Forum Post: You're Invited To themultitude.org Where Occupiers Can Have A Party Without Trolls!
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 22, 2011, 8:50 a.m. EST by GypsyKing
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Come and join the party and you won't even have to bring your wreath of garlic, your mirror, or your crucifix; but just chat among friends.
No thanks. The trolls do not bother me. But your advertisements do.
That is probably because you are a troll.
No, I'm a truther. OWS will only succeed if it is committed to the truth and rejects the 1%'s paid propagandists. What I saw on themultitiude is 1% propaganda.
I can't concur with you there at all.
Really? Have you seen econ geek's postings? It's like copied them from a JP Morgan powerpoint presentation.
Yes, there are a few there, I think, but fewer than here? No way! This site is literally overrun with them And furthermore, speech there is far more focused, less chaotic and lost in the shuffle than on this site. I think the control of this site has actually improved in the last few days, and so I have not abandoned it, which I intended to do after encountering a Neo-Nazi implying Auschwitz was a good idea. I know this, we are in agreement that we NEED a site that functions and meets our needs.
The trolls here are predominantly NYPD who feel guilty about beating up innocent protesters, or who yearn to return to their days in the mafia.
You mean people with differing ideas are not invited? Censorship reigns supreme huh? That's a way to get an consensus. Just kick out everyone who doesn't agree with you.
It's brilliant, really.
Oh, don't play that stupid card again. You know what a moderated forum is - the problem with you guys is that you can't hold your own in rational debate- so you just get frustrated like little babies and start spewing hatred, insults and potty words. Then you get kicked off and scream "censorship!"
I have never been kicked off, or censored. I just know that people who ask questions are vilified as trolls. The problem with most people in society is that they have no forethought. They don't plan ahead and do not think of the ramifications of their actions. There is no plan, the plan is for chaos, and it is very obvious from being around here, how disjointed and inexperienced people are in developing and implementing a plan. I am well experienced at it.
I you want to get another picture of the movement go to themulitiude.org.
It looks like you are not a troll, and so I a sorry for my brusque attitude. We are literally swamped here with people trying to obstruct honest communication, and to some degree at least they have succeeded. For every honest enquirer we have 10 obstructionists.
The process you see going on here presents a far more disorganized picture of this movement than the reality - partly for the very reason that the dialogue is being intentionally confused and obstructed, and partly because allowing for freedon of speach is one of our goals, and partly because democracy is messy. This movement is only two months old, and still very much in the process of defining itself. Please, take part in that process, messy though it may appear! We are attempting nothing less than putting the power to rule back in the hands of the people, the place where this countries founders thought it rightfully belongs:)
Jumbo I've seen enough of your swill to know you are the problem you bitch about. Watching how forums slide in and out without a system for ideas to trend upward so people can't get their shit together and fighting stupidity of your flavor the whole way through-you're a paid player, and you're transparent.
You have no idea. I see what is happening and i disagree with it. I want an end to corruption in government, and power back to the people. That isn't what is happening here, certainly not with this plan of action or non action. And why would someone pay me? OWS is breaking down very well on its own because of neophytes who are passionately idealistic about something they don't understand.
Perhaps I've misjudged and mistaken your handle for another, brother. I see way too much here that matched your statement-passionate misguided and uneducated -democracy at it's finest -mob rule-aristocracy of blackguards as it's been called. We are a REPUBLIC and this platform here is framed like our 2 party system-as a saw that rips through the republic. You may enjoy the clarity of this educational site. If everyone knew these things we wouldn't have as far to go, but it's deeper than most will endeavor to absorb. http://www.gemworld.com/USAVSUS.HTM
I am well educated in forms of government. My problem with OWS is that its direction has no way of achieving the change that needs to be made to save our Republic and remove the power from the two parties. The action needs to be taken in the courts and in the halls of Congress. It needs to happen at the polling places. That's how you realize real change. Congress only operates under the laws they create for themselves. We the people should be making new rules for them to follow that will solve our problems. OWS has no interest in that.
well, you need to start over because this is your trouble "I am well educated in forms of government" directly contradicts "The action needs to be taken in the courts and in the halls of Congress. It needs to happen at the polling places. That's how you realize real change.". You don't understand that these forms of government you are well versed in, are for public consumption-like Lego-land for kids -keeps you busy doing nothing that will deconstruct their power base. Start over-seriously, learn real history http://www.gemworld.com/USAVSUS.HTM educated guy like you will enjoy the read. then we have something to discuss. There is an outside the box solution... Here's more critical info for protecting your liberty-unless your a lawyer, and even if, you've probably never heard any of this http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/htm/preface.htm
Not sure what your point is, i know everything that was in the gemworld link. I have been studying history and politics for almost 30 years. I did not illuminate what i meant by action in the courts and the halls of Congress because nobody around here gives a shit. They only want to protest and act like idiots stirring up the police, and playing for the marxists masters who started this whole thing. Here is a secret for you. Did you know that you have a right to go to the federal reserve through the IRS and obtain a check in the amount pledged to the Fed for your lifes efforts 80+ years ago?Nobody should be paying a dime in taxes. Nobody. That number is enormous. Our government sold our country and its people into slavery to the Fed a long long time ago. You are pledged as collateral. One problem illuminated in your link was that people fall into a trap. I don't. I never have. I think far ahead, and plan accordingly. I don't openly break the law, but then i rarely put myself in a position to be subject to them. Most people wouldn't be in such a mess if they paid attention and planned ahead. That's all i was trying to say.
Thanks for saying it! I hope there are a few who do give a shit, because that's the ONLY reason I bother spending time in this little flytrap operation called OWS.com. Here's another link that explains much of what you just laid on me-regarding IRS...if you have a better one please shRe... http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/htm/preface.htm Here's Hoping the thoughtful ones see the trap and seek out the intelligent path you and I are aware of.
I bookmarked it since it is such a long read but i was browsing through it. One of the things i have been most disappointed in my state leadership and others, is that they have passed 10th Amendment measures and then failed to act upon them. I am praying for a governor with some balls that says that federal laws will no longer be enforced in our state, that we are removing all federal agencies from the state, and that we will not support any more federal unfunded mandates. We will support ourselves. And to direct all citizens of the state to stop paying federal income tax, and instead pay only state taxes. What a storm that would cause if Florida did that. Texas would be the next to follow and the we would see some real action.
Keep pushing it. People just don't believe the nature of the conspiracy-aren't patient enough to challenge it. It took me til I was 36 yrs old to finally see these things. I live in Texas. I'm PUSHING. But it will take a good long while before the likes of Perry are overthrown-they are tied to the foreign feudalists like mo other-no matter what they say out the other corner of their mouths. Read the rolling stone article on Perry-it's a doozie.
The problem with any well minded people who get in office, is that they are corrupted right away by all the big money and they lose whatever passion and altruism they ever had. Pure cowardice. I know lots of elected officials personally and while i am asked for advice most times they don't like what i have to say. Ive called my legislator and a state senator a pussy before. Ha. Should have seen their faces.
Jimboiam-I want to introduce you to "frogwithwings" look for our conversation here -we are on the same wavelengths essentially http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/#comment-412045 I'm going to send him back here also... People like us can create a nexus