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Forum Post: Why vote? Isn't that against what OWS stands for?

Posted 6 years ago on May 31, 2012, 6:11 a.m. EST by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY
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Occupy stands for diversity of tactics.

I am an elderly man not in the best of health. The last time I voted was in 1968 but I am going to vote this time hell or high water. Here is why:

It is obvious that the one percenters had favored Obama in '08. He was just the man for the job. He "kept hope alive" and possibly forestalled the birth of the Occupy Movement. BAD OBAMA!

He had more campaign money than McCain had. McCain was convinced to have a very negative running mate, a notoriously ignorant and backward person. Given the racism that is rampant in this country Wall Street needed all the help it could get to elect the pacifier, Obama.

Things are not the same now. Obama has "served his purpose." Romney has raised much more money than Obama has.

In Wisconsin the one percent seem to have made a decisive choice, one which any progressive person should instinctively oppose. Governor Walker has raised 25 times more money than the Democrats, who are staffed by Occupy's natural base and who are being abandoned by the National Democratic Party. This two party one two punch at our brothers and sisters ought to be rebuffed.

Romney is a member of a very deceptive cult. A racist cult. A lying cult. A fast growing cult. An anti Gay cult. A totalitarian cult. A bizarre cult. His election would not only energize the Tea Party, our mortal enemies, it would strengthen the recruitment of this very dangerous cult, LDS and dishearten and demoralize Occupy's natural base.

I know that Occupy's non leaders are anarchists and they oppose elections under the present system in principle. Also there are legal reasons for Occupy not to endorse any candidate or work for one. That is fine and should be that way. Individuals though must follow their consciences. Think strategically. You don't have to give up the battle in the streets and other arenas in order to take a short period of time to vote.


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[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

There is nothing stopping occupiers from helping campaigns. I personally know a few that are working for Obama, a few that are working for Ron Paul, and one that is working for Gary Johnson.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 6 years ago

People don't have to vote for politicians to be politically involved. They can vote on initiatives and support affidavits on specific issues for candidates to sign http://occupywallst.org/forum/political-organization-rather-than-political-party/ . The signed affidavit doesn't mean you have to vote for any candidate who signs but it does mean that with enough voter signatures behind it, a candidate will be pressured to sign to not lose a significant number of potential votes.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

Voting is awesome. Voting for frauds is the bad idea.

people should be allowed to vote on more issues though instead of a person to vote for them.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

ows has been been against voting

June 5 Tuesday Election

Fly your flag

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 6 years ago

Hell YES!! Numbskulls!!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago


[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

honesty, this issue makes me queasy..
I do not believe that a man's religion should be an issue.
But I also think his BELIEFS should be. ASSUMING he believes all of this crap, remember that some RELIGIONS believe that a man in a funny hat should be able to tell you you can't get into heaven, and that condoms cause aids, or that if you kill people and apologize you will get into heaven, or others tell you that if you blow yourself up with the infadels you will get 72 virgins, or others that tell you if you blow up an abortion clinic or burn a Koran, you are good.
There are a lot of very sick religions out there.
I'm glad that God took the time to "invent" us
when man started to create religion, He should have started over.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Too bad. There needs to be a gloves off knock down kickem in the nuts campaign, like you actually want to win.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Thanks much.

[-] 1 points by OccNoVi (415) 6 years ago

Dr. Martin Luther King vs. AdBusters.

Make your own choice.

[-] 2 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 6 years ago

I don't want to put down Adbusters. Kalle and friends initiated OWS which has helped change the landscape for the better. I think history will smile on them.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

if you believe in christ, according to websters dictionary, you are a cultist. Name calling does not a case make, so what is your case? What is your basis for hating a people because of their belief in Christ?

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 6 years ago

Ah, there are cults perhaps and then there are cults. If you really look into Mormonism you will see it is a regimented movement, not like Methodists or Reform Jews, let's say. And the kicker is that they have a living prophet who speaks for God in their world. People who swallow ridiculous notions like the idea that America was peopled by white skinned Jewish Indians who came here by ship from Jerusalem and that today's Indians have red skin as a curse from God (actually one of millions or maybe trillions of Gods) is either a manipulator or manipulated.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 6 years ago

The LDS believe in a lot more than Christ.

[-] 2 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

and if another man believes in something, what is it to you, or to me? Is it not nothing? If he believes in Allah, or Budha, will we be biggot brothers to them?

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 6 years ago

I just hope if Mitt Romney is president, that heavenly father doesn't descend in pillar of light and tell him in order to enter the celestial kingdom, he needs to bomb foreign countries.

Though I'm sure he'd probably bomb them regardless.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

lol ya a one percenter could never truly represent me. A redneck would do a better job.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8491) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I’m surprised you haven’t been voting.

I don’t think that as much can be drawn from the limited information of “how much” money is raised as you do, but to each their own. I do think it is useful to look at the individuals who give money though.

It is the policies, espoused and implemented, did they even try to do what they promised, and what exactly they are promising. My top “litmus test” is public funding for elections, if you won't talk in public in support of it at least, you lose big points with me.