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#SolidaritySunday with Oakland Marches in NYC and Across the US; Bank of Ideas Being Evicted in London

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 29, 2012, 9:10 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

As of 8pm EST, actions are currently happening or planned in response to extreme police violence used against Occupy Oakland yesterday in New York City, Boston, Toronto, Vancouver, Melbourne, Oslo, Philadelphia, DC, Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, Portland, Tampa, Indianapolis, New Haven, Orlando, Jackson, Des Moines, Hollywood, Baltimore, Portland ME, Tulsa, Denver, St. Louis, Eugene, Nashville, and Detroit. We have also received word that the Bank of Ideas in London is being raided!

Update, 1/30: Click here to watch Livestream clips from several other cities. At least 12 people were arrested in New York. The protesters marched to the now-empty Charas / El Bohio Cultural and Community Center that was evicted ten years ago by a developer. According to the New York Times:

...a man wearing dark clothes and wearing no visible badge grabbed a woman by the arm and threw her to the ground. Uniformed officers arrested her and a second woman as other officers blocked the lens of a newspaper photographer attempting to document the arrests. As they were led away in handcuff, the two told onlookers that they had done nothing to deserve being arrested. The woman thrown to the ground ... said that the man in the dark clothes had thrown her down after she told him not to push her.

This mic check was read before the march in Boston:

1) once again we are here for oakland a mighty city and a fierce ally in the international struggle for economic justice

2) yesterday our brothers and sisters moved to convert a vacant building into a community center to provide education health care and housing services for the 99%. Police responded with tear gas, flashbang grenades, rubber bullets, and mass arrests.

3) The city of Oakland has a longstanding policy of callous indifference when it comes to the needs of its community it has compounded this cruelty with a ruthless display of violent repression.

4) we also recognize that the corporate media has a vested interest in justifying violence against the occupation movement city councilman de la fuente referred to protesters as domestic terrorists

5) we ask you what is terrorism? we are 19 cities marching in unison in solidiarty with oakland is this terrorism? we seek to reclaim
the buildings left vacant while our families suffer is this terrorism? we seek to build a worldwide commuity where there have been only nations is this terrorism?

6) when the state is invested in keeping space empty the better to serve its billionaire masters we will act and when the police are bought and paid for by corporate leviathans we will fight

7) and when our children ask us what it is that we did when their future was threatened we will tell them that we occupied



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[-] 3 points by Justice999 (13) 12 years ago

do you really think violence against cops, invading city hall, and burning the American flag, will make the American people support the Occupy movement? if anything the scenes from Oakland will turn American against you!!!

[-] 3 points by Sheller (4) 12 years ago

What do the american people care about violence against cops when they're the ones showing up looking totally and completely like the ones looking for a fight? Many americans may be fat and hopeless (just as many who aren't fortunately), but are they blind too? It's practically guaranteed the goons in black and blue are hellbent on making you black and blue just so that the whole effort of arming up isn't wasted in the first place.

If Americans don't have a conscience, heart, sense of deceny and fairness, too deluded and blindsighted to have the basic ability to see past their eyelids, or a tendon of morality left to not care about this way out of proportion, unfair brute force going against a crowd of people, who I once thought had a right to freely assemble without threat of injury, not armed and armoured up and merely shouting things, than Americans are goners. Fortuneatly, that's not the case; for some certainly, but not in general. Oh well, there's over 300million Americans now. With a number like that you can afford to lose some of the more stupid, ignorant, deluded, sick (mentally, physically, or otherwise) amoral, immoral, lost, scared, doomed, hopeless, clueless, lazy, drugged, slaphappy, fat ones. No great loss.

I have a strong hunch many wouldn't give a damn about violence against police (wherever you're seeing that btw--if you so much as breathe on these goons in black it gives them apparently carte blanche to whatever form of torture they want to you (twisting your legs, putting a heavy boot on your ankle, pepper spraying your eyeballs repeatedly, sinking their knees into your back until you can't breath, etc--soon, citizens for their own protection might have to learn self-defence against these state-sanctioned and increasingly privately funded thugs, and if they are to be increasingly privately funded, we as citizens are under no obligation to recognize their "authority" at all.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 12 years ago

How are people who were not there to know what was going on? Why did OO decide to begin this action at night when it would be more difficult to see what was going on and far more difficult to get good video?

[-] 3 points by francismjenkins (3713) 12 years ago

While I'm completely against any form of violent action, I'm also not willing to sit by while our nation is hijacked, because there's some degree of risk that isolated incidents of violence may happen (and people should understand that allowing this "risk" to influence our decision making, just gives the government & their bankster patrons more power). Fear is the ultimate tool of manipulation used by government. They used 9/11 as a pretext to slowly erode our freedoms, they may use the prospect of violence by protesters as a pretext to escalate their response, etc.

This is how people are turned into sheeple.

During the 60's there were violent elements, but the overall Vietnam & Civil Rights movement was peaceful, just as OWS is (and as much as the government escalated the situation e.g. Kent State shootings, they couldn't stop the revolutionary momentum, and ultimately we at least won "legal" civil rights, withdrawal from Vietnam, and other things). Now it's time for our generation to finish the job.

I believe occupy Oakland when they say it was police who initiated violence. After all the incidents of police brutality, you'd think the credibility of police departments and government officials would be diminished in the minds of reasonably intelligent people, and you'd think people wouldn't be so inclined to believe the 24/7 corporate media chatter boxes of bullshit and propaganda (like CNN, Fox, etc.).

[-] 2 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Say it again!

"I believe occupy Oakland when they say it was police who initiated violence. After all the incidents of police brutality, you'd think the credibility of police departments and government officials would be diminished in the minds of reasonably intelligent people, and you'd think people wouldn't be so inclined to believe the 24/7 corporate media chatter boxes of bullshit and propaganda (like CNN, Fox, etc.)."

[-] 3 points by russman (8) 12 years ago

What about the violence committed against the civilians? You mean this is alright, and will win support from the Americans? You don't represent Americans. True Americans have the pioneering and fighting spirit.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 12 years ago

Justice. You are out of touch. Very few people are nationalistic like you these days. They are more interested in the Kardashians than the American flag. As for violence against cops - they are the police force. They use the force. There is no occupy force.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 12 years ago

I think it may be you who are out of touch. Your contempt for the American people comes through so loud and clear and will ensure you lose support.

[-] 0 points by OccupyLink (529) 12 years ago

I like the American people. You obviously don't, by writing the statement you have. You should "get real". Flags are just pieces of cloth. People matter, not flags.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 12 years ago

I don't understand. What leads you to believe that I don't like the American people?

[-] -1 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago


Months ago I tried to get you folks to learn about the BONUS-BOYZ ( 1932 ) 100% same as today, first year they marched they were murdered on DC steps by US army, next year FDR was elected because the masses saw the pain of the BONUS boyz and hated HOOVER.

Same today the blood that spills now will effect the next election.

This is the reality, Jefferson said it best "USA democracy requires much blood to be spilled every 20 years"

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 12 years ago

Wow, I never heard this. I know FDR probably had a liberal side that only appeared when he was elected. We are so uneducated about our US History. I can only think it is as Russell Means says in "Welcome to the Reservation" that we have been finally give "Indian Education" instead of the real history.

Shame, Shame, Shame of the Right Wing and also for the Left Wing for not publicizing all the problems with our Education of Our History". THIS MAY BE PROOF OF THE COMPLICITE INVOLVEMENT OF THE us government.

[-] 1 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

This is the problem with the US edoocation racket, and the US government, is that it fails to educate. Nobody teaches the kids about the bonus boy's, ... funny that the most highly decorated warrior of WWI Smedly Butler led the Bonus boy's and they were still murdered on the capital steps.

Most important is that even the greatest of warriors in the US system are taken out by the shadow government.

Yes, FDR is/was same as TDR just another snob rich guy that got elected, he only got elected because HOOVER was hated, .. think about HOOVER-VILLE, not unlike the tent city's of today.

[-] 2 points by tinynewt (6) 12 years ago

some people here really need to do basic research on OPD before listening to anything they would ever say or the corporate media for that matter. They are one of the most disgraced police departments in the nation so much so that they have until march to clean up their act or they're going to be taken over by the feds. I would also like to reiterate that there was no violence or vandalism at any time during the march(yes people defended themselves by throwing tear gas cans fired at them back at police). Everything that happened at city hall happened late at night after 400 arrests were made, peaceful people suffered serious injury, and the march dismantled. nobody broke into city hall some idiot left the door propped open. Honestly I'm shocked that the stupidity of Oakland City Hall employees or council members leaving the door to city hall propped open at night in DOWNTOWN OAKLAND didn't result in serious vandalism. Yeah some kids ran in and took the American flag and knocked over one tiny plastic display case in the front that was about 2ft long and 2ft wide. NO OTHER DAMAGE.Media way overplayed it. Notice how the media tried to make it sound like police actions were in response to the city hall damage(or not damage i should say). How did protesters do that when they were all kettled or already in jail at that time? I don't know if it's the same there but here in Oakland you have to have a press permit issued by OPD to be aloud to cover the marches without arrest. Most independent journalists on the march( mother jones and east bay express to name some) were arrested in the kettle even one's that had press permits from SF,LA and other cities but those weren't issued by OPD.Most of these journalists are just now being released from jail and some will be in for another night. We should be seeing some real coverage about the march soon. Anyways here's some links that a basic google search will find you on OPD. http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/08/deadly_secrets_how_california_law_has_shielded_oakland_police_violence.html http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/will-opd-end-up-in-receivership/Content?oid=3108756



[-] 1 points by therestofus (40) from Estancia, NM 12 years ago


[-] 1 points by sycamore (13) 12 years ago


Anybody who questions OO's tactics based on the "violence"/"non-violence" dichotomy doesn't understand what happened.

Taking actions that elicit police repression are not violent; marching towards an empty building is not violent. Refusing to retreat when you are shot with rocks, poison gas, and bombs, is not violence.

Their tactics are violent, and everybody seems to accept their legitimacy in using them. When a police officer throws a bomb at someone and they respond by throwing back an empty water bottle, who is being violent? Replace the police officer with a fellow civilian and ask the same question.

You should all know that you can't trust the news by now. Still, I'll dispel a couple of their lies. 1) The City Hall break-in was not the reason 400 people were arrested, but vice versa. Only a few dozen were arrested there. The 400 were arrested in front of a YMCA in a kettle. The City Hall break-in was revenge for the kettle by others who came out in support and outrage. 2) Nobody tried to "occupy" the YMCA. Nobody "stormed" it. The police kettled everyone up against it, and employees let people run through the building, showing them exit routes, until police came in and arrested the rest for felony burglary. The others, most of the 400, were pinned into a corner and arrested and most were held for the better part of 48 hours (20 people in each 10x10 "temporary" holding cell with no beds).

WE DID NOT set out on the streets looking for a fight. We set out looking to re-purpose a long-abandoned civic auditorium and put it to use for the people. We took shields because we knew they would try to stop us. They did. We tried to hold our ground because we were right.

I heard someone talking about the state not knowing how to respond to non-violence. That's crap. They know, and they do it all the time. Mostly, they ignore it. Non-violence is attempting to persuade the enemy to be reasonable, but we are not dealing with reasonable people, we are dealing with massive, abstract institutions with no morality, with corporations and police departments and the government. These brainless things have no morality and so cannot be persuaded. They must be dismantled. Whenever a movement gets threatening enough, no matter what tactics it uses, the state responds with violence. If you wish to keep going—to keep walking towards that abandoned building—you have to be prepared to struggle.

Gandhi did not do it alone; Bhagat Singh was a militant communist anti-imperial fighter who built an underground army and was waging attacks on the British (not to mention the British were decimated after the war and couldn't deal with an uprising). MLK was nothing without Malcolm X. And the Dalai Lama's inner peace still hasn't managed to put a dent in the Chinese state even with international solidarity. The Zapatistas have barely accomplished a thing since they declared a cease-fire (though I don't blame them given the state's terrorism).

I watched a union man at an Oakland protest standing in front of a bank window to prevent others from banging on it (nobody was breaking windows yet). He was yelling at them saying that physically fighting would never solve anything. He was wearing a "Solidarity with Tahrir" shirt. We should NOT model ourselves on Egypt, but many idolize them. They were not "non-violent," they did what they could to be effective, and that meant many things, both marching, and hurling rocks at police, both setting up medic tents to treat friends, and firebombing police stations.

If we are to be serious about our movement, we have to accept the consequences of what we want to accomplish. They will oppose us, and we must protect ourselves or we will be crushed. Could the anti-fascist movements of Europe have opposed the Nazis by peaceful demonstration? Were they wrong for barricading off parts of the city and confronting Nazi soldiers who tried to enter? This country is an imperial power and the most violent one the world has ever seen (even if we get off REALLY easy here in its core). We need to start treating it like one. We need to be willing to do what it takes.

[-] 1 points by priorzola (1) 12 years ago

You really need to engage in more teach-ins on passive resistance and non-violent civil disobedience if that's going to be your overriding tactic. Only through unified tactics can you have a unified message. Even those within the movement will distance the movement if some new elements start to make it up as they go along.

I understand the pressures and frustrations particularly with the police but that's to be expected. The police are going to react the way police forces for centuries have reacted to this kind of movement. And that's why teach-ins are so important. It's so that protesters are on the same page about how to have the moral high ground over those in the power structure you seek to remove or change.

Violence is easy and it's human nature to want to react with it to more violence but the truth is an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. Passive resistance must be a trained reaction and that's why education it's principles and tactics are important.

[-] 1 points by Cbduran (1) 12 years ago

I understand the hesitation in supporting the occupy Oakland movement for fear it will show a violent side to the people listening to corporate media. I have been around for almost all of the OO actions and an installment in the GA weekly, It truly is a peaceful crowd. If any of you questioning have looked at any of the history on the Oakland police you woul understand that the public have had issues with their actions since the beginning. Of course there are violent groups that come I all the actions but that doesn't mean that you should be listening to the corporate media when they say that the protesters are the problem here. Try watching the ustreem an all the indipendent media. What are we working toward if even people supporting the occupy movement can't see the blatant abuse of the Oakland cops? Not saying there weren't some wron moves but really.

[-] 1 points by andybarone1984 (5) 12 years ago

I loved the way you were organized here. Going into testudo formation to protect the fallen (you will also need some shields pointed up at the sky, in case the flashbangs fall on your heads), backing up and moving forward keeping the lines, very well organized.

You should plan tactics so as not to get corralled by cops (moving in blocks to come up around the block or behind them - live feeds from helicopters on your phones are incredibly useful).

I also like the rock throwing. I know some would like to keep it peaceful, but I am of the mind of responding with equal force.



[-] 1 points by HelperJames (2) 12 years ago

Anyone interested in contacting the other 1%, the site billionairemailinglist.com has all the U.S. billionaires home addresses. You can write to them directly there.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

May I predict that at this point - you are going too far. It is one thing in this country to set your eye on some vacant building but it is quite another to set your sights on homes of anyone, including the billonaires.




[-] 1 points by Larry5 (3) 12 years ago

I have a question, please. Does the occupy movement have any response to the Oakland police report stating that the violence began when “Officers were pelted with bottles, metal pipe, rocks, spray cans, improvised explosive devices and burning flares."? I'm not saying I automatically believe the report, but I’ve noticed that every time I read of police claims or news reports that confrontations between police and occupiers began with violent actions by the protesters, I come to this site and there is never any acknowledgement that those claims or reports exist. Not even a statement saying they were incorrect. Surely you know of them, don’t you? I know the movement often accuses the media of bias reporting, but to not even address these issues bring up suspicions regarding the accuracy of reports on this site. Thank you for any response.

[-] 4 points by bubul (18) 12 years ago

Well, does 'improvised explosive devices' sound plausible to you? I watched some of the footage from Oakland. I saw flying rocks coming from people being attacked with flashbangs--that thing exploding in a big ball of flame against a shield, i.e. a trashcan lid? I also saw somebody shaking a temporary chainlink fence. This was described, I think on CNN, as 'serious damage to a building.' So, to answer your question--uh, yeah, use your own judgment about what people are reporting, but I think it's pretty obvious which side is armed to the teeth.


[-] 0 points by oakwasenuf (66) 12 years ago

Too bad the only folks getting this stuff on 'video' are ows photogs and the liberal media. i really cannot believe that the cops blinked before the black boc trouble makers made trouble.

[-] 1 points by freeusall (6) from Christiansburg, VA 12 years ago

Unless things have changed a lot in the past 5 years since I've been in a black bloc, most of the people are fairly intelligent and respectful of the others in the march. If there are immigrants in the march they'll break free from the group and take the heat to protect the rest of the group. They stand united as one, not always to make trouble, although there are a few that do. The most I've ever done in a black bloc was civil disobedience, non-violent actions.

[-] -2 points by zhaan (7) 12 years ago

The fact that you guys would be arrogant enough to think you can just generate a mob and then take over any building you want would say to me it's highly likely that idiots in your group were throwing rocks and bottles at police. Violence begets violence, and your entire focus on "occupation" is violent.

[-] 3 points by bubul (18) 12 years ago

So you think people who advocate occupying buildings should be beaten up by the police? Or you're against violence, unless it's police violence, in which case it can't be helped?

[-] -1 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

Since when is occupying buildings anyone's constitutional right. It really does not make any difference whether that building is under construction, being currently used, or vacant - it simply is not a right that any of has to "occupy it".

Does this mean that you while you are away protesting in Oakland, I have a right to occupy your apartment or home back where you came from.

You need to get real and stop the stupidity before a good number of your get killed.

[-] 1 points by bubul (18) 12 years ago

Thanks for answering my question.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 12 years ago

What is your address? I am going to occupy you!

[-] -1 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

PS - I own an apartment that is vacant today. If I go to that apartment and find an occupier, that person will have to deal with me first and police second.

Do YOU understand what I am saying?? You all seem to be afraid of the police, etc., when your first fear should be the owner of that "vacant" property who has a lot more authority to HURT you than the police do.

[-] 1 points by bubul (18) 12 years ago

Erm, well, first of all, most of the reoccupations so far have been of repossessed homes . So, I guess Chase or whoever could send hired goons instead of resolving the situation legally, but you know, I think that might hurt their public image a bit.

Or maybe they could send you?

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

So far as I am concerned, Chase better do it. I have two mortgages with Chase, paid them faithfully and will pay them.

I have no reason to believe any faireness would exist if Chase decided to just give everyone else some repossessed property and then force me to continue to make my payments.

All of the sorry crying and carrying on my the people on these forums is one of the best examples of G R E E D that I have ever seen. You would trample all over your fellow 99% citizens to get what you want or what you magically determine is fair for some BUT not fair for all.

[-] 1 points by bubul (18) 12 years ago

Look at it this way--say the government announced tomorrow that housing was a human right and all mortgages were annulled. Would you breathe a sigh of relief, or would you curse the government and demand to keep paying until the amount was covered?

[-] 1 points by Sheller (4) 12 years ago

Oh stfu ronjj troll. Wow don't you impress us all with your empty-headed, stale threats of bodily harm on homeless people occupying what is essentially SHELTER being their properly using while it's misused and unused by the sloppy, stupid, reckless private interests that supposedly own it and do nothing with it while the homeless ever increase. You talk of occupiers not having a right to squat in these places--who gave a corporation the right to buy a place, leave it empty and do nothing with it, while the homeless writhe in the alleys and streets? Btw, dick, ever hear of assault, aggravated assault, those kind of things? Which if you try to execise your fairy tale bravado posturing in any kind of real way on another human being you can charged and jailed for doing it? Check the criminal code dick, because I think you need to catch up on some pretty basic laws and punishable crimes. Btw, occupiers afraid of the police? Let's see the big tough police take away their armour, thick platicated shields, weaponry, and badges and let's see how they do then. Then maybe it won't be the occupiers you claim are the ones afraid.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

AND - if I thought that you wouldn't cry when you got what would be coming to you, I would give you an address to go to for a SAMPLE of one of the greatest freedoms that any nation ever provided to it's citizens.- the right to be free within their property - free from the militiary, for extensive goverment intervention, and MOST IMPORTANT - free from you.

Post all you want - I push one button on this comupter and you disappear from my sphere of being. That IS HOW IMPORTANT you are to me.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

You are one sick person. Talk on and put down your fellow man that would defend his home from your vile intents.

It is extremely difficult to prove assault, aggravated assault, and those kine of things when a person is injured or killed breaking into the home or property of another person.

You are simply the one expressing the bravado and hiding NOW behind the very law and police that you want to stick it to when you only need them to harm someone else.

And by the way, my name is not dick. If this is a reference to the extent of your sexual intelligence, lots of luck in the real world.

Read the following post from Farleymowat, now there are two of us. You are simply showing your lack of intelligency for all the world to see, and making about as much sense as a corpse laying in a grave.

[-] 0 points by FarIeymowat (49) 12 years ago

Sheller, you have serious mental trouble. Go see a doc for some meds. Go set up a tent in the woods somewhere and live off the fat of the land. Go back to nature. But don't think you have a right to occupy private property. If you tried it on me I'd have to kick your silly ass into next year!

[-] 1 points by Penni (1) 12 years ago

Larry, you decide...

The real truth about Oakland Occupy on Sat Please make it go viral! www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTum1mSpkK8

[-] 1 points by Courtney (111) from New York, NY 12 years ago

I completely agree. The NYT piece on Oakland today was a perfect example of journalism as stenography. The reporter just printed what the Oakland police dept. said without asking a single question about whether or not it was true. They quoted the police and the mayor on the protesters' intentions! I feel like a lot of people in the movement now are responding to and distancing themselves from allegations of violence, but we have no credible sources on either side to tell us what happened.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

At what point do you take responsibility for what you started. Your arguments sound about as reasonable as a 5 year old child. You are spending your time arguing over who started it, pointing fingers etc.

What a great wasted of juvenile time. But them, again, what else do you have to do with your time.


[-] 1 points by freeusall (6) from Christiansburg, VA 12 years ago

As someone who's been at a protest where the police randomly attacked(Miami protest against the FTAA don't remember the year but it was the Bush/cheney era) I can give you an idea of what could've happened. Basically the cops were probably told the people there were a bunch of crazy anarchists. Fear was instilled in those cops, which tends to make them go overboard with use of weapons and means only one little thing would start the fire. It's like a room filling with gas, waiting for the spark. In Miami all transportation was cut off, we were told to back up, we backed up. They kept on us, surrounding us, even though we were doing what we were told. They even attacked the med areas that had been set up. So already injured people got injured again and/or arrested. You do want you can to slow them down. I mean they can't really run fast in those heavy riot gear outfits, so you should never really run. You move trash cans in the way and set them on fire. Some people had gas masks, some bandanas with vinegar. And you'll notice most of these clashes happen in areas that aren't necessarily adapt to protests. Remember Kent State in Ohio where 4 were killed. The reason why they don't use real bullets anymore.

[-] 1 points by freeusall (6) from Christiansburg, VA 12 years ago

For the record I don't know if I support this group or not, haven't learned enough about them and am in the process of circling the rounds. Although I have my suspicions that this is the group formerly known as Refuse & Resist who then did United For Peace and Justice. Which if that is the case then I'd say no to supporting them. I might support the people, but not necessarily this organization. Like I said still up in the air.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

The anger in OAKLAND has been brewing for 40+ years, the hatred of the cops there and vice-versa.

I think the real issue is what happened in OAKLAND is not OWS, but the media is calling it OWS to put all economic pain into one bottle, which as CHOMSKY would say explains why the CIA created the OWS to keep people at home and fear.

That if anybody hits the street they're OWS and will be beat by the police, but this is far from the truth.

The OWS don't have any standing in Oakland, and the cops have been killing kids their for years and 90% of the people in Oakland are disenfranchised from their government, in other words Oakland is a pressure pot ready to burst, and what your seeing now are just like the Watt's riots of 1960's. ( LA, calif USA )

[-] 1 points by freeusall (6) from Christiansburg, VA 12 years ago

Problem with that argument to me is that I've been to activist events in Oakland. I know someone who lives in San Fransisco and frequently goes to Oakland as well as a guy who lives there. It was pretty peaceful there, but that was 2 years ago since I've been there. I lived in L.A., ca for over a year and you could feel the tension in the air.

Then again the Seattle Riot was blamed on the protest when in fact it was homeless kids who were throwing the molotov cocktails and doing most of the damage (besides the cops doing the rest).

And it seems like according to OWS's own newsletter this was in fact an OWS event, that they had solidarity with.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

I have been around Oakland my entire life and the people and cops are always fighting.

I was at the Seattle riots, IMHO the police over reacted for the simple reason that the it was ordered by the secret-service because the local police had lost control, and the president was vulnerable, this side of the story is often over-looked.

Once the protesters 'closed' the meetings and made it impossible for the attendees to go to the convention center then all hell broke loose.

I think the 'system' had no idea what happened in Seattle. In actuality only a few real anarchists in black coming up from Eugene ( Oregon ), had much to do with wearing masks and breaking glass, which was the extent of damage ( I saw it I was there ).

The thing is when a president visits a town everything gets locked down, and when they lost control and presidents security was in possible threat they essentially declared martial-law. The cops started attacking everybody to disperse and all hell broke loose all over the city downtown and up in the university area.

After the Seattle incident the FBI/CIA ( now DHS ) got involved to have federal coordinated means to control such events, after that what they did is force protesters to protest in zones far from the actual event, in Portland they would make cages not unlike OWS tent city's far from an event and tell the protesters they had to stay in the cage, and of course there was no media, that's why ever since, nothing came of protesting, cuz after Seattle the police-state dis-allowed protesting.

The only hope that OWS type protesting had any chance was to be dispersed far and wide in every city in many locations, but what the cops did with OWS is convince folks to stay in fixed areas where they could be controlled.

The reason that Seattle was successful is that there were 100's of mob's running havoc all over the city.

Post Seattle the US government made sure to control all events from the inside ever after.

[-] 1 points by freeusall (6) from Christiansburg, VA 12 years ago

The government's been trying to control events from the inside for a very long time. I believe the term used for it is cointelpro, which Nixon set up and there were other programs used by previous presidents.

Unfortunately I was too young when Seattle happened to actually know what went on. I only know what I've read about and heard about at different protests, from people who had been there. But you're wrong about protests being unsuccessful. Yes, most are nowadays. The protests in Miami against the FTAA, which has not had a meeting since that day, were successful mostly cause of the police actions. I guess they figured we'd just scatter, but we didn't. The meeting got shut down after that. And I learned that day that I really hate the labor union, who pulled all of their people into the arena and left the rest of us to the cops as if it was planned. But I don't think we got nearly the media coverage as Seattle. The cops had been mean from the start. Most protests I can talk to the cops and their usually pretty friendly, there they didn't even crack a smile.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

I was at Seattle, shit it was just a few years ago, what are you 12?

Seattle won cuz CLINTON assumed he had them under his control, just like OBAMA assumes he has OWS in his corner, but the fact is a MOB is a MOB, and are highly un-predictable.

Seattle won because the anarchists were creating havoc all over the city and cops lost control, couldn't be in all places at all times, that's why the OWS is brilliant for the CIA, teach kids to live in one place in a tent and all stay together so they can be controlled.

If you folks want to win, then you ought to learn why SEATTLE won, they won be being dispersed and driving the cops NUTS.

[-] 1 points by freeusall (6) from Christiansburg, VA 12 years ago

I'm 26, and yeah it's been awhile since Seattle, let's see clinton was president 12 years ago.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

Well it was yesterday for me, but to be honest there were a ton of 14 year olds on the streets of Seattle that week, .. why weren't you there?

I really think you folks ought study that event, it worked while OWS is a failure, you get let the 'system' keep you in a cage or tent in a park, to beat the system you must over-whelm them.

There are only one cop per 1,000 people in any community, so its easy to beat the cop's at their game, but if you allow them to corral you, then you lose, this is why OWS is a loser, and Seattle was a winner,

But Seattle was ran by anarchists not pussy's in NYC

[-] 1 points by freeusall (6) from Christiansburg, VA 12 years ago

I was dealing with my mother's abusive husband and I live on the other side of the country.

But yes I agree OWS is kind of a failure. This whole "no leaders" thing doesn't work, they aren't acting smart, aren't nearly organized enough at all to even start with. They do have more guts than the ISO, but that might not really be a compliment.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

The OWS was manufactured up in Canada because the CIA can't run this shit in this country, but they can have 'contractors' run it from outside, that's why OWS is ran from Canada by CANVAS(corp) aka adbusters.com,

Given that OWS is ran by the CIA you can't expect real change,

Real change must come from the heart, not from CIA consensus.


[-] -2 points by zhaan (7) 12 years ago

I agree with Larry5. When are you guys going to take responsibility for your own actions? You try to take over other people's property and then you scream victim when arrested. Since when is the YMCA an abandoned building needing "liberation"?

[-] 1 points by tinynewt (6) 12 years ago

Here we go again more people listening to corporate media. Nobody took the Y police kettled the march into one block and the Y was in that block. their doors were locked at the time. When police began beating people employees seeing a mass of people outside screaming came up to the glass doors. after speaking with protesters who were kettled and realizing the gravity of the situation the YMCA employees opened the doors and actually helped about 100 people escape the kettle before OPD took over the Y blocked the back entrance and terrorized YMCA employees as well.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

This seems more like a group determined to set the stage and them identify the problem.

Living in a park or on federal land in a (semi) permanent residence with related support facilities is "setting the stage", when it is recognized for what it really is, the accusations fly of police brutality, eviction of the homeless, etc.

What a crock of :LKJ:LKJ. How many of the real OWS protestors were homeless 8 months ago. They simply created a situation in a "peaceful" manner and triggered cries of the "children" for picking the fight in the first place. No sympathy from this poster at all.

[-] 0 points by pinapple (7) 12 years ago

you guys are nothing but trash, you don't give a shit about your country


you just want to destroy it, I hope the army comes and just mows you communists down and puts you in your proper place. This is just sick.

[-] -1 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

It is sick because it has to be done with masks on. If the police do not control this behavior, the citizens eventually will and any little scratch you received from the police will be quite minor to what the average citizen will be williing to do.

I am not a violent person and do not advocate violence as a means of resolving problems among my people, but an invasion by any outside country, or outsiders within this country, I believe, will be met by a force of resistance that far exceeds anything you will get from the police.