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Forum Post: Yanis Chased from Syriza

Posted 2 years ago on July 14, 2015, 7:57 a.m. EST by turbocharger (1756)
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Yanis was the man. Fuck the tie, fuck talking to everyone like they are some kind of royalty. Fuck the whole concept of royalty, actually.

Syriza is composed of all of the smaller leftist groups throughout Greece, coming together to fight the machine. Very similar to occupy in many aspects, only this was in a political sphere, not a populist sphere, and its was overwhelmingly left political (not a lot of libertarian or anarchist influence).

With that being said, Yanis is now talking. And its not pretty. In that short time, even with all of that momentum, the others that made up Tsipras got scared, and out goes Yanis.

Yanis sensed momentum, which is something most politicians are numb to. They simply don't move that fast, they are slow moving human beings (think of the time after the 08 elections..... nothing but waiting). In real life,when you sense that momentum, you go harder. You ride that wave. In politics, that wave usually scares politicians.

But most politicians arent Yanis.

This is disturbing but pretty in line with what seems to usually happen.

Thanks to our friends at Zerohedge for bringing some incredible analysis as usual.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-13/yanis-varoufakis-merkels-control-over-eurogroup-absolute-they-are-beyond-law

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[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 60m60 minutes ago

Max picks a fight with Merkel: "I'm coming for you." Keiser Report: Lethal Bloodlettings for Greece (E783) https://youtu.be/tgYKebRxEtw

Beautiful World ‏@4beautifulworld 8m8 minutes ago

."#GreekCrisis : #Protests in #Athens turn violent as #Tsipras urges MPs to back him" http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jul/15/greek-crisis-mps-bailout-imf-debt-relief-alexis-tsipras-live …… And,the good reason why??? #OXI

Shadz ‏@Shadz66 3h3 hours ago

.#Greece~#ThisIsACoup BUT Big #Banks are being bailed out!! Eg.#DeutscheBank #UBS #CréditLyonnais #JPMorgan #Citibank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcBmitvwKZM#t=123 … View media

.#ThisIsACoup as #IMF/#ECB #Bankers seek to turn a Crisis into a Catastrophe - so that they can asset strip #Greece!!

.#ThisIsACoup as #Greece is Pauperised & Privatised before Predators & Parasites move in but #Banks don't care about:

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

"We Are All Greeks Now" Chris Hedges:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/we_are_all_greeks_now_20150712

"Human life is of no concern to corporate capitalists. The suffering of the Greeks, like the suffering of ordinary Americans, is very good for the profit margins of financial institutions such as Goldman Sachs."

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

We must secure the existence of working class peoples and a future for all children.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

This will only be done if the global 99% collaborate together because, believe me, the global 1% are in it together and going strong. Banks not tanks are taking down Greece right now. Who's next?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Actually, the banks and hedge funds have already "unloaded" to the troika (Eurogroup, ECB, and IMF) years ago. Being very busy good farmers, the taxpayers of Europe and elsewhere (through IMF) find themselves standing behind the finance industry's operational manure spreader.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

China's banks perhaps?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

Yes, the BRICS nations may do things entirely differently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

China has the foreign reserves to act as the greatest hedge fund the world has ever seen. It has engaged in forming new international banks to rival the IMF and World Banks. It can certainly give the troika a run for their money in rescuing Greece.

A hedge fund can make tremendous rates of return investing in nearly bankrupt companies and turning them around. Mitt Romney pioneered private equity investing to take over ENTIRE companies and reforming them - he certainly became very rich by doing that. If he had invested in U.S. Treauries, he would probably be at the mercy of the leeches.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

sounds like the people are at the mercy of the hedge funds

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Most people who have jobs can easily be at the mercy of the hedge funds. They actually work for the "banking" leeches ultimately. Hedge funds make markets, even for left-for-dead businesses, so they can work well in the financial ecosystem cleaning up the roadkills like vultures do.

China, Donald Trump, and Mitt Romney can make a good troika for Greece. Donald knows the art of threatening to declare bankruptcy (without doing so, of course) to extract concessions from the banks. Mitt Romney knows how to restructure companies. Asking him to take on Greece may well be harder because Greece is a country but with China's backing (foreign reserves, credits and credibility, PLA, and nuclear arsenal), it may very well be a success. Founded as an agricultural hyperpower, China may very well farm the manure with glee and succeed.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

tanks to enforce bank law

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

Ahh, but what is more powerful today, the tank....or the bank?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

until each person is credited with their own ability to create money\ we will be dependent on another source

a propose a base monthly income so that we may vote with our dollar

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

I'm all for a basic income guarantee. Work will become obsolete very soon as we cope with the end of capitalism and people will still need to eat and live decent lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

and entrepreneurs will be able to work to receive our money

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

exactly

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Yes, indeed, money buys tanks; tanks speak from their turrets - First Amendment right of free speech.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Greece was “set up” by eurozone leaders in dealings to address the economic crisis, Varoufakis later told the New Statesman, adding Germany was responsible for the view of the Eurogroup.

“Oh completely and utterly,” he said. “Not attitudes – the finance minister of Germany. It is all like a very well-tuned orchestra and he is the director.”

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/14/golden-dawn-will-be-strengthened-by-worse-austerity-yanis-varoufakis-warns

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

"Yanis Varoufakis on GreekCrisis" - Greece's former finance minister's first Post-Resignation Interview: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42368.htm Yes ''#ThisIsACoup'' so, Resistance Is Vital!

I twinkled your excellent comment but to no avail it seems. No matter. We forge on for The 99% because - https://twitter.com/PodemosInter/status/574302153977757696/photo/1 + fyi consider: http://occupywallst.org/forum/greece-as-victim-by-paul-krugman/#comment-766653

SOLIDARITY & Ζήτω η Ελλάδα [Zito Ellada = Viva Greece!] Their Struggle is ours!

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

“This is indeed the politics of humiliation,”

skewed income distribution must be justified

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''Treason Charges: What Lurks Behind the Bizarre Allegations'' by Dr.Yanis Varoufakis:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42516.htm from which, I briefly excerpt..

''The bizarre attempt to have me indicted on… treason charges, allegedly for conspiring to push Greece out of the Eurozone, reflects something much broader.

''It reflects a determined effort to de-legitimise our five-month long (25th January to 5th July 2015) negotiation with a troika incensed that we had the audacity to dispute the wisdom and efficacy of its failed program for Greece.

''The aim of my self-styled persecutors is to characterise our defiant negotiating stance as an aberration, an error or, even better from the perspective of Greece’s troika-friendly oligarchic establishment, as a ‘crime’ against Greece’s national interest.

''The proud and honest negotiation that the SYRIZA government conducted from the first day we were elected has already changed Europe’s public debates for the better. The debate about the democratic deficit afflicting the Eurozone is now unstoppable. Alas, the troika’s domestic cheerleaders do not seem able to bear this historic success. Their efforts to criminalise it will crash on the same shoals that wrecked their blatant propaganda campaign against the ‘No’ vote in the 5th July referendum: the great majority of the fearless Greek people.''

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You just got to love Yanis!

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

The joys of new parties getting a shot to speak the truth.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''Greece Is For Sale – And Everything Must Go''.... by Nick Dearden

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42665.htm + excerpt:

''Why does this matter? First because makes no sense to sell off valuable assets in the middle of Europe’s worst depression in 70 years. Those industries could generate revenues to help the Greek government rebuild the economy. In fact, the vast majority of the funds raised will go back to the creditors in debt repayments, and to the recapitalisation of Greek banks.

''So the privatisations aren’t to do with helping Greece. The beneficiaries are corporations from around the world, though eyebrows are particularly being raised at the number of European companies – from German airport operators and phone companies to French railways – who are getting their hands on Greece’s economy. Not to mention the European investment banks and legal firms who are making a fast buck along the way. The self-interest of European governments in forcing these policies on Greece leaves a particularly unpleasant flavour.

''Most important is the inequality this will entrench in Greek society for decades to come. Of course the fact that the state currently holds these assets is no guarantee of democracy. Clientelism is rife in Greece. But the answer is transparency and democracy, just as German citizens are currently trying to take back energy companies into collective ownership because they see this as a prerequisite for fair pricing and supporting renewable energy.

''What won’t help is flogging off monopolies to private corporations who have no interest in Greece’s people. Workers will be sacked and their conditions made worse, while the elite of Europe profits. Greece’s government will have lost the ability to make its society function in the interests of ordinary people.

''But then, I suspect that’s the point.''

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

If the idiot voters of the USA would wake up we might be able to avoid this shit.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

So Tsipras resigns in Greece - but what do people in USA, UK, Germany & EU etc. .. really know about what happened to Greece? Please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLB3uu1IXM0 & do consider http://occupywallst.org/forum/who-is-syriza/#comment-1065448 (2nd Video) Both = Excellent Doc.Films

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Well YV still had a go and had a Thwack At W/Banksters! Bless him for trying and we haven't heard the last of him, which is exactly why they want to incarcerate him actually lol. Here is a very relevant follow on piece by the GR8 Ellen Brown: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42514.htm Solidarity!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

Yanis Varoufakis voted OXI, NO, tonight, 7/15/15, in the Greek Parliamentary vote going against a somewhat timid PM Tsipras who was battered by the Troika on Sunday night.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

As This Is A Coup in Greece, get on "The Trail of the Troika" - an absolutely 'Must-See' documentary film for all those who really wish to understand the situation in Greece, with the IMF, the ECB & EU- http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42394.htm (Video)= The Best Doc on this matter imo.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

It's kind of like micro vs. macro. Think of individual credit card debt and student loan debt and mortgage debt and how people get into that and then apply the same rules to nations. It is very similar. And, the creation of money and debt is probably the biggest problem of our times. People take on debt and then think they have money, but debt is not money! It's debt! And, it comes back to haunt you, especially when it's odious debt or when the interest is usury, which is just about 100% of the time.

This is a global problem. A debt jubilee wiping out all debt would create a clean slate and then new global rules about the creation of money could clean this mess up.

The "Trail of the Troika" is fantastic in how it shows what happened to Greece and what is happening around the world.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Alas and for sure .. '' the creation of money and debt is probably the biggest problem of our times'' - and therefore.. a ''debt jubilee wiping out all debt would create a clean slate and then new global rules about the creation of money could clean this mess up'' as Compound Interest is The Evil of our or any, times!

Sometimes the whole faux complexity has to be dissolved and distilled and recrystalized for the simple truths to clearly emerge.Thank you bw for the clear insightful reply.Meanwhile, while all that Mysterious Magic Money Matrix Mularkey just continues, the US-MIC forges on with its Imperial Strategy To Keep Us Cooking On Gas! http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42577.htm - by Dr. Nafeez Ahmed & see: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/freshmen-congresspeople-sabotage .. for how USG is co-opted!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

Until Americans can overcome their need for consumption and their love of violence, which stems from an ethos based on capitalism and materialism, I'm afraid they can talk about sustainability all they want, but the continued raping and pillaging of resources and foreign peoples will continue.

Nafeez Ahmed: "Of course, the US Army’s recognition of the urgency of transitioning to more resilient and sustainable ways of using energy, land and water is heartening. It shows that environmental concerns are not merely the province of green activists, but are increasingly acknowledged at the highest levels of military power.

But the geopolitical context of the US Army’s new energy strategy highlights the chronic short-sightedness of US military planners. The Army’s sustainability strategy is ultimately about maintaining US military dominance despite resource scarcity, while safeguarding the wider fossil fuel system – not changing it.

The unswerving commitment to protecting business-as-usual, the fatalistic capitulation to a future of expanding oil dependence, and the blinkered belief that global economic health is tied to endless resource exploitation, all show that US policymakers still have their heads in the sand.

If Pentagon officials really want to defend US national security, they must wake up to the fact that the global system itself must undergo a fundamental transformation, in which economic stability is no longer dependent on the unlimited consumption of fossil fuels."

[-] 3 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''The Depressing Secret Behind Donald Trump's Appeal: America's Love of Narcissists - All the pundits looking for political explanations are missing it.'' by Steven Rosenfeld - http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/depressing-secret-behind-donald-trumps-appeal-americas-love-narcissists?sc=tw = A Good Read

Thanks for your revealing excerpt from Nafeez Ahmed, who is one of THE pre-eminent scholars of 'Near Future Speculation', imo. I append the article re. Trump to contrast with Yanis Varoufakis & to touch on a Deeper Truth about The American Body Politic and, the Culture and kind of Society that leads from it!

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

"But his appeal may have even more to do with his personality. No one pushes Trump around, and no insult goes unanswered. He fights back. He is not cautious or fearful of offending a critic or any of America’s adversaries."

“Why We Love Narcissists,” they are masterful impression managers, manipulate credit and blame in their favor, and fit the stereotype expected form leaders: overconfident, charismatic and selfish."

Sad sigh. America loves the superficial hubris of the bully.

[-] 3 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Style over Substance and Packaging over Content is the name of The Corporate Game in The U$A!

Also fyi - http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/32256-if-you-liked-the-iraq-war-you-ll-love-the-iran-war

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[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Keep in mind people tend to rally around loser politicians no matter what.

So while globalization continues to kick the empire's ass, rallying around someone declaring to stop the insanity is not that far of a stretch, regardless of how insane they are lol.

Peace bro

[-] 3 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Alas, Stockholm Syndrome has so many of The Corporate MSM Programmed 99% in its thrall but - Resistance Is Fertile! + http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/koch-brother-claims-he-is-a-libertarian-but-he-wants-to-control-a-lot-of-our-choices Peace and Solidarity to u&yours for #S17 #4!!

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