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#OccuParty Benefit Concert: Dangerous Muse & Eva and Her Virgins on Dec 11th

Posted 6 years ago on Dec. 6, 2011, 2:26 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt


On Sunday, December 11th we're throwing a benefit concert featuring Dangerous Muse & Eva and Her Virgins. The event will also feature two floors of art, DJs, and burlesque performances in a 700+ person venue. We invite all to join us in this night of fun & celebration to benefit the Occupy Movement!

*** Please RSVP on the Facebook Event ***

Sunday, December 11th – 7:30 p.m. until 2:00 a.m.

Sullivan Hall (Map)
214 Sullivan St.
New York, NY 10012

Tickets will cost $15 at the door. Proceeds will go directly to supporting the Occupy Movement. Tickets will also be available online shortly.

Click Here for the large poster.



  • Art showing on display by Hulbert Waldroup & Occuprint.org
  • Members of the Occuprint collective will be onsite with silkscreens.



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[-] 12 points by JayWalker (29) from Portland, OR 6 years ago

I come to this website because it's a central hub for the 99% bringing awareness to a broken system. This particular event sounds like it's geared to entertain a narrow specific social group and type of individual. I hope whoever goes has a fantastic time!

I'm more interested in OWS events that appeal to a wider audience and be 100% family friendly. The healthier the image that's portrayed, the better growth we'll see. ;-)

[-] 3 points by pissedoffconstructionworker (602) 6 years ago

Strongly agree Jaywalker. Not interested in hipster band nights. If this movement becomes by, of and for upper middle class art yuppie kids, it's doomed.

[-] 3 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Agree, but it´s just one show, guys. We should let events like this take place once in a while also.

After the show, however, we must continue this fight for a democratic, just, non-hierarchical free society.

Noam Chomsky on how to make change

Noam Chomsky: Alternatives to Capitalism I

Noam Chomsky: Alternatives to Capitalism II

yours s. struggleforfreedom


[-] -2 points by revrevrev (7) 6 years ago

"The Occupy Movement is now spreading thruout the States and all over the world," You are in delusion. Following after NY, the occupations are being thrown out in LA, Phil... Unless Liberty Square is re-liberated, the message to the authorities is clear, i.e., all it takes is a little use of force. Forget about virgins. Get back to work or the revolution is doomed.


[-] 0 points by Endoftheworldisnear122112 (2) 6 years ago

As I shared in recent commentary, the market has been trading in a clear range since early August. The downside support is 1100 and the upside resistance is 1265 (where the 200 day moving average sits). Monday we flirted just above that line for a while before settling in a notch below at 1257 (which is where the year started).

The catalyst for these gains is growing expectations of success in the Eurozone. Many are predicting a "Shock and Awe" barrage of new strategies this week coming into the European Summit on Friday to help contain their debt crisis.

I too think the odds are fairly good of them impressing investors this week leading to a breakout to the upside. However, if they stumble, then we will fall 5%+ in no time at all. Place your trades accordingly.

[-] 3 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 6 years ago

I agree JayWalker. This does seem to be geared toward a certain crowd. Enjoy?

[-] 3 points by ropeknot (359) 6 years ago

Ditto ! Ditto ! Ditto !

[-] 1 points by leandros (12) 6 years ago

I think I know what you're getting at, in terms of an (unstated) exclusionary policy morphing up, but I don't agree w you. This crowd seems to want the chance to steer away from that stereotypic course. People should give this a chance.

Good rock n roll is good rock n roll :-) Or folk n roll...When it's brought off in ways that generate the incredible, magic energy that it's capable of, it can cut across all dividing lines. Those 'upper middle class art kids' might not be exactly what you think they are...might be a surprising batch of different types of people - I think we've all seen that happen.

There are too many bands/scenes (lots) I've seen that have been formed out of backgrounds that emerge from modest origin(s),or gathered from outside of any one set lifestyle. It's the inventiveness that surprises us when it comes unexpectedly, out of the blue, & by raw unknowns & amateurs - that's the stuff that can make RNR tilt the earth on it's axis. (Really: just ask the Axis)

The problems (can) start when the $ gets big, or overemphazised, the exploiters get in there, & everything follows that all-too-deadly sequence of the bands/players original intent, energy, & innovation being co opted away from the things that music can contain that are way, way beyond price.

Let 'em (((rock))) :-)

[-] 0 points by WiseOne (1) 6 years ago

It's not rock. This is the sort of stuff privileged white college kids with green dreadlocks listen to to convince themselves their special.

[-] 3 points by OccuPaco (21) 6 years ago

Alienating each other is doing the work for the elites.

[-] 2 points by sticksnstones666 (9) 6 years ago

I doubt that you have even heard any of the bands that you're trouncing right now, and that's so ignorant and prejudice. You talk of exclusion, yet here you are, badmouthing a group of people that, despite having coloured dreadlocks or being of the art community, are also a part of the same system that you so diligently are trying to change.

As far as Rock And Roll and politics are concerned, more of it! Bands like the MC5 during the 1968 Democratic National Convention protests as well as bands like Rage Against the Machine have played their part in getting a message out to the masses. One of the major complaints thus far about the Occupy movement is that there is a lack of focus. Nothing makes people focus better than loud blaring guitars and someone with a mic.

[-] 2 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 6 years ago

I just love how people think that people in the art community are only privileged white people!!

[-] 3 points by OccuPaco (21) 6 years ago

Alienating each other is doing the work for the elites.

[-] 1 points by Endoftheworldisnear122112 (2) 6 years ago

While most people will cringe at the thought of having a rat for a pet, believe it or not, domestic rats make great pets! They are not aggressive, diseased and dirty animals, but in fact are clean, fun loving, sensitive, very social and affectionate. They genuinely enjoy interacting with people and should be handled daily. Rats are very intelligent and can be taught simple tricks, such as stay and sit and will often learn their name. They can also be litter box trained. Rats will often develop a connection with their owner, wanting daily attention. They will enjoy playing and snuggling with their owners. Rats that are well handled from birth are very friendly towards humans and very rarely bite. Children should be taught not to stick their fingers in the cage if their hand smell like food. Even the most friendly rat may be tempted to take a taste. Rats require time, interaction, and upkeep. Because rats are very social animals they can get bored easily and it is a good idea to have more than one rat. Having two rats is no more work than having only one. Two rats will be entertaining to watch and will take some of the stress off of you in having to entertain them. If you keep more than one rat be sure to either have two males or two females or get your rats spayed and neutered to avoid any unwanted breeding. However if your rat is overly aggressive with other rats you may have to keep it all by itself. When you purchase your rat be sure the place you obtain your rat from keeps males and females separated. Since a rat can get pregnant at the young age of 5 weeks old, you don't want to purchase a pregnant rat and end up with more rats then you planned for! When choosing your rat, choose one that does not appear skittish or does not squeal when picked up. Males tend to be calmer than females.  Males usually enjoy being held for longer amounts of time especially as they get older. Males may start to mark their territory as it matures. Getting your male neutered may help with this. Females tend to be more active than males. Toys and accessories can be provided for your rat such as tubes, hammocks, fruit tree branches, paper towel and toilet paper roles plant pots and anything else that does not have a sharp edge to it can be provided for your rats enjoyment. Keep in mind that they will chew what you give them.

[-] 0 points by maggie78 (0) 6 years ago

totally one hundred per cent agree. have heard tales from my sisters and brothers in sydney that the movement there lacks numbers due to this "unstated exclusionary policy" of both these green dreadlocked types and the types that go home and rip their clothes up and won't talk to you unless you are wearing all black. thing is these types of event, especially marketed in this way, do attract these types of people and therefore by default you make the whole thing less attractive to other types of people (as evidenced by the posts in this thread). i would say forget about the "gigs" and focus on movement

[-] 1 points by amesa (11) 6 years ago

well, it's a benefit concert. it's not a political action, and it's not supposed to be. it's simply one way of getting support for the movement that some people planned, it's not something that the entire movement planned and is dedicating resources to. part of appealing to a wider audience is having a lot of variety in events. different individuals and groups come up with their ideas and carry them out, and this site covers a variety of events from various groups.

[-] 1 points by OkupieAll (29) 6 years ago

Yes this is a good idea. We should work to get more donated coats tho. Winter is only 2 weeks away.

[-] 1 points by Thisisthetime (200) from Kahlotus, WA 6 years ago

"Jesus said, He Who does Not Dance does Not Know What Goes On, and if Jesus did Not Say That, He Should Have." -Tom Robbins

[-] 1 points by vekleft (8) from New York, NY 6 years ago

I'm interested in OWS events that appeal to ANYONE. Let's not be exclusionary because some fringe artists want to support the movement. That's a beautiful thing!

What's truly disappointing is that none of the "100% family friendly" have any shows lined up. Put one together! We should be seeing benefits happening all the time, and have them geared to the wide array of people that make up the 99%. If we were seeing benefits happening every week, nobody would single out one "hipster" show.

So the problem isn't with those taking action (like this benefit), but with those not taking action.

Let's not drag down every artist who wants to help the movement because we believe they're too weird or hip. Doing so will have a chilling effect on those who think of helping us.

[-] 1 points by revrevrev (7) 6 years ago

You guys should seriously re-consider holding this concert. You are providing ammo for your enemies to blow you up. Imagine the contrasting images of the commotion of an eviction on one side and you guys peacefully enjoying a concert on the other.

Have you guys thought of staging a play to depict how the system creates injustices for ordinary people? This play should be a regular feature of every occupation and be an icon of the movement.

[-] 3 points by sticksnstones666 (9) 6 years ago

So get to writing it! :) Do your part. These bands are doing their part the best way they know how....through music. They're not playwrights. They're musicians. If you have an idea, put it forth and see it to completion!

[-] 2 points by grimwomyn (35) from New York, NY 6 years ago

You should put up a play! I would come to that! #occupytheater!



[-] 6 points by rustywilson (7) 6 years ago

My, my, my, quite a few uptight people here for what is a BENEFIT concert. Maybe they should ask Fox and the RNC for advice on how to project "healthier" images and have "family friendly" events. OWS is still in the growing and recruitment stage but some here are already calling for the exclusion of yuppies, hippies, burlesque and any entertainment except plays? Guess the OWS drummers have got to go too.

By the way this is a concert featuring some of the best of the NY Underground but isn't it nice that there is also an art show and onsite members of the Occuprint collective that no one yet has criticized. As for me I know it will be both a great concert and art exhibit, and another way I can support OWS.

I would also point out that the 99% is made up of many a "narrow specific social group and type of individual."

[-] 4 points by sticksnstones666 (9) 6 years ago

I totally agree! This is a movement that includes the 99%, yet there are people here who are blatantly segregating themselves from a "narrow specific group and type of individual". This is a movement that involves THE WHOLE 99%, and not not just you and whoever you feel is LIKE you. Very close-minded. The people who are bringing others down on this page for doing their part should reconsider what they say before they put it out there for all to see. This is about people uniting any way they can. Hell, what constitutes a "family-friendly" event, anyway? This concert is being held in a concert hall, not some warehouse in the middle of nowhere. There will be artists, musicians, and culturally aware people there. If you want to make it family friendly, then just bring your family and make some friends! Contact Sullivan Hall about bringing your kids. Stir that fire in yourselves and your loved ones.

[-] 4 points by Peterpiper (6) from Great Neck, NY 6 years ago

The great social/political movements of my life have always merged with pop culture, art, and fashion. I see no difference here and I think that if our OWS movement lasts, this has to happen. I think it's great and I'm glad to see this event happening--hope it's a huge success and hope to be there.

[-] 3 points by WAKEUP1 (11) 6 years ago

Some people don't Get it. This is another way to get people involved. The Money Raised is Going to OWS so they can continue to move forward . It is Very simple don't complicate it. People here are donating their time and effort. This is called evolving and adapting. The message is the same.

[-] 2 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 6 years ago

Those who are opposed are narrow minded. It's sickening to say the least.

[-] 2 points by OccuPaco (21) 6 years ago

Alienating each other is doing the work for the elites.

[-] 3 points by zootsuit (34) 6 years ago

PEOPLE! PEOPLE! it's just one night, occupywallst.org is doing this so they can pay their web server and operations bills in order for the website can remain open for all you aholes to continue trolling in it.

[-] 3 points by WAKEUP1 (11) 6 years ago

@ The people who are calling this capitalism. You are Missing the entire point of this. Don not be a Hater Be a Creator. Did you Contribute to capitalism when you purchased your computer? Are you a capitalist because you own a cellphone and pay the bill?. Don't Be a hypocrite. You Use your Phone to communicate right? You have to pay the bill right? You are on your Computer that you purchased from a major corporation. Guess what the artists are performing for free and donating their time for free. the movement is donating their time and energy So the message can get out. It is communication. Did you not Read that all of the tickets sales are going to OWS? So they can continue fund and "communicate Their message. This is called getting organized. They have just added an outlet to raise funds and another channel to get the message out. This is what leadership is about. Good for them. Music is a way to get the message out history has shown us that. Recognize adapt be creative . I am sure this is the first concert. What are YOU doing to contribute and how are YOU actually raising funds to keep this movement going. If you are not doing something positive to help just being negative and criticizing then you should WAKEUP ....or do something positive if you had a better idea you would be doing it but you are not....This is a great Idea and Yes It will take more than 1 but be patient this movemet is months old They are evolving that is the point.

[-] 2 points by bonairk (2) 6 years ago

I'm very proud of you all....young and old! Keep it Going.

[-] 2 points by shifty2 (117) 6 years ago

Raising more money? Get the money out of politics? Burlesque?

[-] 2 points by revrevrev (7) 6 years ago

So Occupy Wall Street has gone artistic. When are you guys going to liberate Liberty Square? When are you guys going to occupy Wall Street?

[-] 2 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 6 years ago

We're working on that too :) Don't forget we did come pretty close to shutting down Wall Street on #N17. We also took down a bunch of barricades in the square until some people decided to have a another goddamn march apropos of nothing and everyone in the square left to follow like sheep :\


[-] 2 points by jorobin (3) 6 years ago

Technically, Burlesques WAS in fact the "racier" of the two styles of theater in the US, whereas Vaudeville was the "family-friendly" version. This is well documented in most Histories of American theatre. I will say on the other hand that this does seem to exclude members of the 99% who can't afford to participate in leisure activities at this expense. I'm concerned that the unemployed and single parent households have no access to an even like this.

[-] 3 points by grimwomyn (35) from New York, NY 6 years ago

I am a single parent and I am helping to create the event, I would love for someone to step forward to wrangle childcare for whomever would like to attend.

[-] 3 points by demonique1 (3) 6 years ago

I'd help out with childcare. I'm a former single mom - my kid is grown up and on her own now.

[-] 2 points by grimwomyn (35) from New York, NY 6 years ago

awesome! perhaps you could reach out to parents of occupy wall street and propose the wrangling! http://www.parentsforoccupywallst.com/

[-] 3 points by jorobin (3) 6 years ago

When my band tours, we have a sliding scale entrance fee, and we turn no one away on account of funds. This seems like a better idea.

[-] 0 points by nonion (4) 6 years ago

Your band sounds pretty lame.

[-] 2 points by Edgewaters (912) 6 years ago

Not as lame as your juvenile smarm.


[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 6 years ago

The band is lame, in your opinion, because it has a sliding scale entrance fee??? Really??? Wow.... you are the lame one.

[-] 2 points by owsthentic (81) 6 years ago

Cool! I like the idea. I hope the band is decent and the event is fun and kind of educatinal to advance OWS ideas. Free concert? Remember, any movement is NOT free, freedom is NOT free, Democracy is NOT fee. Let's go back to study our histories closely. Wherever and whenever there are sturggles, the work is NOT free. It takes a village, people's effort, courage, time, energy, ideas, strategies and of course lots of $$$$. People take their time off from work to get on the streets to protest, the time is NOT FREE.

[-] 3 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Only in a free society can we organize it so that most services can be free (when you want/need them).

Noam Chomsky: Alternatives to Capitalism I

Noam Chomsky: Alternatives to Capitalism II


[-] 2 points by ediblescape (235) 6 years ago

Free society has more than 200,000 year history. There is only 5000 year with money in our society.

[-] 1 points by Uspatriot5000 (128) 6 years ago

How can you prove this? The oldest know currency to exist is a Sumerian bronze piece that is older than 3000BC. That puts currency older than 5000 years. Even going back to societies that did not have a currency, there was always a chief, leader, king, etc that was better off or treated better than the rest of the "tribe". Therefore, your claim is unsupported.

[-] 1 points by ediblescape (235) 6 years ago

there was no chief, leader, king, etc tha http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text

[-] 1 points by Uspatriot5000 (128) 6 years ago

You are referencing an article where they speak of a sight that is still being excavated. True the article doesn't say they had a leader, nor does it say they did not.


[-] 1 points by OWSMusic (57) 6 years ago

A song for the banksters on Wall Street... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FM3KR9dEOk We can play at the concert if you like...

[-] 1 points by AnnaRTaylor (1) from Roanoke, VA 6 years ago

I grew up with Emily (childhood best friend-reunited at #occupywallstreet after 17 years) from Eva & Her Virginis! I am so honored and proud of her that she is whole heartily using her music to help this revolution. I love you Emily Always! Her music ROCKS!

[-] 1 points by billbux (35) 6 years ago

Hot Nuuz - Occupy San Francisco dismantled - http://www.nuuzit.com/newsitem/eqsXHSEkC4g

[-] 1 points by PatrickOxOethafulm (35) 6 years ago

This is positive. The title "shoot the freak" is harsh with it's sarcasm though. Eva and her virgins sounds nice. i love purity. The guys we stand against are very far from virgins

[-] 1 points by Mark01 (82) 6 years ago

is their some flyers that i can pass out to promote this??

[-] 1 points by itsme2 (45) 6 years ago

I'm trying to get the funds to come to NYC 12/10. Could someone buy me a ticket to this or get me in free - I LOVE DM. Pls reply here.

[-] 1 points by KeergeeZ (4) 6 years ago

Nice idea. Attract as more attention as possible. We in Ukraine follow your actions with a big attention. Abolish money!

[-] 1 points by abcddd (1) from 纽约, NY 6 years ago

Winter is coming ,I'm afraid

[-] 1 points by PeacefulViolence (1) 6 years ago

WoW. So occupy are terrorists now. I guess the time for peaceful violence has come. See y'all in a next life.

[-] 1 points by DaDougE (1) from Sinking Spring, PA 6 years ago

Pro: This stratagy saved the Muppets and Mickey Rooney coutntles times! Con: Disney may want to buy your name and image.


[-] 2 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 6 years ago

It's a fundraiser.

[-] 0 points by Bambi (359) 6 years ago

You still have to have upfront money for a variety of things...down payments,food, flyers, electricity, heat, rent of the building, security. Where is that money coming from?

[-] 1 points by yoss33 (269) 6 years ago

If your going to do a concert, i say do it up right. Have a room for hip hop, electronic, and some rock, or rotate artists and sets over an evening or day. And if possible some bigger names if possible, not that im knocking these guys, ive honestly never heard them, but i do remember another OWS concert not too long ago with them already, maybe change it up a bit as well?

Just my 2 cents. And i do kinda agree with JayWalker and others, though on the other hand i do think some fun and letting loose and creative expression and concerts, parties are good every once in awhile, and have there place in the Occupy movement.

[-] 1 points by bori214 (1) from Brooklyn, NY 6 years ago

In my opinion, if you want to take away power of people with money, you don't necessarily have to get rid of money, you have to get rid of its superficial value. Having fundraisers and accepting donations still feeds the system we want gone. We should be boycotting money all together and using connections and resources to build a network where money is no longer needed. The occupation tried to do that before it was raided. We should all be practicing what we preach.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 6 years ago

Money is superficial, so how do you get rid of its superficial value while allowing it to continue to exist?

[-] 1 points by Uspatriot5000 (128) 6 years ago

Yeah, basic human greed makes that impossible. There will always be people who either feel they are better than others, or try to make out better. That is a nice thought, but all through history, even in agrarian societies, there have always been those who were "richer" in one way or another.

[-] 1 points by SuzannahTroy (31) 6 years ago

http://suzannahbtroy.blogspot.com/2011/11/mayor-bloombeg-rudin-family-hospital.html More on the media cover-ups for Bloomberg -- massive scandals -- largest white collar crimes ever NYC gov to the media not pursuing and exposing names of NYC gov officials who got their tickets fixed, favors...get into NYT, NY Post, NYDN media’s refusal to cover OWS Health care joining us to demand a hospital W. Village and NY1 camera man/news assistant fired for covering our protest outside Rudin sales offices.

[-] 1 points by tsdevi (307) 6 years ago

It seems clear that the major reasons for not picking leaders in the resistance movement is to keep the movement from being co-opted and therefor corrupted by the status quo, as well as to lend credence to a grassroots based democracy. The thing is that people do not want to emulate the Occupation of Wall Street. People want access to a reasonably comfortable and healthful lifestyle. Instead of the OWS movement offering plans for the federal government, why not occupy places that are well outside the limited neo-liberal-conservative (depending on which party is dominating the pulpit)? It is not enough to congregate. The U.S. government doesn't know how to handle the jobs crisis, so it is time for this issue to be addressed at the grassroots level. I'll offer one obvious hint: laptops will not be the solution to creating sustainable communities and extending work and the fruits of labor and neither will condescending people who are not as affluent as you are. Laptops and coffee based economies are what have helped to promote artificial inequality and unsustainable food systems.





[-] 1 points by shifty2 (117) 6 years ago

Just thinking about the event, I think it is a good idea except the burlesque show, Don't you think it may be ofencive to some of the Ladies in the movement and in the general public. My opinion is the movement has more than enough bad publicity and this just might be consieved as A bad move by the news media, Honestly it seems this was put together by all male members in the group with little or no consideration to the Ladies. Maby I'm just a prude . I love burlesque in the right environment. I support the protest only want to see great thing's from this, We need a million or more to protest to take back this Country. Peace And Good Will To All

[-] 7 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 6 years ago

This whole event is being organized mostly by women, and we're feminists too :)

[-] 0 points by bohratom (22) 6 years ago

So let me understand this, you believe feminists support burlesque and women selling their bodies for money?

I have a bridge to sell u if thats your view of "feminism". I think Susan B Anthony just turned over in her grave.

[-] 4 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Burlesque (in and of itself) is just satirical performance art. No one is selling their bodies at this event... sheesh

And since you brought it up, I also don't think there's anything wrong with sex work either. It's just a job like any other. It only becomes exploitative of women when hierarchies are introduced like pimps, sex traffickers, economic desperation, social dynamics that reinforce patriarchy, etc. To be honest I think the only reason such work is oftentimes made illegal or ridiculed by society is because it gives women power over men.

[-] 2 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Hear, hear!

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 6 years ago

lol, or is it here, here?

I guess both work.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Hi. Being from Norway I´m no English expert obviously, but I´m pretty sure the correct one is the one I used :)

Feel free to check out my blog

and make sure you watch a "must see": Chomsky at Occupy Boston: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZbNT62aprM

yours s. struggleforfreedom

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 6 years ago

lol, maybe it's hear here, or here hear.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

According to Wikipedia I used the correct one :)


yours s. struggleforfreedom

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 6 years ago

you say tomato, I say tomatoe.

here here works just as well because it implies, here here, as in, I'm here and I agree.

[-] 0 points by GreenIguana (36) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Sex work dehumanizes and degrades both the worker and the customer. That's why both prostitutes and their customers are frequently on drugs; otherwise they would not be able to tolerate the dehumanization.

[-] -1 points by bohratom (22) 6 years ago

No, you really have no clue what feminism is about by tossing that term around. Google it, read it, alot of it stems from brothels in the late 19th and early 20th century. You basically have just implied that brothels are a-ok long as no pimps are involved and that is so anti-feminist its not funny. STOP TOSSING that term around less you know what it means and who died for it.

[-] -1 points by equality7 (8) 6 years ago

Wake up, there is no substantive nor tangible power in raising ''Boners''. If you really believe in sexist garbage then guide your daughters accordingly.

[-] 1 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 6 years ago

What you just said is incredibly degrading to female performance artists. It's you who's being sexist.

[-] 3 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 6 years ago

"Burlesque" is an idiom of variety show, not necessarily a strip show. Comedians, magicians, trapeze artists, jugglers, etc, are all a part of Burlesque, also known as Vaudeville. Milton Berle and the Marx Brothers started out there, to name just a couple. Maybe you should find out specifically what kinds of acts are featured before you jump to conclusions. You might be correct, but then again you might not.

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 6 years ago

I think bullshit pearl clutching from bourgeois feminism is harmful to poor women who are put in this situation. I'm favorable to revolutionary feminism: sex work is work, it also means it's wage slavery. Singling out sex work is moralistic crap and in the end merely makes poor people's surviving strategies illegal. That's what this feminist here has to say. I'll say some of the most active feminist activists I've known were sex workers.

[-] 1 points by shifty2 (117) 6 years ago

Let's see what the repercussions are after the event, Maby I am being a prude, I hope I am wrong. Maby it doesn't matter anyways ,It seems the movement is straying from the initial purpose of rebuilding America, Not protesting in solidarity with another country, Before we have made America The great country that it used to be, This will be a long road to hoe, And will take all our efforts and concentration. America Comes First

[-] 5 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 6 years ago

You can't "rebuild America" without getting people involved and having fun. What we've been doing at Liberty Square doesn't appeal to everyone and not everyone has the privilege of dropping what they're doing to go live in a park (like for instance people with families). We need many other ways of reaching out to New Yorkers to give more people a chance to participate in the movement. This event could be a good start.

[-] 4 points by shifty2 (117) 6 years ago

I respect what you have accomplished, It is a great start, You have changed the way people think and there have been many articles about corporate greed and political ineffectiveness since the start of OWS . Just remember you are the front and people are watching, Do your selves proud. Nice job on Thanksgiving keep up the cause.

[-] 3 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Just trying our best to help jumpstart the revolution :) Thanks so much for your support, it really helps to keep us going

[-] 2 points by OccupyNews (1220) 6 years ago

I would suggest that not anyone event is a make or break for the occupy movement, it's a starting point.

Those who go to the event can leave feeling a myriad of emotions and can use those emotions to further the movement how they see fit, including having another event that they think will be better than the first.

Somebody has to start, then it's up to others to join in and build upon that.

[-] 1 points by equality7 (8) 6 years ago

I agree it is offensive to Men and Women. Although the intentions may be sincere, the plan is Not a well developed. Haven't we evolved in 2011 from subjugating Women in this matter? Fair minded OWS should not be attached to sexist flesh peddling. Perhaps, some other type of relevant, socially conscious entertainment? There are more appropriate places to view burlesque, not within OWS movement. PEACE



[-] 0 points by Teamster (102) 6 years ago

I wish this website gave more support to the big celebrities that also give money and visit OWS. Also the national defense authorization act got no front page on this website but this concert is all over the page.

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[-] 0 points by Bambi (359) 6 years ago

For the THIRD time........why do you keep deleting my post asking who is paying for this????? Donations aren't meant for this kind of thing. It's meant for food and clothing and necessary items for OWS.

[-] 2 points by WAKEUP1 (11) 6 years ago

People are donating their time and talent. What is hard to understand about that?. There are many creative ways to raise awareness. All of the money goes to OWS. What they do with it is their choice and so far they have been doing positive things. Like this website for instance or the occupy wall st Journal or feeding people or tents or sleeping bags. Just because you dont understand does not mean you are right. This is another way to keep things going people will be giving their money to this cause so it may continue. Music was a big part of the sixties and it will help reach a broader audience. I am sure people who are coming to see these bands are now connected to the occupy site or on the facebook pageas result of this event. This is called evolving and adapting and creating. This is called getting organized to meet the challenges that will be ahead in keeping this movement going. Dont be a hater be a creator especially if you are sitting home eating potato chips criticizing. What are YOU doing to help?

[-] 1 points by Bambi (359) 6 years ago

I am a child of the 60s. Yes music was a big part of it....but they got paid for what they did....upfront. That music attracted hippies, such as myself, who just got together to get high and other things.

FYI I don't sit home and eat potato chips, You are being judgemental. I am trying to figure you people out so I can decide whether it's worth me getting involved. So far I see this to be a "happening" for 18-21 yr olds. There are a few older ones but not that many. At 58 yrs old I can already see where this is all heading. Been there done that............40 years ago.

[-] 1 points by amesa (11) 6 years ago

a few people individually paid for this up front themselves, and a lot of the folks involved are volunteering their time and their talent for the benefit.

[-] 1 points by Bambi (359) 6 years ago

That's good then. Maybe they should post this on the poster. It is a common question that most people are asking.

[-] 0 points by Bambi (359) 6 years ago

Why did my comment get deleted? Asking who is paying for it is a legit question. Is it coming out of money donated to OWS for food and clothing? Deleting my comment only shows you have something to hide.

[-] 2 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 6 years ago

Oh, please. Quit trolling.

[-] 0 points by Bambi (359) 6 years ago

I'm not a freakin troll. Grow up. My comments were getting deleted. STFU

Being you are from Ann Arbor I can guess you are a permanent student who will never work.

How's that for being judgemental?

[-] 3 points by WAKEUP1 (11) 6 years ago

You are acting like a weirdo Bambi. You are making no sense or point. Thats why your comments are getting deleted no one is interested in your negativity. People here are trying to do something positive that is helping people that cant help themselves or have not had a voice. These people are VOLUNTEERING their Time and effort. What are you doing to make a difference? Nothing .So let people attempt to do positive things. You are being a hater but meanwhile you are doing nothing productive to help.If you have your own ideas that you think are better.Why dont you just go apply them? instead of bashing people who are working while you are trolling the web looking for opportunity's to be negative.You just seem like a scorned person with a negative outlook. Be positive your giving off bad energy

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 6 years ago

You've made several comments on this site that tell me you're a troll. If you don't want to be labeled as such, then quit making statements that make you sound as though you are.

And FYI, I went to Wayne State University, not Univ. of Michigan, I'm 40 years old and have been working in my career field for 15+ years. I support myself 100%, my car is paid for, I am buying a house, my student loans are paid off, and I travel around the world. I have no debt, except for paying for my house. I do all of this on a middle class income.

Your ignorant comment about people in Ann Arbor being students their whole lives and never working is one of the most asinine comments I've read..... and that is exactly why you sound like a troll.

[-] 0 points by rebel9999 (24) 6 years ago

America is in the mist of an economic war, a revolution. A war is won by achieving victory in one battle at a time. A country is changed for the better by creating laws that make things better for all. The masses are moved to change when they are shown where they are is not where they should be and showned where they should be. The masses need leading by leaders who will show them the the correct way to go. Music groups can play an important role in this revolution for a better America. If we can get ALL music groups to educate their guest to the politcal problems that we face and get them to register to vote and then vote then the musicians would be doing a good service for the revolution. Read my web page at www.mybetteramericaplan.com to see the many ways that the Republicans have ruined America in the last 30 years and why it is very important that we vote the Republicans out of political office. Pass on this information to as many people as you can in any way that you can.

[-] 0 points by ObamaIsrael (0) 6 years ago

So who gets the money from this and where do you put it since you're all against banks?

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 6 years ago

Um..... credit unions are a great alternative.... since they are owned only by their members (those who open accounts there).

[-] 1 points by ObamaIsrael (0) 6 years ago

yes i am in a credit union but also people threw bricks at windows in a credit union in Portland i don't understand that. How is that solving anything? Occupy has some ok ideas but i can't see it turning into a revolution.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 6 years ago

The problem is that a lot of people are ignorant and are too lazy to find out the facts. If they knew that CUs are owned solely by their members, then they wouldn't do that. And I'd bet that those who threw rocks through the windows of the CUs aren't a part of OWS or any other Occupy.

The revolution that OWS and other Occupies need to be are a revolution to change the laws that favor the elite and elite government officials. It need not be a bloody, violent revolution, and I haven't seen any evidence of OWS or any other Occupy supporting or promoting that. A few thugs who choose to do stupid things doesn't equate to a movement of such.

"A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time. Aristotle described two types of political revolution:

• Complete change from one constitution to another • Modification of an existing constitution.[1]"

[-] 0 points by riethc (1149) 6 years ago

How does a night of nihilistic music move OWS forward?

[-] 0 points by rebel9999 (24) 6 years ago

Urgent message to ALL revolutionist. In order to win this revolution we HAVE TO get out of power in our government the politicians that are aiding the rich in their finacial abuse of us. That is the Republicans. We HAVE TO go to every concert to register as many voters as we can and educate them to vote out the Republicans. We have to go to every school and do the same. Then we must go to every young people gathering and register every voter we can. This revolution is a WAR between the rich and the poor. We MUST WIN this war if we are to survive! Get the masses to understand this fact. We HAVE TO turn this Wall Street protest into a successful campaign to get what we want and need. Read my web page at www.mybetteramericaplan.com to see why the Republicans are our enemy and have been destroying America for the last 30 years.

[-] 1 points by Uspatriot5000 (128) 6 years ago

Do you realize that the 7 of the 10 richest people in Congress are actually Democrats? One of the wealthiest being Nancy Pelosi. She and others, including some Republicans use basically insider trading to make huge sums of money. Things that get normal people arrested, things that even Martha Steward went to prison for, Congress has made themselves immune to. You keep pointing fingers at the Republicans, but the Democrats I believe are even guiltier than the Republicans.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 6 years ago

I guess what I am trying to say is there is an enormous potential for this movement to grow considering all the people out there who are suffering, and feeling anxiety about the future. There are still many people out "there" that don"t understand what OWS is about though, and frankly despite being involved with OWS for a little over a month, I am beginning to wonder myself. The movement seems to be drifting into a bunch of little agendas some of which I support and some that I don"t. It is only after we get rid of the plutocracy that our democracy has turned into that we will once again have a chance to have a representative democracy and people's voices will be heard and then will have a chance to advance the specific agendas that are most dear to them. And make no mistake about it, that will be a huge task considering all the people that benefit from the corrupt status quo. My point is that we will not be able to get there unless we can attract the millions of people who are worried about or who have already lost their retirement accounts, tuition money, homes, etc. Our movement has to focus more on the goal cleaning up the sewer that our political/financial systems have become. We should start that by having an education program that reaches out to middle America explaining the role that the big banks, our politicians, and corporate America have played and continue to play in the corrupt crony captalism that we now live in, and how this has affected all of us in some way or another. We should FOCUS on that, because only then will we have the numbers that we need to demand change. Call me when you're ready!





[-] 0 points by revrevrev (7) 6 years ago

Instead of you guys occupying Wall St, now Liberty Sq is being occupied by the police. And you guys are going to enjoy yourselves in a theatre. What a revolution!

[-] 3 points by vekleft (8) from New York, NY 6 years ago

This is not an "official" OWS/NYCGA event, it's some artists getting together to do a benefit. What's great about it is not only the money it can raise, but the fact that it can help influence the people who do go into exploring the movement more deeply. I don't know of any Occupiers going, because they know that's not the point.

[-] 2 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

What happens on Liberty sq is not what the Occupy Movement is about. Of course, Liberty sq is an important place in the history of the Occupy Movement, and one should try to reoccupy it, but The Occupy Movement is now spreading thruout the States and all over the world, in fact. This is a global uprising.

After all the Occupy Movement has accomplished so far during only 2 months, I think enjoying a concert/show is well deserved.

Noam Chomsky at Occupy Boston: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZbNT62aprM

yours struggleforfreedom


[-] 0 points by oobladee86 (0) 6 years ago

It's gonna take a lot of concerts, and other events, to fund this movement. Stadium shows. Text your donations. Whatever will bring people into the movement is a good thing so long as it is done well, and with empathy and compassion for others. The struggle has just begun. It's going to be a bumpy ride, so have some fun too!



[-] 0 points by OccupyNews (1220) 6 years ago

I would suggest out of respect to the human microphone concept than rather than bombard everyone with really big and really loud audio speakers, that many many many small speakers be spread out instead.

The result is a more pleasant sounding, less loud sound that I think would respect the meaning of the Occupy movement and the human microphone concept.

Once the band starts playing really loud and drowning everything else out, it becomes business as usual in how the masses are controlled by the elite.

[-] 1 points by nonion (4) 6 years ago

Where the fuck are you going to get all of those speakers?

[-] 0 points by OccupyNews (1220) 6 years ago

I don't know the space. But a cadre of small speakers is a more complicated way to do it because each speaker has to be mounted and the wires have to be hidden so no one trips.

However, it can be a much cooler environment if done properly. The concept of huge loud speakers up front is somewhat old school in my opinion.

[-] 0 points by OccupyNews (1220) 6 years ago

I would also do some other stuff as well. The band stops between songs for 3 to 5 minutes. Hopefully the music is impactful in a way that allows for small talk for a few minutes.

Ambient light should be enough so people can converse between songs. Change the rock music is loud, everybody cheers and gets mindlessly high paradigm that the rich elite love because it turns the people into chattel.

[-] 0 points by grimwomyn (35) from New York, NY 6 years ago

There is a lower level to the space that will be quieter and will have artwork and space to converse, all night, with the added bonus of burlesque performers :)

[-] 0 points by OccupyNews (1220) 6 years ago

You had me until you got to the burlesque performers. Does that mean additional amplified sound and music?

[-] 1 points by grimwomyn (35) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Music with amplification, it is a nightclub. This is only one of what should be hundreds and thousands of benefits to support actions and efforts.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 6 years ago

I'm not against the idea at all, I'm just suggesting trying to incorporate the spirit of Occupy into the entire night. The spirit of Occupy in my opinion is to not blast the sounds so loud that people are sort of forced into being nothing but cutouts that cheer when the song is done, then immediately get hammered with the next song.

I understand it might be "fun" to get wasted after all that the occupiers have been through, so I'm not suggesting my way is necessarily right, just that it would be great if at some point new paradigms emerge out of what has gone before in the area of music and entertainment in combination with socializing and social consciousness.

I stopped going to loud events when I realized that I would literally have to yell at the top of my lungs to have the person next to me hear me say anything. I found it ironic that if the music stopped and I yelled that loudly, they would probably slug me, but because the music was already so loud, it kind of just canceled my yelling out as well.

Of course when the music is playing, listening is the order of the moment, but to not even be able to say anything in a normal voice and be heard is not really natural, nor good for the ears.

[-] 1 points by vekleft (8) from New York, NY 6 years ago

I'm active in OWS and i love loud music! Seeing live bands is an experience i've loved since i was a teenager and i'm not planning to stop even though conventional society says it's something for the young.

I do totally understand being in a club and not being able to say anything, even when screaming, while the techno thumps away. I stopped going to those clubs because they did nothing for me anymore, but not all clubs are like that (thankfully).

[-] 1 points by grimwomyn (35) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Actually-- there are two levels to the space, one for the bands, and one for the artists and printmakers who will be there. It will be quieter and easier to manage soundwise.

[-] 0 points by H23F (1) 6 years ago

Occupy is throwing a bash? Occupy has been compromised. (Dollars entry or no dollars entry)

[-] 3 points by vekleft (8) from New York, NY 6 years ago

This is NOT Occupy throwing a bash, it's a benefit put on by local artists. Are we so elitist now that we decide who can join the movement? I'm looking forward to the fans of these bands being inspired to find out more and show up at a direct action.


[-] -1 points by skeptical (14) 6 years ago

this is getting so sad

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 6 years ago

Call me when you regain your focus, cleaning up the plutocracy that we now live in. Another wasted weekend when so many would have been able to take part in a demonstration toward that purpose.

[-] 3 points by nitsirk719 (3) 6 years ago

Perhaps a demonstration for those not attending the show should be planned. Is there a rule that only one Occupy event can happen in NYC? Some people do not like to camp or risk being arrested during a demonstration, so this is a way to welcome new participants to the Occupy Movement. Lets keep our hearts and minds open to all of the 99%... Yes, even NYC hipsters have rights.

[-] 3 points by grimwomyn (35) from New York, NY 6 years ago

actually this is the day after the big December 10th action: http://dec10.takethesquare.net/english/

[-] 2 points by ARealNewYorker (227) from Brooklyn, NY 6 years ago

You're seriously recommending an article from the Washington Times to us? And you're seriously going by the name "ComunistUSA" (which is spelled wrong, by the way)?

Somehow I'm doubting your sincerity. Unless you're Colbert, in which case I'm willing to concede that there are so many levels of irony I don't know what to think anymore...






[-] -3 points by Jimmy44 (-57) from New York, NY 6 years ago

$15 at the door? Capitalism! This should be free for the people! Show your outrage and Occupy OWS! /sarcasm

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

You´re way off.

Capitalism means that the means of production are privately owned by individuals who make a profit from other people´s work (cf exploitation /profit) In other words, the value of the worker´s pay is less than the value that was added thru his/her work in the payed hours. That creates a profit for the owner of the means of production who did not create the value, but still gets payed in the form of profit. This profit is hence the capital (therefore the word capitalism)for future investments and more profits. So, the capitalist is making money simply by just owning, not adding or creating value.

Paying tickets to see a show is not capitalism

Many services should be free, yes, but that can only be realized when the society is free.


[-] 0 points by Jimmy44 (-57) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Yeah I know - I was I was just pushing buttons... however, if there is any profit being made from those ticket sales, guess what? Capitalism. What I don't understand is why you seem to assume anyone individual making a profit from employing other people to do work is exploitation.. if the workers are satisfied that they are receiving fair compensation for their work, then why is that exploitation? Or would you have it that the person who owns the business makes no money and gives it all to the workers.. then why would that person bother starting a business in the first place? If that person is compensated at a higher rate than the workers, then that would seem fair to me.. otherwise the workers would be exploiting the employer now wouldn't they. (rhetorical question). The only exception in my mind is the employers (read: CEOs) who are making 400x or more than the employees. That is excessive.

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

"however, if there is any profit being made from those ticket sales, guess what? Capitalism"

Nope! You still don´t understand what capitalism is.

"What I don't understand is why you seem to assume anyone individual making a profit from employing other people to do work is exploitation"

I described Capitalism abouve. Study it! When the value of the worker´s pay is less than the value that was added thru his/her work in the payed hours, then that is by definition exploitation (surplus labor).

"if the workers are satisfied that they are receiving fair compensation for their work, then why is that exploitation"

Satisfaction is an irrelevant factor.

"Or would you have it that the person who owns the business makes no money and gives it all to the workers"

Answer can be read here


[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 6 years ago

Who determines what the value added by the work in the payed hours is to be?

Let's say I make and sell donuts out of my home. My orders grow so that I need to pay people to help me make them. I pay for all the ingredients and the cost of delivery and for the roof over the heads of myself and my hired help. After paying for all of this, I have money left over - out of which I have to pay payroll taxes for those I hired and self employment taxes for myself.

I take that money and rent a larger building, buy more ingredients, and hire more people. I no longer physically make the donuts because of the increased need to spend more time organizing delivery's and ordering supplies and so on. I still pay all the costs associated with doing the business and I pay the payroll and self employment taxes but at the end of the year have a larger profit.

I then buy the building that houses my employees who use my recipe and my supplies to make those donuts. My end of year profit is larger simply because I've expanded my business over the years by reinvesting those initial profits. I now can hire someone else to do all the managing of the business and I can now enjoy the fruits of all those years of re-investing every cent into growing my business.

How is the value that was added by those I've hired calculated? The way I understand it, you believe that I owe something more to those I gave a job than just an income. Please explain exactly what it is I owe them.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Market value is the key here. Market value of finished product for sale minus costs including pay for the ones adding value thru their work = profit hence capital for further investment. Making money by just owning resources. You´re example is describing a capitalist whose business becomes bigger and more complex and needs more workforce. Organizing delivery etc is also work. Capitalists can of course do work as well as making money just by owning.


[-] -1 points by owschico (295) 6 years ago

the venue is the means of production, and that would be privately owned to make a profit off the "artists" (peoples work) Please go work for free if that is what you want so badly, lead by example

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

the venue is the means of production, and that would be privately owned to make a profit off the "artists"

That did not make any sense...

Please go work for free if that is what you want so badly, lead by example

We all live in a state capitalist society with an all-encompassing state capitalist economy. People who want a non-hierarchical egalitarian libertarian socialist society can´t live by these principles when they´re surrounded by capitalism. That can only be realized when the society is free

[-] 1 points by owschico (295) 6 years ago

of course is does not make sense to you, you are clearly incapable of understanding how a music venue or production company operates.

Second your are free to own your own means of production, you are promoting some kind of utopian dream and calling it Libertarian, please educate yourself on what libertarianism really is before you go around giving it a bad name. Go try and survive in the wild and tell me what is free, you have to work for everything food, water, and in order to survive you will have to take the life of other living creatures.

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

No, It´s just you who do not understand what capitalism means. A benefit concert with people paying for tickets to see the show is not capitalism.

No, not everyone is free to own mop. In fact very few own mop. If youre working class or poor you´re not free to own. Libertarian Socialism is the real free society in which people control thir own lives and work - The Society We Should Strive For

We live in a free ride society, we should all be able to enjoy the free rides: The ”Free Ride” Society

[-] 1 points by owschico (295) 6 years ago

What's done with the profit has nothing to do with the diagnosis of capitalism. Weather or not it is a fundraiser means nothing. Your over simplistic view needs some work, nobody (besides you and your own faulty attitude) is stopping you or anyone else from owing your own means of production what ever that may be. You are barking up the wrong tree, like I said go live in the wild and tell me what is really free.

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

like I said, Capitalism means that the means of production are privately owned by individuals who make a profit from other people´s work, the value of the worker´s pay is less than the value that was added thru his/her work in the payed hours. That creates a profit for the owner of the means of production who did not create the value, but still gets payed in the form of profit. This profit is hence the capital (therefore the word capitalism)for future investments and more profits. This is capitalism.

You see, I want democracy http://struggleforfreedom.blogg.no/1320873951_the_society_we_should.html so this"you can just start your own business" talk is irrelevant.

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 6 years ago

Let me break this down for you. The stage, sound board, PA system, and building are privately owned. They make money off the performers by selling access to their product at their venue. Performers are only given a small percentage if anything of ticket sales the rest goes to the venue and its employees. This is capitalism, the performers choose the venue in the FREE MARKET, not by force.

Second democracy is 51% forcefully asserting their views on the other 49% People have know this lesson for centuries, this explains why we were given a constitutional republic. Democracy does not work, it always leads to tyranny.

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Look, all Im saying is that selling tickets to finance a concert is not capitalism. Jimmy said "$15 at the door? Capitalism!" I was criticizing this. Of course, in our society the all encompassing capitalist economy affects everything, so you can find elements of it almost everywhere.

Democracy should be built from the bottom up, so that people can be in control of thir own lives and work: http://struggleforfreedom.blogg.no/1320873951_the_society_we_should.html

"Democracy does not work, it always leads to tyranny" No, tyranny is when the small minority rules.

[-] 2 points by Concerned (455) 6 years ago

Selling tickets IS capitalism - in this case, the venue and the band are donating the proceeds to OWS - likely this means that the venue will not charge for its use and its employees will donate their time. However, if at any point in this process, the venue makes a profit - on food and drink sales let's say, then that profit is capitalism is it not?

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

Did you not read what I wrote above...?

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 6 years ago

The act of buying and selling things was not invented by capitalism and is not exclusive to capitalism. Congrats, you're the stupidest poster in the thread.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 6 years ago

You´re of course right, but I also think that we should not ridicule. That´s just sinking to the level of the trolls. Enlighten dont ridicule :)


[-] 0 points by CrossingtheDivided (357) from Santa Ysabel, CA 6 years ago

Also, you neglected to notice Jimmy's making it clear he was being sarcastic.

[-] -2 points by Jimmy44 (-57) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Did you not notice the /sarcasm at the end of that post???? So who's the 'stupidest' poster in the thread again? lol..

[-] -2 points by aas2230 (-3) from New York, NY 6 years ago

cute, agnosticnixie, but struggleforfreedom wasnt talking about artisan bartering, which is maybe the "buying and selling" you are referring to existing before capitalism. in this case, the artisan earns all his profit. in the second, an employer provides one "innovation" (or government buyout, or anything really that gives his corporation or product method the advantage) and then sits back and does nothing as he earns a profit off of his wage laborer's work.


[+] -5 points by Sharpie944 (-1) 6 years ago

And.... OWS sells out. Why not just sell your name to Nike to help market their edgy new pair of sneakers with attitude?

[-] 6 points by theonewhoknits (18) 6 years ago

Holy fuck they're having a benefit concert. Chill the fuck out.

[-] 4 points by JonValle (133) 6 years ago

It's ok. People are going to be upset REGARDLESS of what we do. Haters gonna hate :P. I support this BENEFIT (sharpie) concert whole heartedly. If I can get off from work, I'll be there.

Have more events like this will, more then likely, bring about more awareness towards the movement.


[-] 4 points by loznonsense (3) 6 years ago

I dont see how raising funds to support operations is selling out.. its not like they've signed up with a corporate sponsor and put a brand's logo on all their signs..

[-] 0 points by Sharpie944 (-1) 6 years ago

Well, to be fair, I think Nikon, Canon, Apple, North Face, and Columbia have gotten some logo time care of OWS. Why not just charge them for it?