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Forum Post: You are All slaves to The DOLLAR until you realize who your master is you will never be more than a SLAVE

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 11, 2011, 5:42 p.m. EST by owschico (295)
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TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 25 > § 486 Prev | Next § 486. UTTERING COINS OF GOLD, SILVER OR OTHER METAL Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title [1] or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.



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[-] 2 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 12 years ago

If you study the conservative agenda that was just defeated, slavery would seem to be the ultimate goal: no education, make it hard to vote, and unbridled population explosion, primarily in the areas that couldn't get illegal abortions, etc. as readily as the wealthier folks.

[-] 1 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 12 years ago

Is it also illegal to print scrip? They use it in golf tournaments and the like in lieu of money.

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago

no, although I know of that being golfer. But it is a law made so you can not create a currency that will hold its value, you can pay people in paper all you want because that has a value in dollars. But gold and silver are independent of the dollar the dollar has no effect on the value of gold or silver.

[-] 1 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 12 years ago

Since value is a human concept, we could use any medium we want to to represent our share of the community labor/product pool. It all breaks down, though, when the medium becomes a commodity itself. And, of course, it requires trust and faith, so first we have to reestablish those concepts.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Money is just an illusion. It has no value of its own - it is us who bring to it our system of belief and that is what gives it value - and power.

It is simply a medium of trade, a way of accounting for and trading on labor output. The problem is that it costs more to live than an average earner actually earns.

Back around the time mine workers first organized around unions mine workers often paid the mine owners for housing, and bought their food and their tools at the company store - and their weekly expenses exceeded their weekly pay.

Something similar is happening today - only on a much more complex level.

[-] 1 points by BrainC (400) from Austin, TX 12 years ago

wow ZenDog, I am impressed. You actually see that money is a tool. I trade my time, labor and efforts for it so I can later trade the dollar for the time, labor and efforts of others. It is not the dollar or money that is the issue, it is the value we get for our time, labor and efforts that is the issue. Or, to throw you a bone, the lack of value, etc, etc...

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago

duh that is why we have this law forcing you to use the feds fiat currency ensuring you are robbed of your wealth as the fiat currency looses its buying power

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

well duhhh

I think actually that law is most likely a result of the California gold rush - but I haven't researched it.


The fact is that during at least the last decade there are communities where they have experimented with their own currency - Burlington, Vermont has had at least two versions - both requiring merchant participation for the trading scheme to work -

and guess what?

No one has gone to jail yet.

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago

that is because those are fiat paper currencies, look into the liberty dollar and what happened to the man who started the Liberty dollar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKFSOjx9pAg

[-] 1 points by AMH (123) 12 years ago

The dollar is how we make things move in our economy. It's not the problem. It's the design of our corporations. They take money from the masses and give them to a few shareholders. If the corporations belonged to the masses, the money would go back to the masses, and we wouldn't be in this predicament.

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago

they don't take money from the "masses" people give them money in return for a product. The shareholders are the "masses" and they do belong to the masses hence the word SHARE

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 12 years ago

"you are all slaves to the dollar"

Karl Marx could have written this.

[-] -1 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago

thats fine and all but all I am saying is if you try to use any other form of currency you will be jailed for up to 5 years

[-] 1 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 12 years ago

what about the bitcoin? I admittedly don't know too much about it, but does that fall under this category?

[-] 1 points by ukpoorperson (11) from Owston, England 12 years ago

I'm not a lawyer but am I right in thinking that only includes METAL money?

Maybe we should manufacture our own, TPTB do it all the time.

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago

but that would be fiat. The law is their to keep everyone a slave to fiat currencies (the dollar)

[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 12 years ago

It's ironic to think the American revolution was waged over competing currencies.. (the original colonies fought for the ability to print their own money)

[-] 1 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago

exactly the currency act of 1764

[-] 0 points by stevo (314) 12 years ago

So that means, all you smelly hippies are nothing more more than runaway slaves.

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago


[-] 0 points by journey4word (214) 12 years ago

well, I suppose all people are all slaves to something.

I've been part of the work force for 27 years. Being a slave to the dollar isn't so bad. maybe you should go live in another country for a while. no I mean, Please go live in another country

[-] 1 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago

I'll put it this way 10 years ago you could buy a gallon of gas for 1 dollar, and an ounce of gold for 250 dollars. Now how much is your dollar buying and how much more are you making right now? If they are not proportional then you are being robbed blind by the fiat system this law keeps in place

[-] 0 points by journey4word (214) 12 years ago

ahhh Inflation.

[-] 1 points by owschico (295) 12 years ago

it is quite a hefty tax wouldn't you say, and to put a man in jail for 20 years just because he didn't want money that was going to loose it's value. Thats the real crime