Forum Post: Yes republicans are people too.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 27, 2011, 11:07 a.m. EST by mutualminds
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They labeled themselves as we all labeled ourselves in one way or another. But now when the people they voted for are bringing the self-realization of who they are, it upsets people because that's not who they are. I'm only asking people to ask themselves, who am I?
If God experiences life through us under a nation that proclaims itself to be under God's guidance, then why can't we let our experiences unfold to discover? proclaim? or just to have a self-realiation that we are who we are. Who are we/you? That is all I'm asking from people, are you all love or all fear? Those are the only two emotions the soul really knows, all other emotions are a sub-emotion from one of those two. Love and fear directs our actions of every event of our lives. We as doers, (people? Americans?) need to take ownership, we can do that either now or when were not a doer any more but just a Being. Just a Being means (from experience) that when all is taken from you, your no longer this or that, your role as a doer is over. You lie there with just your mind. Who are you then? You may be facing death or just woke up from a car wreck. It's then that you ask yourself who am I now? That is the question, are you a spiritual being or just a simple human being? If death is approaching you go further and discover more about your beingness. In the end like that I found that it's not the love that you leave behind, it's the love you take with you when you die or death is approaching. All this other BS doesn't matter. Neither does your job or what you did for a living. Michael
If a troll is what it takes to bring a self-realization to who you are in spirit, then this issue has purpose.
Ya, Ya ,Ya,...No one likes a complainer. I'm a strong peoples person.
People are more then just numbers.
drop dead troll
This must be too deep of a such for many people.
Thanks PandaMe73 for your well thought about and spoken words.
I'm asking people to look within themselves to see if they hear a voice of some kind knocking at their consciousness of awareness of the personal Being that they are. When you take away the labels we then can become united.
I know lots of great republicans, most are more than just people too, they are damn fine people.
I think the problem is, we've been trained on both sides to see the other as the opposition and have gotten used to arguing differences not negotiating similarities. Plus their party has been sort of hijacked by a minority contingent with the neo-cons, and hasn't represented many of them well -- \
When you see the people here, both supporters and not, either debating about the methods of OWS, the aims, or both, from a conservative slant, but doing it politely, without being demeaning, insulting, dishonest? Or those, who like everyone does in a heated argument, even get defensive, snarky, or frustrated, but aren't complete ass-hats about it? Well this behavior is pretty in line with the average conservative no matter what their party affiliation. Just like those in here playing nice but showing a liberal slant represent what most liberals are generally like.
It's just that unfortunately those folks are so like liberals and moderates that we don't associate them with the neo-con, fox news, glen beck, anti-freedom folks that have taken over as the voice of conservatism and by mixing conservative ideas with propaganda, misinformation, and a winner take all unfairness, have tainted the brand. And so many think of those civil republicans as "one of us" even in disagreement, and don't use what they know of those nice folk to adjust their view of conservatives and republicans more favorably.
But when we start to view the most hostile among them as average instead of the aberration, and the best among them as one of us, we get the same skewed divisive view we complain about them having of liberals or any other outsiders.... sheesh what a vicious circle we have established for our selves,left right and center.
The left has a beligerent and rude contingent too, but they aren't speaking for liberalism as a rule right now, and when they try folks tell em not to, and if not they should--
I do think some folks see people calling out trolls in here and then think it's ok for them to do just because a post disagrees or comes from a conservative mode, without realizing that it should be saved for names and tropes that have an established history of being troll posts, or for outright misinformation, dishonesty, or other mole tactics.
Even then, when someone who has been trolling does actually post something that is civil discussion and not dishonest or aggressive, then they should be treated in kind. Being too quick to cry troll can turn reasonable folks hostile if they get unfairly labeled too often. Continuing to label people trolls when they have stopped, (maybe because in the beginning they trolled here a little out of misunderstanding, but stayed and listened long enough to stop seeing us enemies??) doesn't reward the fact that they have altered their behavior and turns what could be someone coming around and learning right back into a staunch enemy. Both are bad practice for a movement trying to be inclusive and broaden support
I don't know what is up with the extremely hostile, angry, and dishonest conservative folks persistently rabble rousing, being dishonest, etc in here in a clearly concerted effort to taint the image of the movement and reduce morale, but I do know that they aren't your average republican, even if they think so.
And of the ones who are normal republicans, but come off agressively and seem hostile, most are just very afraid because they've been fed a steady diet of propaganda and bullshit that has taken the mode of not just opposing liberal ideas, but misrepresenting them and demonizing liberal people in the process.
To know who's who, unless you recognize a post or poster as using established troll tactics, such as extreme name calling, or dishonesty--ignore the hostility and debate politely and rationally, and the scared/confused/misinformed ones start to calm down and return the favor, while the ones with a more yucky agenda and issues, will up the volume on their mean or will disappear and move to a place where it's easier to pull their BS.
No that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying and ask people to do, is to become an observer of yours and others actions. Then when you made a conscious awareness of who you are act on that. Many times the mind takes over the body and makes us into someone or somebody we're really not. I think that many republicans are single voter issuers and now are being labelled as someone their really not. The republican party teamed up with moral issue's and tricked people into believing they are a Christian Right Wing support group. Are they? I feel NOT. Republicans use fear to get people to vote for them. Where's the love on the gay issue? Gay's are Americans too. Michael, www.equaltogod.com I do have a good message if your interested in hearing it. It's all about choice.
So are you saying don't attach yourself to labels and then become those labels and battle with others that have a label that you have been taught to hate
Oh brother. This a-hole again.
See this is a case in point, even if you have a bad experience with this guy from past posts, this one isn't saying anything unreasonable, and has a title likely to catch the attention and a quick read from unregistered Republicans who may be open minded. But if they see people being unreasonable and seemingly hostile to any defense of republicans, especially without knowing how much trolling has been going on to polarize and divide, then we provide the evidence to support the crap in the media that says we are enemies and this movement has no place for them.