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Forum Post: Will Occupy be able to help me?

Posted 10 years ago on Dec. 11, 2011, 5:14 p.m. EST by jwcalifo (1) from Pleasanton, CA
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So, I am about to graduate college and I will start to have some disposable income soon. I wish to invest it wisely with a firm that has my interests in mind. Will Occupy be able to steer me towards a firm like that? If not then what will you do for me because that is the only service I, and most of the 99%, truly need?



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[-] 4 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago

Just because you are graduating college doesn't make you the sharpest tool in the shed. Occupy will best help you now by educating you about injustices you have been conditioned to accept, and how the 1% loves to use people like you for their own benefit, to your detriment.

[-] 2 points by jwcalifo (1) from Pleasanton, CA 10 years ago

thats the most directly useful and relevent thing i've heard occupy say

[-] -1 points by Slammersworld (210) 10 years ago

Yeah...that's good advice...listen to them so you'll have a chip on your shoulder about your potential employers...then you won't have to worry about whether or not you'll ever get a job....you won't

[-] 3 points by randart (498) 10 years ago

Graduating from college with disposable income. Hmmm. You must be a trustafarian. If you took out loans to go through college then you will be in hock for about the next twenty years of your life.

[-] 1 points by Slammersworld (210) 10 years ago

Or he could have worked his way through...

[-] 3 points by jwhite (13) 10 years ago

click the red link on top, send all of your disposable income there. we are a trustworthy firm, that has your interests in mind.

[-] 3 points by nucleus (3291) 10 years ago


[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 10 years ago

You don't contribute much other than troll do you?

[-] 1 points by nucleus (3291) 10 years ago

It is apparent that you don't read much.

[-] 3 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 10 years ago

My advice is join the movement. Give whatever disposable income you have to the movement. There are many good causes that you can work for and earn a living at. I would look at nonprofits and such fields as teaching and social work. The job market is extremely tight right now, especially for young people and I personally do not expect it to get better, which is why I say, first and foremost, join the movement. It will probably change your life.

[-] 1 points by Slammersworld (210) 10 years ago

Yeah...give to the movement...they'll give a good return on the money....

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 10 years ago

Yes, the more you give the movement, the greater will be the rewards.

[-] 1 points by Slammersworld (210) 10 years ago

yeah, buddy...we'll see how that works out, hahaha

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 10 years ago

The alternative to everyone contributing everything that they humanly can to OWS is simply too horrifying to contemplate.

[-] 1 points by Slammersworld (210) 10 years ago

yeah...like maybe they save and intelligently invest it for the future...that is horrifying...

[-] 2 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 10 years ago

seek Wall Street's advice on investing

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 10 years ago

The future is with a just, truly democratic, peaceful and loving society, not with corporatism that rapes and pillages the 99%, most of whom do not have the resources to invest a dime in their corrupt inhumane system.

[-] 1 points by Slammersworld (210) 10 years ago

I don't accept the 99/1 false dichotomy.....so sell it to the other fools who do..

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 10 years ago

If OWS are fools then why in the world are you on a website dedicated to its values? I certainly wouldn't waste my time on a website whose values were antithetical to my own.

[-] 1 points by Slammersworld (210) 10 years ago

there's hope for everyone...I'm here to bring in the ray of truth

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 10 years ago

And you do this presumably by insulting the movements that people value. There are differences within the OWS community which I would like to discuss with my comrades in that community. I know there are differences among the opponents of OWS. Why don't you go talk to them? I'm sure you would find it considerably more rewarding.

[-] 1 points by Slammersworld (210) 10 years ago

why don't you stay out of public area's and out of the streets and sidewalks with your protests, and talk amongst yourselves....I and my fellow citizens would like to freely use the public commons without having to see and smell the filth....

But, since there is the right to free speech, you are not protected from my opinions any more than I am from yours.....see, it works both ways...you idiots and your demonstrations have always been left alone by those who disagreed, while you tormented them, giving you the idea that you could say and do anything without challenge....it's a new day, and our message will be right there beside yours, count on it from now on.....there is no place you can hide and operate, plan and scheme in secret to deprive us of our rights,,,,,we will infiltrate you, just as you attempted to infiltrate us.....

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 10 years ago

Have you ever been to an occupation? Certainly they are a bit messy. Mostly because they tend to be overcrowded, but I haven't found them any messier than some camp sights that I have been to and certainly not especially smelly.

The purpose of OWS is most certainly not to torment people and I don't personally know of any people who were genuinely tormented by OWS. certainly some people might have found it distressing, though according to most polls, most people agree with the issues OWS is raising. But the point of free speech is that inevitibly it makes some people uncomfortable. As far as inconvenience goes it seems to me that the current police blockade of Zuccotti Park is much more inconvenient to people who choose to transit the park than the occupation ever was.

I am most certainly for your free speech, but I suppose I am as confused by what you are for as some of OWS critics are about what it is for. You say we are idiots, but I don't know what you are for.

I really don't know what you are talking about in terms of secret meetings and plans. I have been active in OWS since day one and as far as I can see all of the General Assemblies where all decisions are made and all Working Group meetings are completely open and transparent. The only restrictions that I am aware of are from people who clearly did not share the basic premises and values of the group. But every group does that. I would not expect a group that I opposed to welcome me to one of its meetings if my only purpose was to disrupt it and keep it from conducting business.

I do not know of any efforts of any OWS activist to try to "infiltrate" any group opposed to OWS. In terms of OWS being infiltrated, of course we have to be able to conduct meetings in an orderly way and we do have to be wary of provocateurs and police agents, but other than that OWS meetings are the most open and transparent I have ever attended.

[-] 1 points by Slammersworld (210) 10 years ago

Are you kidding? Zucotti Park still smells even after it was cleaned...

The local businesses went to the city council about the mess and loss of business, please don't try and rewrite history, as those of your persuasion always do...Own it...

Most people to NOT agree with OWS, just because there are issues in common doesn't make your efforts popular...large numbers of people agree with the tea-party ideas's to, but the tea party isn' as popular as a group....

The comment about secret meeting isn't OWS specific, it's about all the little collectivist/anarchist splinter groups that make up parts of OWS that do the secret meetings and scheme how they will disrupt society....

I know you want to paint the OWS movement as something neat, orderly, and peaceful.....but the results and tactics have been far from that...Don't try and change the facts to suite what you wish were true, own what is true...or disavow yourselves of the disruptive element....officially denouncing their tactics and behaviors...

But, I don't see that happening, it's a wink/smile connection, you can pretend you are affiliated and they can create disorder and practice vandalism and mob intimidation.....

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 10 years ago

I have been to Zuccotti Park many times before and since the occuaption. I have never noticed any significant smell, then or now. The strongest smell in Zuccott Park comes from the food carts surrounding it and they were there before the occupation started.

What constitutes support for OWS is, of course, up for dispute. Most people, for example, don't vote, but I don't think it would be fair to extrapolate from there that most people don't support the government. Yes, OWS has minority support, but it is extremely strong minority support on an order that any Republican currently running for President would love to have.

As far as anarchist influence in OWS that is no secret nor has it ever been. Many of he initiators of OWS are strongly influenced by the anarchist intellectual tradition and they have never hidden this or made a secret of it. They are very open about their politics. There are tiny, organized anarchist groups, just as there are tiny, organized socialist groups. There are no prohibitions on joining in and participating in these groups if you share their perspectives. There is absolutely nothing secret about it.

In terms of disruption the primary group responsible for that is the Direct Action Working Group and there are no political litmus tests to join it. It is open to everyone and its meetings are open. It is responsible for planning most of the actions of OWS.

The civil disobedience practiced by OWS is not intended to be neat. It is intended to be disruptive. That is the whole point of civil disobedience, to disrupt the normal functioning of civil society to get people to begin to think about the issues the demonstration is raising. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it resonates with the public and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes an action is well thought through and sometimes it isn't. But most certainly people do not set out to be beaten by police with a lot of gratuitious violence which has been the case at demonstrations everywhere, a fact that many people who are quite hostile to both OWS and its tactics openly acknowledge.

[-] 2 points by deGrene (199) 10 years ago

To paraphrase JFK -- "Ask not what OWS can do your you; ask what you can do for OWS."

[-] 1 points by Frizzle (520) 10 years ago

That's exactly what i thought when i saw this thread. :)

[-] 1 points by TheMaster (63) 10 years ago

Get a tent, some warm clothes and mooch off the public. That's the OWS way.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 10 years ago

First, order a Tesla Model S : 100% American made, all electric, 300 mile range, seats 5 adults and two toddlers, and does 0-60 in about 5 seconds. People who can afford these cutting edge, environmentally sound, American made products should step up ! See it at http://www.teslamotors.com/models

In broader terms, keep an eye on Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla as well as other well known start-ups. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_musk and the wonderful interview with him at http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11984 . He has a social conscience, he understands engineering, and his products are top notch.

The stock is TSLA on NASDAQ, and you can see Morgan Stanley's recent assessment at http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2011/12/08/tesla-morgan-stanley-turns-bearish-from-concept-to-reality/

[-] 1 points by fansmiles (24) from New York, NY 10 years ago

Just get experience. Get involved and learn. Then use your experience to help others...

[-] 1 points by doncopemanw (1) 10 years ago

We don't get accurate news about Zuccoti Park up here in Ogdensburg, NY. Is anything new going on there? Did you get the tents back up at all?

[-] 1 points by fansmiles (24) from New York, NY 10 years ago

I don't think that you can speak for the 99%. No capitalist corporation has your interest in mind, only its own greedy interest. Some are better that others but in the end, you are a cow and only your milk matters. Once you have no milk, they will kick your ass for butter and if no butter is produced will sell you for meat. Forget about yourself and think about the world you are going to live in. I feel bad for young people. And yet, I feel hopeful that they will change the way they deal with each other. They will have to do just that or perish from the folly of human self delusion.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 10 years ago

Well my first question would be how much you have at your disposal.

[-] 1 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 10 years ago

Try asking Wall Street

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 10 years ago

Whatever you invest in, make sure you know about that company and understand what it does and how it operates. If you don't understand it don't invest.

[-] 1 points by professorzed (308) from Hamilton, ON 10 years ago

I say start your own business, and I highly recommend a food co-op. Right now there is a bill to try and make all homegrown organic food ILLEGAL, and organic food stores in the United States (and California), have been raided by the Police. The government wants to take the ability to grow food away from the people. If you think about this, it's very, very scary.

The way an organic food co-op was able to get around the Police raids was to make it a 'members only' club.

We really need to start establishing food security. Everyone needs to eat, and when the government tries to make it illegal to grow your own food you are completely helpless and dependant on corporate Agriculture.

[-] 0 points by friendlyopposition (574) 10 years ago

What bill is that? Also - if it isn't already illegal to grow or sell organic food, why were the police raiding stores?

[-] 1 points by professorzed (308) from Hamilton, ON 10 years ago

Senate Bill S510. "The food safety modernization act."

  1. It puts all food under the authority of the Department of Homeland security. 2. It puts control of US food under the control of the World Trade Organization. 3. It puts companies like Monsanto in control of distributing genetically engineered seeds, which they have the copyright for.

Who would argue that this is a good thing?


[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 10 years ago

Interesting. How does it put control of US food under WTO?

[-] 1 points by professorzed (308) from Hamilton, ON 10 years ago

Under the juristiction of the WTO. To grow food for yourself in the United States, you have to go by the guidelines set out by the World Trade Organization.

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 10 years ago

This is the only reference to the WTO in the document: "Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed in a manner inconsistent with the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization or any other treaty or international agreement to which the United States is a party." This bill does not put the WTO in control of food in the US, only states that we will not make laws in contrary to our international agreements.

[-] 0 points by HarryPairatestes2 (380) from Barrow, AK 10 years ago

In 2010 a store in Venice, California was raided for selling raw milk.

[-] 1 points by WarmItUp (301) 10 years ago

Sure happy to help, choosing where to invest your money is the most important decision we can make in influencing the direction of our country. Every dollar you invest in a company is a vote of confidence and a monetary loan with the hopes that the company is successful. There are many "socially concious" investment strategies out there. I prefer to invest in american companies only, specifically solar and green technology companies, I make a decent return even in this economy, investing should be done with a long view, clean energy is hte future, invest in those technologies now and you will have quite an amazing portfolio when it comes time to cash out. Of course diversity is the key to any investment strategy, I would not go strictly with green energy, there are socially conscious funds that invest in a broad range of sectors.

I would be very careful as some of the lists of socially responsible companies include walmart and similar as they do donate a lot for "charity" (tax write off) You can't complain about not getting a job out of college when you invest only in high growth chinese stocks. that is a short term and destrucitve way to invest. Give some thought to what your ideals are. And invest accordingly. are you intersted in genetic research or nano tech these are where the future american jobs will be.

These folks have been in green investing for 20 years http://www.greenmoneyjournal.com/

Googling "socially responsible investing" will turn up a good deal of information.

[-] 0 points by stuartchase (861) 10 years ago

I would avoid doing business with this company.


The Revolution starts here!

[-] 0 points by Tinhorn (285) 10 years ago

No, because then you might become part of the 1% that they hate so much.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 10 years ago

I suggest you send all your money to the republicrats.

[-] 0 points by FriendIyobserver (-28) 10 years ago

I don't like your tone. As leader of the OWS movement you are banished from this website. Don't come back ever.

-Chest Rockwell

[-] 0 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 10 years ago

Buy beer stocks, everybody loves beer, it's egalitarian and tasty!

[-] -1 points by DunkiDonut2 (-108) 10 years ago

If people want to revolt they should direct their hate toward liberal universities that prod you into huge student loans. Professors make $170,000 a year, not bad. However, many teach the same course with the same class studies for 5 to 7 years. That means they use "leftovers" over and over again at full price. But you LOVED your liberal professor because he was COOOOOlllllll and he opened your little mush mind to liberal free thinking ideas. As you found out, those liberal ideas left you with a STUPIDLY huge student loan. But you blame the banks for you being stupid. Go figure.

[-] -1 points by DunkiDonut2 (-108) 10 years ago

I suggest a perpetual fund. I suggest you diversify and buy in two stock segments. Those two segments are going to show a huge increase in sales. First, buy tent stock and second, buy stock in a pepper spray company. You will see your income rise.

[-] 0 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago


[-] -1 points by jwcalifo (1) from Pleasanton, CA 10 years ago

har de har har... :)


[-] -3 points by friendlyopposition (574) 10 years ago

BAE Systems out of Great Britain owns Armor Holdings which makes pepper spray. They are traded publicly. You're welcome.

[-] 1 points by simplesimon (121) 10 years ago


[+] -4 points by DunkiDonut2 (-108) 10 years ago

Thanks. I will check it out.

[+] -4 points by DunkiDonut2 (-108) 10 years ago

I would also bet there will be a rise in sales of crab sprays and herpie ointment. Buy low.

[-] 1 points by simplesimon (121) 10 years ago