Forum Post: YES DEMOCRACY. NO CAPITALISM
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 4, 2011, 10:13 p.m. EST by gawdoftruth
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from Santa Barbara, CA
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gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
I am all for a DEMOCRATIC FREE MARKET SYSTEM. Capitalism has never existed and is merely a con scam in the corporate oligarchy rigged casino. if it did exist, it could not exist in the same system with democracy the two are mutually exclusive; capitalism is another form of plutocracy and oligarchy.
You misunderstand, our current system is NOT capitalism. It is crony corporatism. There is no competition, because the corporations crush the little guys, and the politicians are bought and sold.
CORPORATISM is the real culprit, the real thief of the American people.
In a truly free market, capitalism reigns and small businesses have the chance to bring innovative products and solutions to people that help the environment, improve people's lives, feed people, etc.
"free" what does that mean? depending on what you spin it as it either means free for robber barons to exploit us all.. or... a controlled market system which is free because individuals are lifted up and empowered by it instead of slaved to it.
"free" does not mean that the corporations have selected and bribed our politicians, WRITTEN the legislation that privatizes their profits while placing their losses on the backs of taxpayers for generations, repealed the Glass-Steagall act so that the brokers and banksters are one and the same.
"free" means that as the little guy, you are able to start your own business without oppressive paperwork, taxes, legislation, mandatory healthcare (without a waiver from your DC buddies), and without getting your butt sued off by the likes of Monsanto (or some other disgustingly powerful corporation that doesn't play fair) or shut down by the FDA (which is run by the former CEO's of the former). How about Gibson guitars, for one?
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to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?
you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.
Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.
o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.
once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.
Admittedly, I was struggling to keep up with some of this. However, I have to say your ideas and explanations resonated strongly with me. I really would like to get a better understanding of these thoughts.
ask a question get an answer? ?
That's nice. A waste of keystrokes, but nice. Ps your big words are confusing the natives.
don't worry, they can look it up.
Too many words. Recommend:
Capitalism bad. Those with more than me bad. Wall street bad Effort bad Compensation bad
And, related themes. Makes better posters. Just sayin.
capitalism is not bad its just one spot in the evolutionary chain and a place to go we don't have time for since its time was robbed by corporate oligarchy. A free market system is awesome. i'm not going to talk like i am as stupid as you are just because your frustrated that i'm smart.I don't make posters. Trite simple truths usually aren't, because there are always so many pesky details.
Details like having a coherent cause for which to protest...
Less insults more solutions please
good point there, can't argue that..
fuck democracy thats just the precursor to communism. the white race has blessed you fools with a republic and all you know how to do is wipe your asses with it
right, so thats attacking the only real solution, a total failure there in terms of cause and effect, since democracy is not a precursur to communism, racist remarks, and then a failure to understand that republic is oligarchy and its simply not as good as genuine democracy. So. your ignorant and trolling.
right, so thats attacking the only real solution, a total failure there in terms of cause and effect, since democracy is not a precursur to communism, racist remarks, and then a failure to understand that republic is oligarchy and its simply not as good as genuine democracy. So. your ignorant and trolling.