilmington, NC 2 years ago

bloomberg is on the take. The emperor has no clothes!

[-] 1 points by freecorvus (22) 2 years ago

Bloomberg is just like Mobarak in Egypt. He just changed the law to occupy the office for more that 2 periods and raised his asset over 13 Billion dollars. 2 years ago I filed a complaint in his office against Police, Precinct 34 and Intelligence officer Herman Yan *878 most dangerous kidnapper I have ever seen in my life

view here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/images/pr/pr_2009_026_yan.jpg

because of kidnapping me in lower Manhattan and calling me with hate language "FUCKING ARAB and FUCKING MUSLIM", Bloomberg answered their act was professional. In answer I wrote to him If calling someone by hate crime (such as Fucking Muslim or Fucking Black) by your Police is professional act then my highest proficiency to you. He got mad and sent his officers to my apartment to threat me. We will see some day that WE THE PEOPLE bring him inside a cage to the criminal court like Mobarak and he is crying. Hope to see that day.

[-] 1 points by fbrothers (3) 2 years ago

Impeach Bloomberg and his government money machine.

[-] 1 points by DonQuixot (231) 2 years ago

It's beautiful to see Americans waking up at last from the Hollywood dreams of Rock Hudson and Doris Day, etc., baseball, beer, etc. A long dream. Nice to see America start a U turn back to the God-blessed land of ideals of justice it once was until Wall Street corrupted it and made it Devil blessed. This is not against capitalism, only against corruption and injustice. Lies and propaganda cannot brainwash us anymore. Information is free for the first time in history. They may put Julian Assange in jail, but they cannot put truth in jail. Not anymore.

[-] 1 points by renshac (3) from Oxford, PA 2 years ago

Good Morning #OWS,

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[-] 1 points by rin1 (123) 2 years ago

actually there is the police are encouraging and sending the homeless and convicts downtown - a reporter for the New York Sun interviewed two drunk men at OWS who said that cops told them to take it down to Zucotti Park. Also cops have been dressing up as OWS protesters and actually causing chaos at Oakland to make an excuse to stop the protest and fire rubber bullets at veterans. Read the articles below with pictures:

Just be vigilant and safe guys!

http://redgreenandblue.org/2011/10/30/is-the-nypd-pushing-drunks-and-drug-dealers-on-occupy-wall-street/

http://redgreenandblue.org/2011/10/19/ows-disruptive-citibank-protester-was-undercover-cop/

http://redgreenandblue.org/2011/10/30/busted-occupy-oakland-police-infiltrators-exposed-on-video/

[-] 1 points by lastknight (2) 2 years ago

I'm proud of all of you, I ran from a thrid world country many years ago, they used and still supress free speech, but now this great country has been demolish by these GLOBALIST, and their aim is to control the population with money, ignorance and wars. But enough is enough we are starting a grass roots movement and LETS NOT GIVE UP, UNTIL WE OBTAINED OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOM BACK.

[-] 1 points by lastknight (2) 2 years ago

I'm proud of all of you, I ran from a thrid world country many years ago, they used and still supress free speech, but now this great country has been demolish by these GLOBALIST, and their aim is to control the population with money, ignorance and wars. But enough is enough we are starting a grass roots movement and LETS NOT GIVE UP, UNTIL WE OBTAINED OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOM BACK.

[-] 1 points by Misenka1457 (45) 2 years ago

In the past they used to chop the heads off rullers of kingdoms, cities and towns!!!

[-] 1 points by talination (10) 2 years ago

Has Obama kept his promises? Tell us what you think here: http://www.youmepolitics.us/

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

Could this dispute simply be a case of Bloomberg hanging around Schwartzenegger for so long that, he is losing his command of the English language?

[-] 1 points by h2oly (1) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I think it's time we start term limiting ALL government jobs. Why just the President? Why are the people who make the laws and have the greatest effect on Americans allowed endless amounts of time...when they have proven time and time again that the longer they are in power, the more they can be gotten to by special intrest groups and big corps. I think it's time for America to start a movement to limit those with the greatest amount of power. Start today!

[-] 1 points by OccLA (1) from East Los Angeles, CA 2 years ago

People who make remarks that can be proven to be untrue should be sued for slander. Bloomberg included. If there is any video or Police report proving that the sexual assault suspect was handed to the NYPD - then sue the bum.

[-] 1 points by CancelCurrency (128) 2 years ago

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. July 4, 1776.

[-] 1 points by CancelCurrency (128) 2 years ago

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. July 4, 1776.

[-] 1 points by iamjustastraightnonblonde (2) 2 years ago

its all about what men want, and obviously when they are rich. they want women who look like kids. jeese this world has gotten sick over the past 50 years

[-] 1 points by iamjustastraightnonblonde (2) 2 years ago

its all about what men want, and obviously when they are rich. they want women who look like kids. jeese this world has gotten sick over the past 50 years

[-] 1 points by fbrothers (3) 2 years ago

Bloomberg has a Maria Antoinette moment.

[-] 1 points by teachpeace01 (7) 2 years ago

This kind of smear campaign has always exited during struggles against the power of status.--- It was there during the civil rights movement --and certainly the movement for gay rights. Do not be dismayed or surprised. Hold to your principles and be transparent. The TRUTH will always prevail.

[-] 1 points by LastWaltz (115) from Medford, NY 2 years ago

Police have reportedly been sending ex-cons and homeless to Zuccotti to make us 'look bad'. The homeless are the 99%, many people served time for the wrong reasons. And some for the right reasons, but they served their time. Bloomberg is an outright liar. I want to march, let us march!

[-] 1 points by DLAtkinson (19) 2 years ago

He's actually more the Mayor of Wall Street rather than the Mayor of New York City; he sees his job to protect Wall Street from the 99% in New York City.

[-] 1 points by joanno (33) from Syracuse, NY 2 years ago

Any attempt been made to purchase Zucotti? Expensive piece of property I'm sure...but I'm also sure the 99% could put together the funds to make it happen. Having a People's Plaza at Wall Street's door would send a powerful, long term message.

[-] 1 points by ginnylou (2) 2 years ago

Speaking of Bloomberg, everyone should read this article from Bloomberg News. It shows that Koch Industries are guilty of treason, extortion, manslaughter, and innumerable counts of felon grand theft. If corporations are people, Koch Industries should be behind bars. Real "people" who commit such crimes are not just given fines. Corporations are NOT people, my friends. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

[-] 1 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 2 years ago

Who trained them? Chuck Norris.

[-] 1 points by CancelCurrency (128) 2 years ago

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. July 4, 1776

[-] 1 points by SayNO2GovInc (99) 2 years ago

They are terrified of the People uniting so they do these dirty tricks to scare off support and turn us against one another. They know the power of our unity. It's unfortunate to have to be address these accusations, but it's very important to do so. Well done!

Turn about is fair play! Use each of these malicious lies to expose the frauds. Turn their attacks around on them and show the People who can not be trusted! The dirty tricks won't stop unless they become fruitless, so make them useless or go one better, and let it work against them. I do this with trolls and shills; I use their debunking as a tool. I see it as a way to detail the information, add supporting facts and strengthen the message. It works. Anyone they are trying to deter or manipulate will get the whole story and realize trolls do in fact live these days... and the trolls are exposed so they go away. Expose all fraud!

I am so glad to see OWS countering the malicious lies because it also attacks the character of the People. Maybe we should keep a running list of lies-exposed and show what they're doing is nothing more than another tactic to stop, steer or steal the movement. We can beat the masters of manipulation and fear-mongering at their own game... just the facts, not to manipulate, but to stop the manipulation. It's just a thought because I know they'll stop at nothing to stop us. They've used the 'divide and conquer' strategy but now we're wiser and we can use their tactics to unite us.

Keep up all the great work! The power of our unity is immeasurable! 99%, Growing People Power! THANK YOU OWS!

I just want to add something I thought of when I heard what happened yesterday... police for Goldman Sachs. There was a protest earlier this year where the police maced several [elderly] peaceful protesters of JP Morgan's illegal foreclosure policy of breaking into occupied homes to change the locks. They arrested the victims. The hypocrisy of government shows at all levels, they protect criminals and vilify people; they protect the likes of JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs, BP and Halliburton while they make Julian Assange and Bradley Manning out to be villains for sharing public information to expose a serious crime yet Mark Zuckerberg sells private information and is awarded 'Man of the Year'. Obama appointed Feinberg to process claims by victims of the oil gusher, yet Feinberg gets paid by BP and his regular clients include Exxon, Citibank, Dow, DuPont and so on. Explains why less than 1/4 the fund has been paid out and life-long fishermen haven't seen a dime even though the oil is STILL leaking and poisonous dispersant is still being used. Our president gave his personal assurance the Gulf is safe, well, the facts say otherwise. The problems with corruption span the globe and the cause goes way beyond Wall Street. The problems are vast; wars, pollution, homelessness and poverty are serious and growing problems because the corrupt governments work for the corrupt corporations... not for any People.
Thanks again, for everything! PEACE

'Police Mace JPMorgan Chase Protesters', http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/17/police-mace-jpmorgan-chas_n_863342.html

"The Gulf of Mexico is NOT Safe. It is Dying!" http://saynotocorporateamerica.blogspot.com/2011/02/gulf-of-mexico-is-not-safe-it-is-dying.html Exposing fraud, and much more, GOV Inc is a global problem and WE are the solution!
'Say NO to Corporate America' http://saynotocorporateamerica.blogspot.com/

[-] 1 points by whatishumanity (54) 2 years ago

thank you. nice to know some get it!

[-] 1 points by OWSsanitation (2) 2 years ago

bloomberg/NYPD is sending the mentally ill and alcoholics/drug abusers recently released from jail down to the park for 'free food'. THAT'S whats going on, and the GA refuses to address this problem. OWS security has no authority to arrest those behaving badly, and if they are kicked out, they simply return.

[-] 1 points by metrostars (3) 2 years ago

A child rapist and a serial killer live on our street.

The left has said all we can do is send children to the rapist in exchange for him monitoring the killer.

The right has said all we can do is let the serial killer run amok in exchange for him monitoring the rapist. This false choice is the centrifuge of the fake Left-Right dichotomy. Being forced to choose from a set of predefined options (taxes / spending cuts / taxes & spending cuts) is not rational choice, it is a system of control; stage-managed democracy.

There is a third position that calls on the neighborhood to band together and execute both the killer (corporations) and the rapist (government).

[-] 1 points by violetwrites (10) 2 years ago

Here's a valid guide on dealing with CS anti riot sprays (American made products used in Greece )

http://imgur.com/4bjel

pass this along... not all the police are going to be on our side and eventually push may come to shove. WE need to be prepared.

[-] 1 points by Faithntruth (997) 2 years ago

From NYC CHARTER:   

Removal of mayor. The mayor may be removed from office by the governor upon charges and after service upon him of a copy of the charges and an opportunity to be heard in his defense. Pending the preparation and disposition of charges, the governor may suspend the mayor for a period not exceeding thirty days.

Since the gov would obviously not support any action against the mayor, you need to find a way around the lack of a recall law. Since there is no law against it, start a petition to do it.

[-] 1 points by bluesky2011 (1) 2 years ago

Let's watch out these areas: - cancelled auto-deposit pay check services - void making Dr appt online, instead calling the schedulers at clinic - void fill out any form online, instead completing on paper - stop paying bills online, instead mailing pmt via post office - try to write check when we make pmt in store - try to avoid ACH pmt for mortgage, instead cut a check each month We will be ended up paying our jobs to save the time and void inconveniences in our daily life. Banks, Government Agencies and doctors haven't lower any charge to services when they cut so many employees with these new tools.

[-] 1 points by GreenIguana (36) from New York, NY 2 years ago

You need to hold a press conference.

[-] 1 points by Faithntruth (997) 2 years ago

Investigate how to do a recall, or start researching candidates for the next election in a very public manner that will leave no doubt in the dictatorial officials minds that we will not tolerate their presence, and will take their power away. And let it be fully understood that any company that hires the ex dictator will be boycotted and protested. We have to stop the revolving door, and the mutal enabling between wealth and power.

[-] 1 points by Marlow (1141) 2 years ago

When they need to LIE...they Are scared!

[-] 1 points by AnimaLibbera (1) 2 years ago

To the oppressing hands...You re working for greedy people,setting up an oppressive world for YOUR kidds to live in,what do you think they will do with you when they don't need you any longer... may GOD have mercy on your Souls!

[-] 1 points by Adam (116) 2 years ago

I'm still waiting for Occupy Wall Street to actually occupy wall street already. Not a park 3 blocks away. The stock exchange.

[-] 0 points by ray4444 (69) 2 years ago

becuse u are stupid

[-] 1 points by Adam (116) 2 years ago

Why am I seeing nothing but hatred from people in here? Why are the hate posts not deleted? Intelligent ideas are all the way at the bottom of the threads while discrimination and hatred are at the top.

[-] 1 points by CrackedEggs (6) 2 years ago

Maybe it's only me, but these comment boards seem to be a little difficult to navigate... They are not user friendly.

But anyway, I still support the Occupy Movement.

[-] 1 points by CrackedEggs (6) 2 years ago

Politicians should be held accountable for their lies, just as if they were under oath.

[-] 1 points by Jinn (3) 2 years ago

I am not shocked that city officials distort reality and neither should anyone else be.

What is important is to maintain solidarity and a consistent commitment to honesty and transparency.

Their lying actually benefits us, the more they lie the more likely the people are to wake up and stop listening to the propaganda machine.

[-] 1 points by villager1637 (1) from Lancaster, PA 2 years ago

We need to start a movement to have supports stop 401k contributions to stop feeding he Wall Street Ponzi scheme and force the reset we all want. The wealth of the 1% is our debt.

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

The "Ponzi scheme" aspect of Wall Street "finance" collapsed in '08 with its shadow banking system. Any of it still surviving today but lives on borrowed time bought with parabolic issuance of "core" debt securities whose unprecedented mass accumulated prior to '08, since compounded, is certain to collapse of its own weight (in case you have not been following recent events in the euro-zone).

[-] 1 points by jjs13 (1) 2 years ago

In order to develop more momentum and sustain the movement in the coming months, let me suggest the following to folk who may not be able to participate in person.

In the rear window of your motor vehicles write: 99%

This can be done using either white shoe polish (visualize a weddings get a way car 'just married'), or car paste wax. Visualize driving down the road and seeing all kinds of cars with 99% in the rear window. Imagine !

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

good idea, Then we can start finding ways to actually change things.

[-] 1 points by oneless (1) 2 years ago

fake protests partner with MEDIA to distract from real protests. I believe the Greek protest is genuine. OCCUPY WALL STREET was timed to drown out the Greeks I think this because the Greeks had a specific demand last month in direct response to their government's sellout to the IMF. The Greek protest was saying 'Don't vote to accept this debt, traitors!'The "Occupy Wall Street" type protest is NON SPECIFIC. CONINTELPRO handled protests don't make demands - they make 'statements'. Like, "STOP WAR! LEGALIZE POT! "Give us back our future!" and "Stop pollution!" OCCUPY TOGETHER in the US and Canada are directed by C.A.N.V.AS., the same directors behind the Tunisian and Egyptian and 'Arab Spring' revolutions. They may look the same but the objectives are quite different. The objective in America and Canada is NOT to topple 'regimes'. C.A.N.V.AS. is backed by Council on Foreign Relations foundations like Carnegie Group and the Albert Einstein Institute and myriad other funnels of Illuminati funding. This is yet another orchestrated international 'controlled opposition' mouse trap. the 'Tea Party' is the controlled opposition trap for the conservative, this is the controlled opposition trap for the naive lefties. COINTELPRO not only infiltrated domestic antiwar and civil rights protest groups, it also created them. By 1968, the largest leading 'counterculture' groups were entirely FBI/CIA controlled. In fact the leading 'Anti-Establishment' figures of the late 60's early 70's were ousted years later as having been double agents for the CIA. The federal Representatives, the worlds powerful elite, anarchists, Hollywood millionaires and global socialists/communists groups are collaborating on messaging. I read the web comments today and paste exerts from them here on your page. I might get killed for the truth, you sly dogs.

[-] 1 points by EAD69 (8) 2 years ago

This email has been circulating at several financial firms:

“We are Wall Street. It’s our job to make money. Whether it’s a commodity, stock, bond, or some hypothetical piece of fake paper, it doesn’t matter. We would trade baseball cards if it were profitable. I didn’t hear America complaining when the market was roaring to 14,000 and everyone’s 401k doubled every 3 years. Just like gambling, its not a problem until you lose. I’ve never heard of anyone going to Gamblers Anonymous because they won too much in Vegas.

Well now the market crapped out, & even though it has come back somewhat, the government and the average Joes are still looking for a scapegoat. God knows there has to be one for everything. Well, here we are.

Go ahead and continue to take us down, but you’re only going to hurt yourselves. What’s going to happen when we can’t find jobs on the Street anymore? Guess what: We’re going to take yours. We get up at 5am & work till 10pm or later. We’re used to not getting up to pee when we have a position. We don’t take an hour or more for a lunch break. We don’t demand a union. We don’t retire at 50 with a pension. We eat what we kill, and when the only thing left to eat is on your dinner plates, we’ll eat that.

For years teachers and other unionized labor have had us fooled. We were too busy working to notice. Do you really think that we are incapable of teaching 3rd graders and doing landscaping? We’re going to take your cushy jobs with tenure and 4 months off a year and whine just like you that we are so-o-o-o underpaid for building the youth of America. Say goodbye to your overtime and double time and a half. I’ll be hitting grounders to the high school baseball team for $5k extra a summer, thank you very much.

So now that we’re going to be making $85k a year without upside, Joe Mainstreet is going to have his revenge, right? Wrong! Guess what: we’re going to stop buying the new 80k car, we aren’t going to leave the 35 percent tip at our business dinners anymore. No more free rides on our backs. We’re going to landscape our own back yards, wash our cars with a garden hose in our driveways. Our money was your money. You spent it. When our money dries up, so does yours.

The difference is, you lived off of it, we rejoiced in it. The Obama administration and the Democratic National Committee might get their way and knock us off the top of the pyramid, but it’s really going to hurt like hell for them when our fat a**es land directly on the middle class of America and knock them to the bottom.

We aren’t dinosaurs. We are smarter and more vicious than that, and we are going to survive. The question is, now that Obama & his administration are making Joe Mainstreet our food supply…will he? and will they?”

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

You aren't dinosaurs? Then why are you gasping for air?

(Not the first clue was the "Obama as enemy" rant, though it certainly was the most hilarious of all the hysteria!)

As a side note, my guess is the person who drafted this letter spent the rest of the day developing a report detailing why the Fed needs to inject another $100 trillion of QE.

[-] 1 points by OurTimes2011 (377) from Arlington, VA 2 years ago

"It's a classic peasant mentality: going into fits of groveling and bowing whenever the master's carriage rides by, then fuming against the Turks in Crimea or the Jews in the Pale or whoever after spending fifteen hard hours in the fields. You know you're a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit. Whatever the master does, you're on board. When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad. A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger."

[-] 1 points by aash (16) 2 years ago

God bless all 99% people. I want to suggest a new banner for protests: " We Want GOD's Reserve, Not Federal Reserve. We are the 99% "

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

No.... please leave God out of this.

[-] 1 points by aash (16) 2 years ago

Today we see more and more problems with the political and economic systems, because these systems are made on the basis of leaving GOD from all aspects of our life. If 99% movement accept GOD in it's basics, will win, but if not, I don't know what will happen for the movement from political system of USA and Europe and Zionists.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

The worship of God or whoever is what causes most of the problems in the world. If people would learn to empower themselves rather than worshipping something they think exists, everything would be better.

[-] 1 points by aash (16) 2 years ago

Where in the basics and actions of Liberal Democracy and Capitalist economy, you can see worship of GOD? There is nothing in the actions of many of people from worship of GOD, today in the world. All problems in the world, are because of Humanism and Satanism. It is Humanism which leads to Satanism. We all can see these problems in the world.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

"All problems in the world, are because of Humanism and Satanism."

Your accusation is extremely far reaching, inaccurate, and confused. The happiest, most well-off nations with the highest standards of living are secular nations.... while the poorest countries in the world are those that are deeply religious.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

"Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives. It stands for the building of a more humane society through an ethic based on human and other natural values in the spirit of reason and free inquiry through human capabilities. It is not theistic, and it does not accept supernatural views of reality."

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Um.... MANY people worship God/Allah/whoever, and they let that interfere with their choices on a daily basis. Here is the USA (don't know where you're at), we have separation of church and state in our Constitution, yet the religious right always is trying to impose its religious-based beliefs into state affairs. Also, many people who worship regularly have a BIG problem with being able to make rational choices, because they choose to follow what a book or their chosen deity "tells" them to do. So many wars have been fought in the name of religion as well.

Your statement "It is Humanism which leads to Satanism" proves just what I'm saying.

As an FYI, people who are humanists DON'T believe in Satan, so how can they worship something they don't believe in?

[-] 1 points by aash (16) 2 years ago

Today, satanism is an extended problem in the west and some places in the east. People of the world, need a real GOD. Not a god with a son, not a god with 3 aspects. People of the world, need the only GOD. I don't want to impose anything, but I suggest a new look. We can have a new look to the world around us, to know everything, to select the best. I am interested in the political system of "Islamic Republic" which can be seen in some Islamic countries, but the most complete in I.R.Iran. We can study that system. If it's a good one, we can choose it, correct it, localize it and use it in USA or another countries. What I want to say, is that the Liberal Democracy and Capitalist economy, are unstable systems and can't answer the people needs like that we can see in USA and Europe, nowadays.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Blah, blah, blah. The last thing we need is more god.

[-] 1 points by Denofearth (41) 2 years ago

I find it funny and ironic that the same Re-pube-lickins, along with a generous helping of lap dogs in Democrats clothing, are responsible for the mess we are all in, try to vilify the common working class Americans, and are directly responsible for the gun laws which have contributed to America's having the most heavily armed poverty class in history. I foresee a bite them in the ass eventuality if they don't start behaving more reasonably. It can't come too soon, or be more well deserved.

[-] 1 points by renshac (3) from Oxford, PA 2 years ago

I think that moving our money from banks into Credit Unions is a great first step to re-taking our money out of their (big banks) hands and regaining control of our money! Far too long have the big banks and Wall Street controlled our money, charged us for the privilege of managing and investing our money for their own ends, and getting rich from our money while we continually accept more fees and charges from the very institutions that broke the banking system!

I believe the next step, after moving our money from the big banks into Credit Unions, is to develop our own co-ops for our community to invest. Such co-ops could invest in real estate, community projects, and our own businesses and start-ups, which are governed by the shareholders and not a CEO and/or unrepresentative board.

[-] 1 points by IreneNY (5) 2 years ago

I've thought that was a great idea too. Workers investing and owning their own businesses, manufacturing plants. I would happily spend more to buy locally made, American made.

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

Yay, someone who is voicing some sort of PLAN!

Also, the politicians. We need to reform how the government is built.

1.) No politician should ever be allowed to hold any office more than two terms (only one term would be better) ever. If they want to be "career" politicians they would have to jump around at least and would run out of offices to hold. More people would have to hold office so more ideas would be brought into office, eliminating "staus qou." It would also minimize "back scratching" and trading favors. 2.) Office holders should have no special benefits (especially ones that carry after the job, like life long health care for all senators/congressman 'til thy die). They get a wage and basic benefits while in office like any other employee. 3.) Office holders may NOT vote themselves a pay raise! 4.) Candidates may not begin campaigning or fundraising in any way until 6 weeks prior to an election. 5.) Almost all offices should return to a part year schedule as they used to be (state legislature in ND still is. They only convene 180 days every other year unless some large issue arrises). 6.) Holding an office is a civic duty NOT a job. Those holding office used to have real jobs they went back to after serving. We used to have presidents who were teachers and farmers, not just lawyers.

[-] 1 points by renshac (3) from Oxford, PA 2 years ago

I love your thinking CountryGirl! I would, however, add that Corporations may not participate in politics of the people, for the people, and by the people in any way! Politics needs to be delivered back into the hands of the people! Corporate involvement in politics should be viewed as treasonous and treated as such!

[-] 1 points by angelhugs (12) from Durant, OK 2 years ago

Agreed!

[-] 1 points by DonQuixot (231) 2 years ago

I don't know if Bloomberg can or can't stop ONY, but I'm sure he is studying this with his lawyers, and I'm sure he will try under any excuse, he will never say he wants to stop it because he is against it. Remember Wikileaks. No reason given by PayPal, Visa, etc. Instead, a mysterious case for "rape" in Sweden.

[-] 1 points by live432 (3) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Take the power back. I did: http://vimeo.com/live432/vaffanculo

[-] 1 points by DonQuixot (231) 2 years ago

There are 3 kinds of people: 1) Corrupted by Wall Street, 2) Brainwashed by Wall Street, 3) Anti-Wall Street. Bloomberg clearly belongs to number 1). What is the percentage of media ownership and control over which democracy is a joke? 51 %? 75%? 90%? If you own 95% (under the disguise of different companies), there is still 5 % free press to qualify for democracy. But this 5 % cannot help the 95 % brainwashing of the country. How many Americans know what is the percentage of media ownership? There a media blackout on this, not something you will watch in CNN, Fox or WSJ, or TNYTimes. This is democracy in US, only fake-ocracy with elections as theater entertainment to make it look like democracy when both big parties are bought by Wall Street. It is time this stops, nobody should vote, to expose the corrupt system. Whatever you vote your're voting for a corrupt system that makes laws against you to favour Wall Street.

[-] 1 points by ettienn (1) 2 years ago

Bloomberg has sealed his fate and his false reputation and a pseudo progressive caring about the people of 'his' city.

He will be remembered much like the Robber Barons of the late 1800's such as John Jacob Astor (real estate, fur)—New York City Andrew Carnegie (steel)—Pittsburgh and New York Andrew W. Mellon (finance, oil)—Pittsburgh J. P. Morgan (finance, industrial consolidation)—New York City John D. Rockefeller (oil), Cleveland, New York Charles M. Schwab (steel) Pittsburgh and New York Cornelius Vanderbilt (water transport, railroads)--New York

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

Carnegie Tech, Carnegie Mellon University, Rockefeller University, Vanderbuilt University,and don't for get Stanford .

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

The following is from wikipedia:

"During the labor unrest of the late 19th century and early 20th century, businessmen hired the Pinkerton Agency to provide agents that would infiltrate unions, to supply guards to keep strikers and suspected unionists out of factories, and sometimes to recruit goon squads to intimidate workers. The best known such confrontation was the Homestead Strike of 1892, in which Pinkerton agents were called in to enforce the strikebreaking measures of Henry Clay Frick, acting on behalf of Andrew Carnegie, who was abroad; the ensuing conflicts between Pinkerton agents and striking workers led to several deaths on both sides. The Pinkertons were also used as guards in coal, iron, and lumber disputes in Illinois, Michigan, New York, and Pennsylvania, as well as the Great Railroad Strike of 1877." 16 people died in the Homestead strike.

So, yes, Carnegie and those like him did some really awesome stuff with their money in the end. But did it justify the way they earned there money? By bullying workers? I can't see that. Perhaps people like Carnegie could have been more "philanthropic" to their employees.

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

No one HAD to work for them.

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

You're correct. Going hungry is always option.

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

So, if you didn't work for a railroad you died of starvation? Most of the people in the USA did not work for a railroad. They managed.

[-] 1 points by amen88 (173) 2 years ago

is this guy for real?

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

It was railroads, steel factories and more. In some cases entire towns were there solely because of a factory. If you didn't work there you had few other options. The jobs started out fine but when the people asked for better pay, fair hiring, unionizations, they were squashed the now powerful monster they unknowingly helped create.

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

There are always other options, As for unions, once upon a time they had a purpose, now they're nothing more than money laundering operations for the democrat party.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 2 years ago

Two examples of rotten disgusting immoral behavior involving five very well known filthy disgusting rich multi-hundred-millionaire fake humanitarian celebrity pigs.

The ugly truth about the housing market, Countrywide, predatory lending, and the endorsements of Oprah Winfrey, Ellen Degeneres, and Dr Phil. Ch'Ching!

The first subprime loans were issued in 1994. It was a gimmick to sell more homes, artificially inflate the market, sell more homes at higher profits, foreclose on those who could not pay when the ARM rates readjusted, take their homes leaving them with nothing to show for their payments, resell the homes at a higher profit and so on. It was a cruel and calculated plan to sell more homes and artificially inflate the market. Those loans were incredibly profitable for well over a decade before the house of cards finally collapsed. In the meantime, bankers got richer along with the richest one percent who made off with higher dividends. It was a sham.

The biggest player in the game was Countrywide. Endorsed by Oprah Winfrey, Ellen Degeneres, and Dr Phil. If you have their shows from '04' to '06' on tape, watch them again. All three were paid millions specifically to endorse Countrywide by name. The biggest subprime player in the game. They issued more ARM loans than anyone else. Foreclosing on those who could not make their monthy payments when the rates suddenly went through the roof. It was a cruel and calculated plan to sell more homes, artificially inflate the market, foreclose, and resell for a higher profit. The sham worked like a charm for 12 years before the house of cards finally fell in.

At this approximate time, the worthless paper was sold to unsuspecting investors.

Oprah, Ellen, and Dr Phil were paid millions for their endorsements. Ch'Ching!

They have always had their ignorant love-sick fans eating right out of their hands. This alone is irresponsible. But to stand there and tell their ignorant love-sick fans to run out and get a loan from the biggest rat in the industry. That's just sick. 

These three pigs are not naive little uninformed twits like Paris Hilton. They are educated, informed, and extremely savvy mass media juggernauts. They knew damn well about predatory lending. It was a common phrase by then. Still, they stood there and endorsed the biggest subprime rat in the industry. They did so with a big fat FAKE smile on their face. Unfortunately, public figures are not legally required to be straight with their ignorant fans.

But they God damn well should be.

Bono is no humanitarian. In fact, he made millions from a shady deal with Live Nation in which other investors were made to subsidize his multi-million dollar stock options regardless of market value. The stock tanked, Bono unloaded, and those 'other' investors did in fact take giant losses in part, so the filthy disgusting rich multi-hundred-millionaire 'humanitarian' Bono would not have to. 

Ch'Ching! 

Just another rotten immoral disgusting trick perpetrated in the name of greed.

Madonna secured a similar deal with Live Nation. 

I've said it many times and I will say it many more. 

There is no such thing as a multi-millionaire humanitarian.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 2 years ago

The ugly truth. America's wealth is STILL being concentrated. When the rich get too rich, the poor get poorer. These latest figures prove it. AGAIN.

According to the Social Security Administration, 50 percent of U.S. workers made less than $26,364 in 2010. In addition, those making less than $200,000, or 99 percent of Americans, saw their earnings fall by $4.5 billion collectively. The sobering numbers were a far cry from what was going on for the richest one percent of Americans.

The incomes of the top one percent of the wage scale in the U.S. rose in 2010; and their collective wage earnings jumped by $120 billion. In addition, those earning at least $1 million a year in wages, which is roughly 93,000 Americans, reported payroll income jumped 22 percent from 2009. Overall, the economy has shed 5.2 million jobs since the start of the Great Recession in 2007. It’s the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression in the 1930’s.

Another word about the first Great Depression. It really was a perfect storm. Caused almost entirely by greed. First, there was unprecedented economic growth. There was a massive building spree. There was a growing sense of optimism and materialism. There was a growing obsession for celebrities. The American people became spoiled, foolish, naive, brainwashed, and love-sick. They were bombarded with ads for one product or service after another. Encouraged to spend all of their money as if it were going out of style. Obscene profits were hoarded at the top. In 1928, the rich were already way ahead. Still, they were given huge tax breaks. All of this represented a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Executives, entrepreneurs, developers, celebrities, and share holders. By 1929, America's wealthiest 1 percent had accumulated around 40% of all United States wealth. The upper class held around 30%. The middle and lower classes were left to share the rest. When the majority finally ran low on money to spend, profits declined and the stock market crashed.

Of course, the rich threw a fit and started cutting jobs. They would stop at nothing to maintain their disgusting profit margins and ill-gotten obscene levels of wealth as long as possible. The small business owners did what they felt necessary to survive. They cut more jobs. The losses were felt primarily by the little guy. This created a domino effect. The middle class shrunk drastically and the lower class expanded. With less wealth in reserve and active circulation, banks failed by the hundreds. More jobs were cut. Unemployment reached 25% in 1933. The worst year of the Great Depression. Those who were employed had to settle for much lower wages. Millions went cold and hungry. The recovery involved a massive infusion of new currency, a World War, and higher taxes on the rich. With so many men in the service, so many women on the production line, and those higher taxes to help pay for it, the lions share of United States wealth was gradually transfered back to the middle class. This redistribution of wealth continued until the mid seventies. This was the recovery. A massive redistribution of wealth.   Then it began to concentrate all over again. Here we are 35 years later. The richest one percent now own well over 40 percent of all US wealth. The lower 90 percent own less than 10 percent of all US wealth. This is true even after taxes, welfare, financial aid, and charity. It is the underlying cause.   No redistribution. No recovery.

The government won't step in and do what's necessary. Not this time. It's up to us. Support small business more and big business less. Support the little guy more and the big guy less. It's tricky but not impossible. No redistribution. No recovery.

Those of you who agree on these major issues are welcome to summarize this post, copy it, link to it, save it, show a friend, or spread the word in any fashion. Most major cities have daily call-in talk radio shows. You can reach thousands of people at once. They should know the ugly truth. Be sure to quote the figures which prove that America's wealth is still being concentrated. I don't care who takes the credit. We are up against a tiny but very powerful minority who have more influence on the masses than any other group in history. They have the means to reach millions at once with outrageous political and commercial propaganda. Those of us who speak the ugly truth must work incredibly hard just to be heard.

[-] 1 points by onemoe (78) 2 years ago

The movement needs some direction. This is getting just crazy all these people and no reasonable requests just a bunch of people milling around. A list of demands that the OWS movement should be working on.

  1. An end to ARM's these loans were used incorrectly by banks to get people into houses that the banks knew would have issues . These loans are great if you are a seasoned professional investor but for most people they are merely a way of skirting the qualifying process and end up being a bad deal for everyone but the bank.

  2. An end to IRA's and a return to guaranteed pensions. Anyone realize that all IRA's really are is a way for corporations to tap capital that was previously unavailable to them. So basically IRA's fund big bonuses and if the market conditions are right you may get to retire on those funds. But as is more likely you will lose a percentage of your retirement funds by participating. And of course if you are not a government employee you really have no choice because almost every corporation in the world has gone that way now. Just another way that we get used.

  3. Block entry of goods from countries that have no pollution controls on their factories. If we as a people have been supportive of EPA regulations for pollution then how can we allow goods to be imported from countries that do not support the environment. Not only does this practice harm the environment but it also kills manufacturing in America by allowing our companies to go abroad and then import back to the USA. Not only do our companies do this but they even lobby congress for free trade agreements to make the practice easier for them. For manufacturing to return to America we need to do this.

  4. End lobbying. Why should anyone be allowed to pay millions to have teams of people trying to influence our elected officials? It's just wrong. Our system was set up to allow people to collect names of constituents on a list who want something handled in a particular way. It's called a petition. That's how elected officials should decide which side of an issue they are on. If their constituents feel strongly enough about an issue they should petition and if still ignored call for a recall of that official.

  5. Reduce federal salaries and benefits. This requires no explanation.

  6. Encourage Dr.s to establish their own practices rather being hired by a corporate practice. Would need to review some tort reform for Dr.s so they can afford their own malpractice insurance, which is one reason they go for the corporate practices. Getting the corporations out of this field would reduce the need for higher income levels (in a corporate setting you have to add profits above and beyond DR and Nurse salaries) thereby reducing the cost of basic family care.

  7. Let the Mexicans in. Charge everyone entering from Mexico a 1000.00 dollar fee to establish a tax ID. Do the same for the ones already here. I mean lets face it they are here and we need them to pay their share, something they would more than likely be glad to do if they had the opportunity. This card does not give them citizenship it would merely let them be here in a legal sense and allow us to collect the extra revenue that their presence requires.

  8. Maybe give tax breaks to any of the 1% that uses their money to support local improvement projects. Like fixing the streets in their town or building a civic center, or homeless shelters any project that would require a bond election would qualify and other projects could be added as needed.

OK there's a few to get them started. There is no way we could every do away with capitalism but we can do some things to make sure that people come first then business.

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

(This is a repost of above but I thought it worked here too)

Yay, someone who is voicing some sort of PLAN!

Also, the politicians. We need to reform how the government is built.

1.) No politician should ever be allowed to hold any office more than two terms (only one term would be better) ever. If they want to be "career" politicians they would have to jump around at least and would run out of offices to hold. More people would have to hold office so more ideas would be brought into office, eliminating "staus qou." It would also minimize "back scratching" and trading favors. 2.) Office holders should have no special benefits (especially ones that carry after the job, like life long health care for all senators/congressman 'til thy die). They get a wage and basic benefits while in office like any other employee. 3.) Office holders may NOT vote themselves a pay raise! 4.) Candidates may not begin campaigning or fundraising in any way until 6 weeks prior to an election. 5.) Almost all offices should return to a part year schedule as they used to be (state legislature in ND still is. They only convene 180 days every other year unless some large issue arrises). 6.) Holding an office is a civic duty NOT a job. Those holding office used to have real jobs they went back to after serving. We used to have presidents who were teachers and farmers, not just lawyers.

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

Every suggested policy prescription needs airing in Congress. That's how things get done. It has been this way for a couple hundred years now.

In order for the necessary dialog in Congress to have any hope of gaining fair and full hearing but one thing is required: a body politic foremost intent on being held accountable on constitutional grounds. This is sorely lacking, and it has been this way for my entire adult life (I'm 52). Thus, one need not be a political scientist or a media wonk to understand the motivation behind "Occupy" movements across the nation. Unaccountable government goes a long way toward explaining the genesis of this movement.

So, restoring accountability in government is prerequisite to possessing a Congress where desired policy changes can be fully and fairly debated.

How do we get there?

Attack the institution of the presidency whose last two office holders have made a mockery of the Constitution. Impeach. Insist Congress fulfill its DUTY on this account.

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

Congress as a whole needs ousted also. Recall elections and voting for almost anybody that isn't the status quo.

[-] 1 points by pfolman (28) from Long Beach, CA 2 years ago

The most precise comment that captured my thoughts exactely came from Matt Taibbi on KO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSPjvnreNIw

[-] 1 points by pfolman (28) from Long Beach, CA 2 years ago

The most precise comment that captured my thoughts exactely came from Matt Taibbi on KO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSPjvnreNIw

[-] 1 points by mansoor114 (6) from Germantown, MD 2 years ago

Here is how the banker's game works:

1) Get the government to issue some currency (cash -- paper or reserves at the central bank -- reserves are government issued cash central bank deposits). Government issued cash is around 5% of the currency (money) supply. The government issued currency is put into circulation by the government simply spending it.

2) The rest (95%) of the currency is issued by the private banks. Each customer loan is a new bank deposit (i.e., new currency) and increases the currency (money) supply of the economy. Note that this newly created money (currency) is put into circulation by the borrower spending it. Most currency (about 95% America's currency supply) has been borrowed into existence and when bank customer pays the loan back that amount of currency is removed from circulation. The banking system cannot go backwards (fewer net loans) as time moves on because fewer net loans means fewer currency in circulation in the economy.

Accmulation of interest charges on outstanding loans means that the currency supply must constantly increase even if it means giving out lower quality loans. Think of it like a plane flying it must fly at some minimum speed or else the plane (the banking system) will crash (i.e., banking system collapse).

3) The bankers make dam sure that the common public does not understand how the monetary system works meaning that the private banks issue 95% of the currency. This is whole another topic how they do this.

4) The system works until real economic capacity of the economy grows and debts can be serviced and interest charges paid. Most of the time the economy oscillates between boom (growth) and bust (recession) because bust is needed to clear debts and start a new lending cycle.

5) Eventually, one of these cycles goes so deep that currency supply (and demand) falls so low that too many debts become un-serviceable. The recession becomes a depression now.

6) The bankers then have to decide how to "reset" the system. One way to reset the system is to let the depression takes its course. But of course this path is very chaotic because people lose jobs and may become violent. Once most debts are cleared lending can start again and the currency supply is replenished. Wars are a good way to get initial money (currency) into an economy after a depression to get demand going again. This is the great depression scenario.

7) Another way to "reset" the system is to get the government to print too much money and spend and destroy the currency and blame it on the government. This justifies issuance of a totally new currency (note that hyperinflation clears debts) and the lending cycle can start again. This is the Weimar scenario.

8) The banking system (as is) is setup to maximize the power and influence of the global bankers and NOT for the maximum general well being of people. By the way this is a global game. This is the only system around no matter what country you are in. The global banking cartel makes sure that no competing systems are allowed to exist (so they might be copied and global bankers will lose power).

For more details on this stuff please read the following articles in order listed below:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/209386-modern-monetary-system-there-is-another-way

http://aquinums-razor.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-is-deflation-and-depression.html

http://seekingalpha.com/article/210346-should-newly-created-money-be-a-private-or-a-public-asset

http://seekingalpha.com/article/192375-cause-of-today-s-economic-crises-too-much-thrift

http://seekingalpha.com/article/160269-a-radical-solution-for-america-s-insolvent-financial-system

http://seekingalpha.com/article/146658-great-banking-confusion-is-there-a-better-way

mansoor h. khan

gaithersburg, maryland

http://aquinums-razor.blogspot.com/

[-] 0 points by ray4444 (69) 2 years ago

hey go back to india you talk too much.

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[-] 1 points by socialmedic (178) 2 years ago

The bankster crime is global ... listen to your resonance!

[-] 1 points by occupyguy (33) 2 years ago

Lets set up the cops. Let's get some occupiers to get drunk, act belligerent and then film the cops when they engage in dialogue and take them to Liberty Plaza.

It's real simple: Talk to the crazy drunks that are getting imported and causing trouble at Liberty Plaza, give them a dollar to figure out where they are getting picked up from, and then set the trap for the cops!

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

Better idea: put together a "fact sheet" detailing how public employee pension funds have been pilfered, and organize brigades of retired police officers, fire fighters and teachers willing to educate those on the wrong side of the barricade.

[-] 1 points by occupyguy (33) 2 years ago

That's a great idea!!!

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

What?

[-] 1 points by socialmedic (178) 2 years ago

Yo Vengo a Ofrecer Mi Corazone ... Play that in the square ... it will remind the banksters of countries they bankrupted before they ran off with the money. Fuck the WAR criminal Mayor!

[-] 1 points by socialmedic (178) 2 years ago

People are not falling for your spin fear mongering any more. Until New York as a reasonable, well educated thinking man for governor it has none.

[-] 1 points by Socrates469bc (608) from New York, NY 2 years ago

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” -- Thomas Jefferson

[-] 1 points by joesmith7789 (31) 2 years ago

No one except for Bloomberg knows if he lied. It would be best to present him with the police reports that have taken place in the park and then ask him for a public apology. Remember this is the same Mayor that claimed he was misinformed about the cleanup of the snow.

[-] 1 points by ediblescape (235) 2 years ago

Yes you are right.

[-] 1 points by salvo (10) from Trapani, Sicilia 2 years ago

I think you have to bow down before a little too rich._

("secondo me vi siete inchinati un pò troppo davanti ai ricchi._")

[-] 1 points by jgrace (20) 2 years ago

Of all the arguments for or against #ows, in the end we must NOT accept a regional/global currency....EVER! END THE FED! The Vatican is already proposing global slavery, ahem, currency...

[-] 1 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

With the Euro in crisis I think many already see that one currancy doesn't even work well in the EU it won't work world wide.

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

The "euro" isn't a currency. It's scrip. With neither a Treasury nor a military backing it, it's a sucker's game. Go figure, in the land where fascism had its vile moment, a concerted effort to create conditions conducive to its resurrection. That's what the euro is intended to accomplish. So far, so good.

[-] 1 points by socialmedic (178) 2 years ago

Two Responses:

Yo Vengo a Ofrecer Mi Corazone, Mercedes Sosa Vai Passar, Chico Buarque de Holanda

Play these songs resonantly and loudly until the movement writes its own song

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

Pandering to fear has always been the founding precept of the "Divide and Conquor" strategy of controling the masses, since before even the days of those past masters, the Romans who, perfected the method.

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

Indeed, "fear" has been so deeply sown that, a President can order the murder of 3 Americans in Yemen without so much as batting an eye with concern for "due process." Outrageous.

[-] 1 points by crgaillee2 (5) 2 years ago

://www.usatoday.com/video/news/1255796284001 this is the address to the video of Mayor Bloomberg and the rep from the port authority along with other key political ppl., to include the chief of police addressing "The Press" or at least the major press reporter. also bear in mind that there is alot of manipulation going on with the major press organizations it's very slanted. try not to grind your teeth too much.

[-] 1 points by sdcheung (76) 2 years ago

Yes, Bloomberg the boston transplant is quite dispicable.

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[-] 1 points by ToddDunning (89) from Aliso Viejo, CA 2 years ago

Why not occupy City Hall then?

[+] -7 points by korzib9 (80) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

Don't forget your face mask and a couple of molotov cocktails. It isn't a very long walk, but there is a bank on every corner just waiting for the fires of revolution to descend upon it.

[-] 2 points by socialmedic (178) 2 years ago

Not every bank is a bad bank. Don't fuck yourself by trashing a mom and pop joint in your ferver.

[-] 0 points by misterE (0) 2 years ago

Yes, mom and pops allways get hit in the madness of riots. As an anarchist I have to be ever vigalent against the values of false anarchists. We must build a new world, not burn down the old. This planet can't take another civ building from scratch. Rather then smashing the buildings of old we must take them apart brick by brick. Rather then cleansing the world with fire we must get into the cracks of the world and clean it from the bottem up. If/when there are those who would smash the windows from banks it is my duty, and the duty of all true anarchists, to stop them. How can we build a better world if we act no better then those in power now?

[-] 1 points by amen88 (173) 2 years ago

you are right here

[-] 1 points by Eye4Eye (19) 2 years ago

How do you expect to stand up against the brutality of the false laws? Do you shot them with your cameras and enjoy the moment on youtube waiting for Bloomberg to give up his 4th term? I can tell you right now "watching and tolerating" is not going to work, not with these bloody crooks we have in power now.

[-] 1 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

Who indoctrinated you?

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Do you ever have anything of substance to say?

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

Yes I do.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Then do it.

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

OWS , occupy fill in the blank is funded by George Soros and the many arms of his organizations. It's been in the works for a long time. All 0bama and the dems have left is fake class warfare . They certainly don't have a record to run on, this their baby.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Yeah, like George Soros runs MoveOn.org, right? Just because someone gives funds to an organization, it doesn't mean they run it. That is a very shortsighted view.

[-] 1 points by IreneNY (5) 2 years ago

Yo just proved that you have nothing of substance to say. Go home and watch more Hannity.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Thank you!!!!

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

This comment wasn't to you, raines.

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

always pleased to tell you the truth.

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

sorry dear, I don't watch hannity.

[-] 0 points by CountryGirl (73) 2 years ago

That was so beautifully worded.

[-] 2 points by Anarchitect (20) 2 years ago

Or, maybe, we can try to resolve this without fire. I've solved many a problem with fire, but I don't think this is an appropriate application.

[-] -3 points by korzib9 (80) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

Maybe. I am just throwing out ideas here.

[-] 1 points by IreneNY (5) 2 years ago

Don't throw violence as an idea as it's a bad one.

[-] 0 points by LetsGetTheFactsStraight (30) 2 years ago

Check out LetsGetTheFactsStraight.com

[-] 0 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

Your post above about the assault contradicts this post. You said you kicked him out and let the victim decide.

[-] 0 points by velveeta (230) 2 years ago

get the criminals out of the banking system, out of government, out of the financial services system

[-] 0 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

Can someone explain what is your problem with rich people?

[-] 1 points by angelhugs (12) from Durant, OK 2 years ago

We have no problem with rich people, they are just as needed in society as every other class. Our problem is with the corrupt, lawbreaking, greedy people. It just so happens that that type of behavior has become very fashionable among most of the "rich people" of today.

[-] 1 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

Angel, thank you for explaining most people are really bad at this "OWS" i mean they say things but not very good arguemenets....

That being said....please define "corrupt and greedy". Because I always though you want to be greedy to be rich and corrupt is bad for business...so I can see why you have an issue with corrupt... but greedy...not sure.

There is different type of greed....one that people use to do bad and greed that helps people do good. Such as innovation.....

[-] 1 points by angelhugs (12) from Durant, OK 2 years ago

The definition of Greed is an excessive desire to possess wealth, goods, or abstract things of value with the intention to keep it for one's self I believe innovation can and has occurred in the past without greed. Do you remember "back in the day" when individuals started a business to provide a service/product that they saw a need for but that was not yet widely available? I could be wrong but I don't think most of them thought of the money first. They just wanted to provide a needed service/good all the while providing themselves with a living. The bi-product of this sometimes being that they became wealthy in the process. But they also provided a needed service/product and at the same time provided Americans with Jobs! So they may have wanted to be rich...but they wanted to do so by giving back to the people who would ultimately help them get there. Now fast-forward to today. Company's are being rewarded for moving American Jobs to other countries so those CEO's/shareholders/govt Buddies can put more money in their own pockets. No one cares about customer satisfaction anymore. No one cares about providing consumers with the Best Quality Product anymore. Most employers seem to forget that it was their low paid employees that made it possible for them to have so much in the first place. They don't care that the people who have worked their fingers to the bone to make them wealthy are now suffering unfairly.
Sorry I started to ramble a bit....Hope that provides you with the explanation you requested:)

[-] 1 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

Angelhugs, thank you i appreciate your opinion. I do agree with most of what you said above. However i do believe this makes more sense:

There are two types of business man. First is an artist (1st), (2nd) is business man...sole goal is to gain as much as possible.

Artist, look at his business as a art work, magical processes that is a part of he/she. Usually these guys are not very good at business, except of some cases. Artist sole goal is not to create jobs but instead to make he/she happy at heart...hence why they are the artist. Some of these artists can become sell out aka business person.

2nd, the business man....soul purpose is to make that buck! (i'm sure we can all agree). Business man will hire more Americans not because he cares about them but because he/she knows thats how you make money...by expanding business, by evolving business models....etc. Then there is also the tax breaks..... Now...at some point business man know he can make more money if lets "others" buy his business...so he takes it to the stock market/New York Stock Exchange...(for example).

So what happens now? At this point business man becomes a slave for the investors because their money is what's keeping his baby/art work/his idea a live....at some point he/she can't afford to buy the investors out so he is forced to cut coast although he has been hiring more Americans and offering great benefits and paid his employees well. So what does he do....he turns to Gov to make rules more friendly...gov shuts him down because this business man is not giving them money....so what is he forced to help....invest in political leaders/donations in order to come up witht he right result...a part of this problem is that the people at power are not the smarts...so that's where the issue begins.....

TOTALLY GOT SIDE TRACKED. sorry...

Any who.....here is teh bottom line...

"Corporations are just shells" people that run them day to day are not really the owners they are partial owners. These people work like dogs to provide for their families everything possible. Majority of them sacrifice their families in order to run these companies because it's complex to run a company that's successful. We as the society cannot blame one person who runs a big company we need those people to make this country better. Everyone makes bad choices....but those CEO's that OWS has an issue with are not solely responsible....before starting blame game one must example what they had done in order to contribute to the complex issue that is at hand.

Otherwise, those who complain without analyzing their fault are not better then a tree growing outside.

[-] 1 points by angelhugs (12) from Durant, OK 2 years ago

Ahh...Also some very good points, and thus we begin to see just how complex the issues really are. But I've never really liked playing the blame game. Never seems to accomplish anything...not really! I mean we obviously need to figure out all of the different things that have contributed to the problems we face today. So we will be able to go back and not only fix those things but to also be sure we never allow this to happen again.

And your right....I can't help but feel like the American people should share in the blame. After all...our founding fathers did try to warn us of this happening. That is why they were so adamant about the 1st and 2nd amendments. (Like somehow they knew we wouldn't heed their warning). Do we really think it was an accident that the freedom of speech (to be able to verbally disagree with govt.) and the right to bear arms were the first two things they included on this document? How many times have you heard in your life time that history repeats itself....? I know I have heard it more times then I can count. Haven't we all at some point came to the realization that the only way to keep this from happening is to educate yourself on what actually happened in the past so we would be able to recognize the signs of it happening again. And thus shouldn't we have placed more importance on teaching our children about their history....? Shouldn't we have been watching our government more closely to be sure they were not allowing themselves to become corrupt by such business men?

I do understand what your saying...the corporations are not the only one's responsible for where we are now. But they are responsible none the less. I'm sure that most of those zombies working on Wall Street are just doing their jobs so they can feed their own children. Ultimately we are the ones who should of demanded our government stay out of the "Money" business long ago....but we failed to do that. But in the peoples defense....Smoke and mirrors are often very affective tricks to use. Who in our country can deny that our government lies? Surely this is common knowledge by now. And so here we are....I think it's real safe to say the majority of the US citizens know there is something not right with this country. The system is flawed and almost no one will deny that fact. I'm sure I don't agree with every single opinion of every single OWS member either, and I also sometimes question why they do this or that. But I do know this! They are the only group of individuals I have found that are working "for the people, by the people" and that's good enough for me. They are taking great risks to be the voice of the people.

OK maybe a bit off topic again....sorry.

I really don't think that OWS is "hating" on the rich alone. Like we've both stated in previous comments. They are a needed group in society. And perhaps at this point it seems they may be the only ones with the real power to change things (without having to see things get violent). But they certainly are a real good group to start with. Keep in mind....government officials are not being ignored. OWS are giving them the attention they deserve as well. In fact there hasn't been one thing I can think of that may be "an issue" with today's society that they haven't voiced concern about. Their biggest hurdle right now is to WAKE UP AMERICA! They need our support and our help to make change a reality. They are trying to remind us that the power belongs to "we the people" and we want it back!

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

Like Charlie Rangle? Jon Corzine?

[-] 0 points by dotsend66 (43) 2 years ago

The whole NYC goverment is criminal, pluss u.s. congress,plus u.s. president. It is time to vote them out come november 2012.Thouse gangsters are killing our country.We have to take our country back, We the people, we are the 99%.

[-] 0 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

Bloomberg is right! He allowed for people to the right to speak up and return people are acting like animals very sad!

[-] 0 points by owsisajoke1 (9) 2 years ago

Bloomberg is right!

[-] 0 points by OurTimes2011 (377) from Arlington, VA 2 years ago

Remember, Bloomberg has no interest in the truth. He is wholly unprepared for this movement, and is trying the old smear tactics that have worked so well for him in the past. Let him. He only proves our point and helps the movement.

Respond quickly and with the facts. Everytime he opens his mouth he only helps us.

We're here. We're pissed. We're staying.

[-] 0 points by MeMyselfandI (85) 2 years ago

LOL! Well trained internal security force. Now THAT is funny. How'd that work out in Oakland?

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[-] 0 points by angelofmercy (225) 2 years ago

Fear Mongering ? I think you guys are doing fine on your own. lol

“Pervert! Pervert! Get the f--k out!” said vigilante Occupiers, who never bothered to call the cops.

“They were shining flashlights in his face and yelling at him to leave,” said a woman who called herself Leslie, but refused to give her real name.

“We don’t tell anyone,” she said. “We handle it internally. I said too much already.”

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_perv_Qd8v3hCAnspzJ7VGC9nJZP#ixzz1ci3cT9mr

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Wrestle With Growing Security Concerns http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/occupy-wall-street-security_n_1069597.html

Now look here , Occupy Wall Street kitchen worker charged with sex abuse and quizzed over 'several rapes' at New York camp

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2057370/Occupy-Wall-Street-kitchen-worker-charged-sex-abuse-suspected-rape-protester.html#ixzz1ci4n1yKS

Occupy Wall Street Assaults http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGFeJ6gmJAE

[-] 1 points by QuietDay (59) 2 years ago

Thank you. There's a difference between people trying to discredit a movement for political reasons and valid criticism. OWS needs to address these internal problems so that victims of crime within the movement are not sacrificed at the altar of 'unity'.

[-] 1 points by llf (144) 2 years ago

Who is "you guys"? You don't know anyone here. But sure sounds like you are more interested in generalizations and spreading propaganda than in any analysis or useful thinking. Who sent you here? Likely just another brainless teabagging Breitfart troll.

[-] 2 points by angelofmercy (225) 2 years ago

lol. Sorry that you don't like what the media , or even what some of your own protesters say. You calling me names still don't change any facts.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Please continue to watch the Entertainment Media while those interested in the facts watch News.

-- I am simply unimportant

[-] -1 points by llf (144) 2 years ago

The point that you fail to see is that the act of individual criminals has nothing to do with a movement--unless the movement systematically promotes such criminals and crime which your same quotes suggest it is not..."vigilante occupiers",...nice neutral language...The Murdoch media is really reliable. I mean, they tap phones in cooperation with the police. Can't beat that for reliability, right?

[-] 0 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

Hey Dickweed,

NY Post = Rupert Murdoch Daily Mail = Successfully sued for libel (2007) Huffington Post = AOL Time Warner (Gave 250,000 for George W. Bush's Inauguration)

These are the sources you site?

[-] 3 points by SocratesPhilosophy (231) 2 years ago

Try to avoid insults and name calling it just makes it harder to validate your point.

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

Even Socrates knew that sometimes you had to mix things up and wear year anger on your sleeve to get people to listen. Or wait, maybe that was Diogenes (that's right, I'm the 99% and I've read a book).

[-] 1 points by SocratesPhilosophy (231) 2 years ago

Diogenes eventually settled in Corinth. There he passed his philosophy of Cynicism to Crates, who taught it to Zeno of Citium, who fashioned it into the school of Stoicism, the Stoics presented their philosophy as a way of life, and they thought that the best indication of an individual's philosophy was not what a person said but how he behaved.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

Why would you use Socrates...? Some people are not intelligent enough to see how stupid they truly are. It appears that you may be so inclined....

The facts differ from what was reported in the entertainment media and if you read and view the entertainment media then you are being entertained. Please don't confuse entertainment with informed of news events. On a side note, you folks that watch the Entertainment Media are pretty Entertaining with your uninformed selves.

-- I am simply unimportant

[-] 1 points by SocratesPhilosophy (231) 2 years ago

I was speaking in a general sense, feel free to review my post throughout different threads to define if I have a media based viewpoint.

I was giving him advice on debating whatever ones view, if you resort to insults any useful information will be lost in anger no matter what your point may be.

And I use Socrates because of a philosophy of "I truly know nothing" all information I can produce comes from another's work in fact almost all information I possess is the direct result of another's work.

See how I did not use insults to rebut yours? Have a good day Sir.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

I too was speaking in a general sense, however, I did say you appear to be so inclined.....

It appears I might be in need of an immediate and total cranial-analectomy.

Pop, now that's better.

Thank you for correcting me.

-- I am simply unimportant

[-] 1 points by Hala (1) 2 years ago

If the source, whatever its kind, bothered reporting a fact, yes they can be cited. Think about this: the US administration gave billions to a mysoginistic Saudi theocracy, but we Lebanese still cite Hillary Clinton when she says the truth about the past US support to Saudi terrorists, "Wahabi brand of terrorists" she calls them.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 2 years ago

More entertainment....

Please note that you are easily distracted from real world issues by the Entertainment Media. The issues here are of course making change in the US so these "Problems" do not continue. You are of course easily distracted by bright and/or shiny objects.

-- I am simply unimportant

[-] 0 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

Bloomberg's a hypocrite--does anyone remember his comment shortly before or around the time OWS began that if the government didn't do something about the economic crisis in jobs, education, etc. there would be rioting in the street by young people? Translation: the problems were caused by the government, not us. That was then.

[-] -1 points by rcalicea (16) 2 years ago

Of course, we're all supposed to believe OWS has been turning in people to the police. Wait, the same police you're protesting or your "internal security" police? If the Tea Party is racist for comments by officials that I have yet to see, then OWS is as much an anarchist movement as any other ideology contrary to our system for the daily rants of your own officials. Your two month old temper tantrum is getting really old. Present and support specific solutions or get a job, pay your bills, go bankrupt if you have to, but stop dragging everyone else into your self-important misery with increasingly disruptive and nonsensical demonstrations that are putting people's businesses in jeopardy along with the livelihood of tens of thousands of people you call "the 99%" and claim to be fighting for. Grow up!