[-]3 points
by RichZubaty
(37)
from Wailuku, HI
13 years ago
Great video. But God what horrible music. Somebody's got to be able to do better than that. Your music matters. And he's complaining about the government? What about Wall Street -- the guys who own the government?
WE CAN NOT ALLOW the corrupt cable news stations (msnbc, fox ect) to manipulate the messege of why we are all here! they have allready started to paint a picture claiming that we are the "leftist tea party". WE ARE NOT!!. EVERY demand on the streets and messege we want to send has ONE thing indefinetly in common. That is political corruption through super pac donars and corporate political financing has become the source of all our problems.
I am not right wing nor leftist. Thoes who belive they are can only be Divisive, no good can come from this. We must unite under the understanding that as a nation we have allowed severe corruption to spread like a virus!
-THE DISMANTALING OF CORPORATE FINANCIAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS and SUPERPAC FUNDING WILL START THE CHANGE WE NEED
[-]2 points
by MiMi1026
(937)
from Springfield, VA
13 years ago
All I can say is YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Its finally happening! Ive been calling for We The People to unite since the Wall street bail out. I smell The Revolution coming and Im On Board!
Sleeping bag problem….
Lowes & Home Depot sell a 6×9 ft canvas cloth for 12.48 and Eastern Mountain Sports has a 10oz bottle of water proofing spray for about the same price… With these 2 items you now have a water proof tarp or covering for your blanket and sleeping bag. It works really good. Otherwise you’ll just be sleeping in a cold wet mess of a sleeping bag…good luck peeps!
The Refugee
Sleeping bag problem….
Lowes & Home Depot sell a 6×9 ft canvas cloth for 12.48 and Eastern Mountain Sports has a 10oz bottle of water proofing spray for about the same price… With these 2 items you now have a water proof tarp or covering for your blanket and sleeping bag. It works really good. Otherwise you’ll just be sleeping in a cold wet mess of a sleeping bag…good luck peeps!
The Refugee
Great video and I feel so proud of this!! but why is the music resemble late 60s early 70s rock (hendrix like guitar playing)? Its 2011 and this is our generation. Please don't make this something that reflects another time period. In addition, I'd hate for viewers to ignorantly stereotype the people directly involved in this movement who currently welcomes people of all genders, race, age, political views, beliefs, religion, careers, etc. I personally don't believe this, but I can already hear the thoughts of people who hear the music in this video saying "Looks like some hippie, liberal movement" and its not! (Nothing wrong with either, I consider myself the latter). No offense to the band either. Please consider a different sound/image that reflects all of the people who feel the grief that we are currently feeling in this country. Love you :)
I HAVE contacted zuckerberg and asked him why he does not employ some of you
waiting for a response.
a big ring of thieves,
i also have people i know that worked for the federal government and they screwed him because he said he wouldnt kill kids
and of course his father worked for one of those fortune five hundred companies
thats how you get to work for all of them
do shit like kill kids
so the evil gay jew blond monkee ring can indulge
Did you notice how old the NYPD force is? Nothing against the elderly but do you think that an old and out of shape force is able to combat crime by chasing a robber down the streets? No wonder they are enable solve any crime they are too busy taking a nap. There is no age limitation or any fiscal exam for these dinosaurs of the NYPD
Be a part of a national 100 member Sainte-Lague parliament seat distribution system today. All names, all parties, independents, voters and non voters are invited.
The old school politics under plurality elections and single winner districts where fighting, conflict, yes/no, black/white, etc., is being improved.
A new school of ranked choice majority and consensus voting, where more alternatives are better and the majority is still 50% plus one vote, is wanting to occupy the old pluralistic institutions that do not use ranked choice voting. They use check the box, click the dot, raise the hand, nod the head, yes/no, punch the hole (sometimes resulting in chads), in other words any voting system other than consecutively ranked numbers beginning with the number one, in muti-member districts of two or more, the more the better.
With sixty full ministries, your name may participate as a Director on the national level, or in one of twelve population balanced super-states; New York, California, Texas, and nine groups of smaller populated states grouped together for population balancing purposes.
With a guaranteed satisfaction level currently at 99% (1/101ths) plus 100 votes, starting 1/1/2012 the 8th USA Parliament Election of 2012 will expand to 1000 members, each elected with .999% (1/1001ths) plus one vote, with a total satisfaction level guaranteed to be 99.9% plus 1000 votes.
Thank you very much for considering the Sainte-Lague parliament seat distribution system.
We look forward to explaining how this can unite all people in the USA and other countries like Libya, etc. to improve their economies through democracy, and to help avoid war and conflict.
[-]1 points
by dshoes
(1)
from Holland, MI
13 years ago
I SO wish I could be there with all of you. But know this; I am with you with full passion! We MUST change this country, and restore the American Dream for all of us!
700 people were kettled and arrested because they disobeyed repeated orders from the cops not to enter the bridge, this rowdy group who broke away from the plan destroyed the march. we need to stop with this entrapment story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LngwTp2xvgY
[-]1 points
by DemocracyFirst
(1)
from Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen
13 years ago
Seeing you on TV and realizing that not only the Tea Party can rally raises the hope that America is not lost to gridlock and regression or has gone insane. Take back your country and restore democracy.
All the best from good old Europe.
I am from Japan. I saw your absolutely right of human good will and fundamental kindness based on just nice money and power concept shall be and should be the most important concept of every human beings. Here in Japan also having big powered a few peoples's not be considerate mind and without kindness power by using money and hierarchy systems in the society. Hierarchy should be used as just system but every body in the hierarchy is the same. by this concept actual next generations nice society by the people for the people will start. We also hope actual nice world will soon began.
I am from Japan. I saw your absolutely right of human good will and fundamental kindness based on just nice money and power concept shall be and should be the most important concept of every human beings.
Switzerland is listen to you...The News in the Switzerland are talking about you. We stay with you, the financial activities world wide are loosing reality. They are playing with our social culture...
OCCUPY WALL STREET PLEASE MARCH ON the BIGGEST CORPORATE IMMIGRATION LAW FIRM in the WORLD.
Fragomen, Bernsen, Del Rey, and Loewy- Has been responsible for countless American jobs to be outsourced and INSOURCED. They consistently find ways to MANIPULATE LABOR LAWS so giant corporations can save money by hiring foreign workers to work in corporate offices in AMERICA.
Hold on to your dollars.
That's what will make them listen.
Don't buy what you don't need.
Deal a painful blow to those who thrive from corporate greed.
I watched this movement gaining momentum each day, i was thinking what about a 99 million march. I the belt way media have been spinning this thing as having no clear consensus. I think they are a part of problem. I encourage every disenfranchised american that year after year slowly see their dreams and aspirations becoming more and more far out of their reach to stand-up and let their voices be heard.
So this what i think, i would like to see 99 million of the 99% join this movement and let your voices be heard.
FINALLY THE RIGHT MESSAGE & demands at OWS! Incredible Speech By Wall Street Protester "End The Fed" 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFz1VVXsWRU Rumor has it that TPTB started & promoted this protest....BUT THOSE who KNOW what America once was & IS INTENDED TO BE by Our Founders WILL END ANY CONTROLLED OPPOSITION!! KILL THE CORPORATEOCRACY ! Before it kills us! RESTORE THE "ORGANIC" US CONSTITUTION! Restore the Republic and FINALLY PUT AN END TO "CENTRAL" BANKS IN AMERICA! US & WORLD PROSPERITY WILL FOLLOW! Check History! EVERY nation which printed its OWN DEBT FREE MONEY! FLOURISHES!
why protest? why not demand obama to press charges against frank dodd and fannie/freddie peeps. why not vote these peeps out of office who let companies own them? besides all of this, the unions own the government, obama and everyone else. you all are protesting the wrong place
why protest? why not demand obama to press charges against frank dodd and fannie/freddie peeps. why not vote these peeps out of office who let companies own them? besides all of this, the unions own the government, obama and everyone else. you all are protesting the wrong place
[-]3 points
by jcm1027
(32)
from Eugene, OR
13 years ago
Indeed, too early for demands and "demands" are things hostage takers make. There's nothing being held hostage here; this is OUR country and these are OUR lives. Don't make the mistake that when naysayers ask, "But what are their demands?", to think that some specific demands would somehow validate the movement, or that not having specific demands invalidates the movement. Again, this isn't a hostage situation, and it's not like if there were a set of "demands" today that there would be a vote tomorrow and the changes would go into effect immediately. The changes will take time and they won't happen all at once.
[-]2 points
by readytogo
(80)
from Brooklyn, NY
13 years ago
Agreed. They are so confused by this- What do they want?? They don't understand the paradigm shift that we are done going through their channels and are joining together on our own. First we must come together. Then we must discuss, learn, grow together into solidarity. We aren't instantly on the same page because we've been so programmed to be separate and divisive. Let's not be influenced by their pressure to come up with some sloppy demands that aren't well thought through, discussed and supported. We've got the floor now, so let them stay confused.
My coworker is saying that Rush Limbaugh read a list of demands off of the OccupyWallStreet site, including the forgiving of all debts. I can't find anything like this. Is there anything here or on some loosely affiliated site that could be the basis of this? As of yet I wasn't aware that any unifying principles/demands had emerged.
Yeah, some moron posted a list of ridiculous demands in the forum which i cannot find anymore. The list was absurd and in my opinion and would do more to push people away from this movement than help it to gain support.
I thought it would turn out to be something like that. Typical. Apparently Limbaugh presented it as if it were an official list of demands. I've tried to show my friend the way these right wing pundits twist things and that they can't be trusted, but its like sweeping with a whisk broom in a dust storm.
[-]1 points
by jcm1027
(32)
from Eugene, OR
13 years ago
Yep. There's definitely some stupid stuff in the forums. Makes me think either people are 1) so angry they don't think straight or 2) trying to make the movement look dumb. As far as 2), what would stop Rush himself from posting exactly that? Nothing really. That's the nature of the internet, and democracy itself!
[-]1 points
by jcm1027
(32)
from Eugene, OR
13 years ago
The unifying principle is, "We are the 99%". Does it really take a rocket scientist to understand? If so, here's a hint: economic/political inequality is what is being protested.
As far as "demands", that's what hostage takers make, and this isn't a hostage situation. Well, it could be said that the corporations/banks are holding America hostage and their demand seems to be "work to make us rich and f-off if you think you're going to get a piece of our pie".
And yeah, "forgive all debts" is not only ignorant/essentially impossible (without abandoning money altogether), it's rather selfish and NOT what this movement is about.
We all understand the slogan. We all understand that wealth disparity in this country hasn't been this bad since before the great depression. What we don't have is any articulated set of goals for the movement. The tea party didn't just have "get rid of liberalism" as a goal. They sloganed "taxed enough already" and it was clear enough to scare all those republican to paint themselvesin a corner by pledging never to raise taxes.
These don't even have to be official positions, they only need to be individual desires expressed with enough clarity by enough people that liberal and progressive politicians feel emboldened to act on the collective message. The collective message hasn't emerged as of yet as much more than "rich people bad" If something clearer than that doesn't emerge then at best the Democratic politicians will just make their own interpretations of the noise and decide how it can best help them.
They can't make up their mind just an endless list of proposals. What he read was just a proposal but that is all there is. However, if you look at their press release declaration, it isn't out of line.
Guys, do You really think that this is "fight" for something ? Do You think it is possible to win a card sharper playing by his rules ?
From videos on this site I get an impression that people were standing, posinig in front of cameras and waiting for being arrested.
Nobody will pay any attention to your demands unless You hamper their corrupt businesses.
We, people of other countries, do support your movement, but we see that You americans even have no idea how to demand something from authorities.
Take lessons from mass protests in other countries.
[-]1 points
by jcm1027
(32)
from Eugene, OR
13 years ago
Also, where is the call or boycotts and strikes? IMO, THAT is what will make the money masters start to think something is serious. Street theater is just that, street theater. Let's start changing the way we live, RIGHT NOW. You don't need government or business leaders to "make change" to be able to quit giving your money to the greedy.
[-]-1 points
by Echwell
(7)
from Rijsbergen, NB
13 years ago
Apparently i am the only one who thinks this move on the bridge was a mistake? I guess yall had it planned, then getting arrested was also planned. then stop fcking whyning. Without any explanation of why you want to block the bridge, to me it is a stupid move. Your marches lack coordination if people didnt know they were getting arrested for this. Or you are purpously engaging with the policeforce and acting all innocent on camera. Thats mediamanipulation. Thats a bad start for the movement that wants to make the world a more honest place. I am dissapointed.
[-]1 points
by Echwell
(7)
from Rijsbergen, NB
13 years ago
i am trying to be objective and worried about how the public views the protest. All i am saying s that it was a choice. Dont judge me, i dont judge you.
[-]-1 points
by GreenIguana
(36)
from New York, NY
13 years ago
I was at the march on the Brooklyn Bridge. Before the arrests started, at least from my end, the police allowed people to leave without being arrested. I and a bunch of other people left and were not arrested, even though we were on the roadway. Those who stayed chose to be arrested; they could have left. Let's be clear with our facts.
[-]2 points
by MiMi1026
(937)
from Springfield, VA
13 years ago
Im proud of the people who sacrifice themselves to be arrested. This is the grandchildren of the 60's demonstrators alieve and well. They got BACKBONE! They are not cowards.
[-]2 points
by RedDread
(57)
from Bethel, CT
13 years ago
This is not true, I was near the front and as the arrests continued I was closer to the front until I was at the front and taken as well. There was nowhere to go from there except into the hands of the police.
Great video. But God what horrible music. Somebody's got to be able to do better than that. Your music matters. And he's complaining about the government? What about Wall Street -- the guys who own the government?
agree - terrible song
Agreed, the tune well cool,. could be more apropos,.
Try; Zombie Bank Death Squad
I agree.
Nice work my fellow arrestee!
music choice, pale face - world full of cops
keep up the amazing work everyone! keep it up! THIS IS HISTORY WE'RE MAKING HISTORY
WE CAN NOT ALLOW the corrupt cable news stations (msnbc, fox ect) to manipulate the messege of why we are all here! they have allready started to paint a picture claiming that we are the "leftist tea party". WE ARE NOT!!. EVERY demand on the streets and messege we want to send has ONE thing indefinetly in common. That is political corruption through super pac donars and corporate political financing has become the source of all our problems. I am not right wing nor leftist. Thoes who belive they are can only be Divisive, no good can come from this. We must unite under the understanding that as a nation we have allowed severe corruption to spread like a virus! -THE DISMANTALING OF CORPORATE FINANCIAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS and SUPERPAC FUNDING WILL START THE CHANGE WE NEED
All I can say is YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Its finally happening! Ive been calling for We The People to unite since the Wall street bail out. I smell The Revolution coming and Im On Board!
Yeah, our turn to have our Arab spring, turning into a good New York fall!
Sleeping bag problem…. Lowes & Home Depot sell a 6×9 ft canvas cloth for 12.48 and Eastern Mountain Sports has a 10oz bottle of water proofing spray for about the same price… With these 2 items you now have a water proof tarp or covering for your blanket and sleeping bag. It works really good. Otherwise you’ll just be sleeping in a cold wet mess of a sleeping bag…good luck peeps! The Refugee
Sleeping bag problem…. Lowes & Home Depot sell a 6×9 ft canvas cloth for 12.48 and Eastern Mountain Sports has a 10oz bottle of water proofing spray for about the same price… With these 2 items you now have a water proof tarp or covering for your blanket and sleeping bag. It works really good. Otherwise you’ll just be sleeping in a cold wet mess of a sleeping bag…good luck peeps! The Refugee
Keep up the good work. Never give up this fight!
http://struggleforfreedom.blogg.no/1317735903_chomsky_explains_libe.html
Great video and I feel so proud of this!! but why is the music resemble late 60s early 70s rock (hendrix like guitar playing)? Its 2011 and this is our generation. Please don't make this something that reflects another time period. In addition, I'd hate for viewers to ignorantly stereotype the people directly involved in this movement who currently welcomes people of all genders, race, age, political views, beliefs, religion, careers, etc. I personally don't believe this, but I can already hear the thoughts of people who hear the music in this video saying "Looks like some hippie, liberal movement" and its not! (Nothing wrong with either, I consider myself the latter). No offense to the band either. Please consider a different sound/image that reflects all of the people who feel the grief that we are currently feeling in this country. Love you :)
Here is an original protest/folk genre song/Youtube video that a lot of older folks can identify with. It's by Will Richardson, a friend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCWv8ooYP2o
I HAVE contacted zuckerberg and asked him why he does not employ some of you waiting for a response. a big ring of thieves, i also have people i know that worked for the federal government and they screwed him because he said he wouldnt kill kids and of course his father worked for one of those fortune five hundred companies thats how you get to work for all of them do shit like kill kids so the evil gay jew blond monkee ring can indulge
I HAVE contacted zuckerberg and asked him why he does not employ some of you waiting for a response. a big ring of thieves,
what is the goal?
Did you notice how old the NYPD force is? Nothing against the elderly but do you think that an old and out of shape force is able to combat crime by chasing a robber down the streets? No wonder they are enable solve any crime they are too busy taking a nap. There is no age limitation or any fiscal exam for these dinosaurs of the NYPD
Support from Serbia (Europe) We start OCCUPY BELGRADE
http://www.aikb.net/t1343-occupy-wall-street-occupy-belgrade
Support from Serbia (Europe) We start OCCUPY BELGRADE
http://www.aikb.net/t1343-occupy-wall-street-occupy-belgrade
...and Justice for all.. Wish U were here, Dr. H.S. Thompson! I support U, The People of USA!
God that's more painful to watch than DSK being arrested.
naga, thank you, hope the best for your people, especially during all your disasters.
naga, thank you, hope the best for your people, especially during all your disasters.
The 8th USA Parliament
http://www.usparliament.org/
Be a part of a national 100 member Sainte-Lague parliament seat distribution system today. All names, all parties, independents, voters and non voters are invited.
The old school politics under plurality elections and single winner districts where fighting, conflict, yes/no, black/white, etc., is being improved.
A new school of ranked choice majority and consensus voting, where more alternatives are better and the majority is still 50% plus one vote, is wanting to occupy the old pluralistic institutions that do not use ranked choice voting. They use check the box, click the dot, raise the hand, nod the head, yes/no, punch the hole (sometimes resulting in chads), in other words any voting system other than consecutively ranked numbers beginning with the number one, in muti-member districts of two or more, the more the better.
With sixty full ministries, your name may participate as a Director on the national level, or in one of twelve population balanced super-states; New York, California, Texas, and nine groups of smaller populated states grouped together for population balancing purposes.
With a guaranteed satisfaction level currently at 99% (1/101ths) plus 100 votes, starting 1/1/2012 the 8th USA Parliament Election of 2012 will expand to 1000 members, each elected with .999% (1/1001ths) plus one vote, with a total satisfaction level guaranteed to be 99.9% plus 1000 votes.
Thank you very much for considering the Sainte-Lague parliament seat distribution system.
We look forward to explaining how this can unite all people in the USA and other countries like Libya, etc. to improve their economies through democracy, and to help avoid war and conflict.
--James Ogle [Free Parliamentary]
GoBarrOOgle 2012
The All Party System (and independents)
I SO wish I could be there with all of you. But know this; I am with you with full passion! We MUST change this country, and restore the American Dream for all of us!
Start it in MI. There are abusive financial types in every state. But thanks for the solidarity.
God bless you guys.........I am with you all the way
700 people were kettled and arrested because they disobeyed repeated orders from the cops not to enter the bridge, this rowdy group who broke away from the plan destroyed the march. we need to stop with this entrapment story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LngwTp2xvgY
来自中国人民14亿的问候。全力支持你们的占领华尔街的行动。全世界无产者联合起来,推翻1%的富人阶级,实现人类大同的美好社会!
Hey, hope this is all good stuff, encouragements and all! 14 what exactly?!
A Message to “WALL STREET” and to all those who love Unequal Weights and Deceitful Scales
http://trumpetingnow.blogspot.com/2011/10/message-to-wall-street-and-to-all-those.html
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Trumpeting-Now/196471413709656
Seeing you on TV and realizing that not only the Tea Party can rally raises the hope that America is not lost to gridlock and regression or has gone insane. Take back your country and restore democracy. All the best from good old Europe.
I am from Japan. I saw your absolutely right of human good will and fundamental kindness based on just nice money and power concept shall be and should be the most important concept of every human beings. Here in Japan also having big powered a few peoples's not be considerate mind and without kindness power by using money and hierarchy systems in the society. Hierarchy should be used as just system but every body in the hierarchy is the same. by this concept actual next generations nice society by the people for the people will start. We also hope actual nice world will soon began.
It's nice to get support from all over the world. It's our turn now! Don't you find the cops really brutal here?
I am from Japan. I saw your absolutely right of human good will and fundamental kindness based on just nice money and power concept shall be and should be the most important concept of every human beings.
Switzerland is listen to you...The News in the Switzerland are talking about you. We stay with you, the financial activities world wide are loosing reality. They are playing with our social culture...
Yay for Mathias in Switzerland!
OCCUPY WALL STREET PLEASE MARCH ON the BIGGEST CORPORATE IMMIGRATION LAW FIRM in the WORLD.
Fragomen, Bernsen, Del Rey, and Loewy- Has been responsible for countless American jobs to be outsourced and INSOURCED. They consistently find ways to MANIPULATE LABOR LAWS so giant corporations can save money by hiring foreign workers to work in corporate offices in AMERICA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrapEizmuyM
Hold on to your dollars. That's what will make them listen. Don't buy what you don't need. Deal a painful blow to those who thrive from corporate greed.
99 million of the 99% march across America
I watched this movement gaining momentum each day, i was thinking what about a 99 million march. I the belt way media have been spinning this thing as having no clear consensus. I think they are a part of problem. I encourage every disenfranchised american that year after year slowly see their dreams and aspirations becoming more and more far out of their reach to stand-up and let their voices be heard.
So this what i think, i would like to see 99 million of the 99% join this movement and let your voices be heard.
FINALLY THE RIGHT MESSAGE & demands at OWS! Incredible Speech By Wall Street Protester "End The Fed" 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFz1VVXsWRU Rumor has it that TPTB started & promoted this protest....BUT THOSE who KNOW what America once was & IS INTENDED TO BE by Our Founders WILL END ANY CONTROLLED OPPOSITION!! KILL THE CORPORATEOCRACY ! Before it kills us! RESTORE THE "ORGANIC" US CONSTITUTION! Restore the Republic and FINALLY PUT AN END TO "CENTRAL" BANKS IN AMERICA! US & WORLD PROSPERITY WILL FOLLOW! Check History! EVERY nation which printed its OWN DEBT FREE MONEY! FLOURISHES!
why protest? why not demand obama to press charges against frank dodd and fannie/freddie peeps. why not vote these peeps out of office who let companies own them? besides all of this, the unions own the government, obama and everyone else. you all are protesting the wrong place
why protest? why not demand obama to press charges against frank dodd and fannie/freddie peeps. why not vote these peeps out of office who let companies own them? besides all of this, the unions own the government, obama and everyone else. you all are protesting the wrong place
Who is singing?
P. S. Demands is a hostile word. Too early for that, anyway. Right now, it's message time and the message is that the System is fucked!!
Indeed, too early for demands and "demands" are things hostage takers make. There's nothing being held hostage here; this is OUR country and these are OUR lives. Don't make the mistake that when naysayers ask, "But what are their demands?", to think that some specific demands would somehow validate the movement, or that not having specific demands invalidates the movement. Again, this isn't a hostage situation, and it's not like if there were a set of "demands" today that there would be a vote tomorrow and the changes would go into effect immediately. The changes will take time and they won't happen all at once.
Agreed. They are so confused by this- What do they want?? They don't understand the paradigm shift that we are done going through their channels and are joining together on our own. First we must come together. Then we must discuss, learn, grow together into solidarity. We aren't instantly on the same page because we've been so programmed to be separate and divisive. Let's not be influenced by their pressure to come up with some sloppy demands that aren't well thought through, discussed and supported. We've got the floor now, so let them stay confused.
My coworker is saying that Rush Limbaugh read a list of demands off of the OccupyWallStreet site, including the forgiving of all debts. I can't find anything like this. Is there anything here or on some loosely affiliated site that could be the basis of this? As of yet I wasn't aware that any unifying principles/demands had emerged.
Yeah, some moron posted a list of ridiculous demands in the forum which i cannot find anymore. The list was absurd and in my opinion and would do more to push people away from this movement than help it to gain support.
I thought it would turn out to be something like that. Typical. Apparently Limbaugh presented it as if it were an official list of demands. I've tried to show my friend the way these right wing pundits twist things and that they can't be trusted, but its like sweeping with a whisk broom in a dust storm.
Yep. There's definitely some stupid stuff in the forums. Makes me think either people are 1) so angry they don't think straight or 2) trying to make the movement look dumb. As far as 2), what would stop Rush himself from posting exactly that? Nothing really. That's the nature of the internet, and democracy itself!
The unifying principle is, "We are the 99%". Does it really take a rocket scientist to understand? If so, here's a hint: economic/political inequality is what is being protested.
As far as "demands", that's what hostage takers make, and this isn't a hostage situation. Well, it could be said that the corporations/banks are holding America hostage and their demand seems to be "work to make us rich and f-off if you think you're going to get a piece of our pie".
And yeah, "forgive all debts" is not only ignorant/essentially impossible (without abandoning money altogether), it's rather selfish and NOT what this movement is about.
We all understand the slogan. We all understand that wealth disparity in this country hasn't been this bad since before the great depression. What we don't have is any articulated set of goals for the movement. The tea party didn't just have "get rid of liberalism" as a goal. They sloganed "taxed enough already" and it was clear enough to scare all those republican to paint themselvesin a corner by pledging never to raise taxes. These don't even have to be official positions, they only need to be individual desires expressed with enough clarity by enough people that liberal and progressive politicians feel emboldened to act on the collective message. The collective message hasn't emerged as of yet as much more than "rich people bad" If something clearer than that doesn't emerge then at best the Democratic politicians will just make their own interpretations of the noise and decide how it can best help them.
agreed
One of the problems that I see is how horribly difficult it is to find the actual living document that shows the current topics being voted on.
This is what I have found http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009 But I can't even tell if its valid.
They can't make up their mind just an endless list of proposals. What he read was just a proposal but that is all there is. However, if you look at their press release declaration, it isn't out of line.
Guys, do You really think that this is "fight" for something ? Do You think it is possible to win a card sharper playing by his rules ? From videos on this site I get an impression that people were standing, posinig in front of cameras and waiting for being arrested. Nobody will pay any attention to your demands unless You hamper their corrupt businesses.
We, people of other countries, do support your movement, but we see that You americans even have no idea how to demand something from authorities. Take lessons from mass protests in other countries.
Also, where is the call or boycotts and strikes? IMO, THAT is what will make the money masters start to think something is serious. Street theater is just that, street theater. Let's start changing the way we live, RIGHT NOW. You don't need government or business leaders to "make change" to be able to quit giving your money to the greedy.
As long as you have an attitude of "We Americans and We Europeans" you won't get too far. We the people.
Americans know how to get what they want, but it hasn't come to that yet. E.g. 1775, 1812, 1863, 1967, 1968, 1992, 1999, 2001...
This is just the beginning.
Yes, the music matters. Recommend: Charles Bradley's “The World is going up in flames” http://youtu.be/MTy7ugrSFz4
Yes, the music matters. Recommend: Charles Bradley's “The World is going up in flames” http://youtu.be/MTy7ugrSFz4
Yes, the music matters. Recommend: Charles Bradley's “The World is going up in flames” http://youtu.be/MTy7ugrSFz4
Yes, the music matters. Recommend: Charles Bradley's “The World is going up in flames” http://youtu.be/MTy7ugrSFz4
Brilliant song, how true!
i'd do it for the lulz
Apparently i am the only one who thinks this move on the bridge was a mistake? I guess yall had it planned, then getting arrested was also planned. then stop fcking whyning. Without any explanation of why you want to block the bridge, to me it is a stupid move. Your marches lack coordination if people didnt know they were getting arrested for this. Or you are purpously engaging with the policeforce and acting all innocent on camera. Thats mediamanipulation. Thats a bad start for the movement that wants to make the world a more honest place. I am dissapointed.
You think 700 people arrested themselves,. and tried to look "all innocent on camera"? Wow, you are deeply indoctrinated,. .
i am trying to be objective and worried about how the public views the protest. All i am saying s that it was a choice. Dont judge me, i dont judge you.
I was at the march on the Brooklyn Bridge. Before the arrests started, at least from my end, the police allowed people to leave without being arrested. I and a bunch of other people left and were not arrested, even though we were on the roadway. Those who stayed chose to be arrested; they could have left. Let's be clear with our facts.
Im proud of the people who sacrifice themselves to be arrested. This is the grandchildren of the 60's demonstrators alieve and well. They got BACKBONE! They are not cowards.
Maybe. But they're probably not into actitainment. They enjoy suffering.
This is not true, I was near the front and as the arrests continued I was closer to the front until I was at the front and taken as well. There was nowhere to go from there except into the hands of the police.
Nah, you're one of the lucky ones. They let about 100 or so people leave from the back and then blocked off the exit again and arrested the rest of us
Splendid video. Wonderful, wonderful music!
Vive l'occupation
wait, some dude is covering his face? What, not proud of what he is doing? Afraid someone will cut off his money? chicken sh!t
perhaps he don't like pepper spray all up in his mouth and nose and stuff,. .
What about the other people, do they like pepper spray?
A little blunt, but yes, we must not be afraid. Fear makes us weak and controllable.