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Forum Post: Your thoughts on this global phenomena

Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 1, 2011, 4:13 p.m. EST by JoTerrence (50) from Palmdale, CA
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David Graeber, a longtime anarchist, joined the protests in the very beginning on a whim and quickly set it on a new course to make government less corrupt. If there is an endgame to the protests, he says it's to "delegitimize" the current political system to make way for the kind of radical change that would create a more open and fair democracy unshackled by the interests of big money.

This course to make government corruptiopn proof was accomplished 200 years ago by Scandinavian countries. 99ers over there in 1809 developed the New Guard system from our Declaration of Independence. After refining and testing for 150 years 25 OECD nations adopted this system along with two of our states. In brief we the people commission Jason Bourne to investigate corruption for our future security as a duty given us by our founding Patrons. Jason pounces on police abuse. Reverses corporate personhood, delegitimizes the current political system, brings our prison rate to world norms and unshackles interests of big money with no detractors. Jason is seen and embraced as a father figure in the 39 nations who adopted this system. What are your thoughts of this global phenomena? Do we play their rigged game going in with our queen game piece? This would avoid much as our man has all the protective power he needs to keep us all safe. Should we commission this plenipotentiary to protect us from police abuse as we occupy?

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

we need to claim the legal system back from the oligarchs who now weild it abusively as nothing other than the labor of the caste system.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

this global phenomenon needs to get organized and if it does not it will fail. anarchism is a problem, not a solution, and ows is a leaderless, not name dropping movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA

I have been active here since the very beginning, and since the very beginning I have been trying to make some core points. These points clearly have not been digested or fully understood by the mob, and so I'm going to try to make a further attempt here again.

  1. Merely protesting in the streets will not bring change. In fact merely protesting in the streets is in fact a means to the end of avoiding the real work of a revolution, which consists of the evolutionary solutions, answers, problem solving process, and new political alignment we create.
  2. This forum is absolutely disorganized. It won't be read by most people and it won't and can't function as a core organizational system.
  3. Back at the very start of this, I petitioned the admin to add multiple sub forums and a wiki. Multiple sub forums were promised but have never arrived. I think that this tells us that the intention actually of this forum is message control and containment. The entire purpose really of this forum has always been to keep us spinning in disorganization. We are hanging out on a forum that expressly exists to actually keep us confused and disorganized.
  4. The real work of a revolution isn't going to happen on forums, it needs to happen in a much more organized fashion using collaborative software.
  5. The assorted other details about how to collaborate, how to work open source direct democracy, how to focus in on science instead of isms, how to become hyper rational about this, are details which are essential and crucial, without which we can predict the movement to fail.
  6. Technically speaking we are not 99 percent, we are one tenth of one percent attempting to represent the 99 percent. Our core mission must be to communicate to and with the 99 percent, and get them to join us. This forum will not accomplish that and neither will any of the other main websites.
  7. You can follow other people out to other wikis and other websites, where they will try to get you to get involved with what they want and their program, but frankly speaking, there is no other website and no other operation out there which understands the complexities involved with meaningful organization. In short, everyones being led to get involved here there and everywhere else, scattering the movement in directions which ultimately do not gain us critical mass, criticial momentum, or critical systemic lucidity.
  8. I have managed to get a wiki put up and have already put on that wiki evolutionary details which make it more organized than anything else. I can't do this alone. There are 10 or so wikis now out there, most of which were created in response to my pleas for a wiki, and several of which are in domains owned and operated by some corporation, (wikia, etc) And which we can thus assume will simply be closed, shut down, or deleted if they become useful to the movement.
  9. Probably at least half of the invites you have to go participate at some other site are people who are scamming everyone to waste time and energy, distort the movement, co opt it, and etc. When you walk off into a closet ask yourself how you know that the closet isn't created by some fed, or by some republican, or by some democrat, in order to sway things in their direction.
  10. The only meaningful strategic option we have for real change in this country is to create a new third party, and take every political office in this country.
  11. Once that is done, we can have an article 5 convention. If we have an article 5 convention before getting rid of the oligachs, that just opens the genie from the bottle for them to abuse that process with their corruption and evil.

For these reasons, I beg of you to please immediately join me on the wiki. We need to have all of these details and all of these ideas put together in an organized fashion, rather than posted in a long scrawl which will never be read.

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ

http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw

http://www.opensecrets.org/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/

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[-] 1 points by JoTerrence (50) from Palmdale, CA 13 years ago

Okay I'm on the same page and logged in as 579 in wiki. The only way to restore civility, sanity, democracy, or stop the assorted emergencies our civilization faces is to end the corruption and to do that you must remove the corrupted. I found this from your links. This is what I'm saying. You talk of article V getting 3/4 of states to legislate outside of the corruption. Their is an easy way to remove the corrupted.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

yes, tho article 5 alone is dangerous because it just opens the genies bottle without putting a fire under the butts of the reps. Its got to be a new political party under a 70 percent or more coalition... ie; our job is to waken the sleeping 98 percent at least to 70 percent on our side. As soon as we know we have 70 percent, we can't really lose an election.

If you are worried about the false dualism game the other way hop the fence and go with Ron Lawl. come back to the actual election in time to guage it. if there is still only one percent then fighting against one percent with 98 percent not getting it; vote your conscience. But if we can form a coalition of 70 percent between now and the election, and i think we can, then we owe it to ourselves to step off the oligarchy merry go round once and for all.

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[-] 1 points by JoTerrence (50) from Palmdale, CA 13 years ago

A new political party is possible with the loss of America. Boulder got a 76% vote passed on reversing corporate personhood. A vote on commissioning new guards to accompany article V and personhood has 100% passage throughout the world as there are no detractors to this guard stopping police abuse and corruption. This is the queen piece in chess. Do we go into this game being played on us with or without this piece?

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[-] 1 points by armchairecon1 (169) 13 years ago

holy wall of text batman, i guess you haven't learned about the 'paragraph' yet

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

holy programs, robin, this one deletes formatting.

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