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Forum Post: Why We Failed

Posted 6 years ago on Jan. 26, 2014, 12:50 p.m. EST by psychusa123 (8) from Brooklyn, NY
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I'm an aging 60's radical. I certainly don't have all the answers and I don't think for a second I'm smarter than any of the younger folks here. But I've probably been involved in 20 or more political organizations in my lifetime, from the Weatherman (briefly) to the Brooklyn Democrats for Change. I feel I know some things that younger folks need to know that I've learned. You have probably learned some of them already. Mostly I know about failure. And I'm not afraid to admit it. We at times can be our own worst enemy.

I have met the enemy, and he/she is very powerful. But so can we be . We achieved things that Koch and company are still working 24/7 to take away. We also failed to build a more permanent vehicle for change. And we often destroyed ourselves.

To survive we need to look closely at ourselves. Because we can also be our own enemy. We can be competitive, arrogant, selfish, paranoid, too stoned, you name it, we were not that much different sometimes than the forces we wanted to oppose. We failed because we had no one to assist or advise us, but had many who wanted to destroy us. Only a hand full of us could stand the difficulties an organizer faced. So we burned out. Like shooting stars in the night.

Some of us are still around. We'd like to share our experiences with you. We went through many of the same things, despite all the new technology today. We'd like to feel that all we did back in the "old days" was not in vain. We'd like to see folks succeed where we failed.

If I had one bit of corny advice to give, it would be to find a way to build a supportive organization that can help you survive the tremendous political and emotional obstacles you will face. You will find that only a few will stay for the duration and do the hard work that is necessary. It's like an extended family. Without those bonded relations, you are nothing.

I've accomplished much in my life, but failed to produce anything lasting that still survives. I'm hoping you all do much better.



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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 6 years ago

You have NOT failed !!! We're in a process & it's generational !! Thanx for the great post tho' ! Consider :

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8258) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

OWS is no longer a factor in policy becaused it failed to affect the polical process, the TEA Party still affects policy even though vastly more people align with the positions of OWS. Those who push to keep OWS from the Denocrtic primaries have effectively "won" and OWS has become a footnote instead of a bellweather, it is really sad considing the force it could have been.

I look down the thread and news pieces why are we not pushing repel of cap gain and div tax? tax all income the same, makes sense, but not a word it seems why?

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 6 years ago

No, OWS has NOT ''failed'' frf !!! It's ONLY been 30 months ffs !! The Tea Party was an insurgent, 'astro-turf' Koch movement ! Time for some perseverance and perspective, so perhaps please try to consider :

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[-] 1 points by gsw (3324) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 6 years ago

Right. Income inequality is now comprehended as an issue. pbs news hour Mark Shields spoke on this, and how our society, where jobs and wages was once a value, now is corporate earnings, with corporations having too much influence. 2-7-2014. I believe he mentioned importance of worker owned manufacturing.

Obama wants to raise minimum wage to 10 an hour, and we can't get it, so there is a long way to go on inequality, minimum should be 20 indexed to inflation.

[-] 0 points by northernlights (14) 6 years ago

Yes I saw Mark Shield's analysis on the economy Friday night, and I couldn't help think how Occupy-ish it sounded. This is very positive. Here's the link, and what he had to say is covered in the first 4 mins.


[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

useless jobs reports

people need food, water and shelter

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

goldman sacs just told me they control the capital

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

I got an ad telling me I can't get funded without bowing to goldman sachs

[-] -1 points by northernlights (14) 6 years ago

I have no control over that. Keep trying until you get an ad you like.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8258) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

You’re whistling past the graveyard shadz, have you heard about how the current thought is the GOP stand a good chance of winning the majority in the Senate? This is at a time when it is well known the top 1% have gotten 95% of recent gains, the news that the rich are very rich does seem to be getting out there, what people don’t seem to understand is what staunch supporters of Monarchy the GOP is, so they win power and influence in public policy and are positioned to make the rich richer and their money ever more powerful by gutting all other forms of power. But still I’m sure folks like yourself are still far more concerned with the shortcomings of the Dems than you are about the raising power of the GOP.

Links are cool but I don't need more homework, tell me what you find important when you read them.

[-] 1 points by psychusa123 (8) from Brooklyn, NY 6 years ago

Thanks. Keep up the Good Fight!

[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 6 years ago

''Major Social Transformation Is a Lot Closer Than You May Realize - How Do We Finish the Job ?'', by Margaret Flowers MD & Kevin Zeese, JD :

Solidarity 'p123'.

pax ...

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8258) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Unfocused, lack of fundementals, we are on a path to the return of Monarcy, it's not hard to see, it's just hard to believe. We inpart money with the mystic of "freedom" because in our lives we equate money with freedom to do and have what we want, then we recoil aganist any attempt to limit the power of money because that limits "freedom" by doing so we yield all power to money which is then passed down through famlies, ie Monarcy. I said it another way in this silly short YouTube.


[-] 1 points by elf3 (4198) 6 years ago

The weatherman failed because they bombed a building and accidentally killed someone...sheer fucking stupidity ego and blatantly giving the fbi everything they needed to bury you and now you're all off investing in your soybean futures pretending you are still revolutionaries and creative entrepreneurs getting paid to tell your egoic stories and I personally want none of your association with this movement retelling the same old stories of the hippie yesteryear and not acknowledging since they all sold out they made the new challenges this generation faces today a billion times harder because everyone has tired of your washed up burn out movement and refuse to acknowledge that these are different worse challenges in far different worse times and you gave the power elites all the tools of the trade ready made to prevent anything like it ever again all while jumping on the consumer trainbaby boomer consumer train yeahaa...everybody all on board! But above all the biggest reason YOU failed is because you failed to get MAINSTREET working classon board assuming they were all like you and had the luxury of running off and jumpin on a train or underground for years

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

did they really ?

dress down the military ?

[-] -3 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 years ago


[+] -6 points by harrythetroll (-32) 6 years ago

You're a failure.