Forum Post: Why So Much Hate Here? Geeeez Can't We All Get Along??
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 13, 2011, 1:19 a.m. EST by thefly
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the 1% are just waiting for us to kill each other off meantime they're all laughing on their way to the banks Get A Grip People
People are still focusing on by bright shiny objects that are nothing but distractions.
BREAD AND CIRCUSES.
It appears most are still brainwashed by the false left right political paradigm.
Meanwhile there is very serious and reliable commentary regarding the collapse of the Euro and the total devaluation of the US dollar.
Plus Obama is starting wars in every country he can and yet people here are posting infantile comments about how all republicans are evil and all democrats are for the greater good.
Its time people wake the fuck up and realize the government is a criminal enterprise doling out favors and bailouts for banksters and insiders.
The government is not and will never be benevolent and Obama is not the messiah.
The 2012 elections are taking place -- whether people here vote or not -- and it would be better to have a starting platform from which to try and influence current and potential politicians.
Everyone has something to contribute and the bottom line is no one will agree 100% with others but we have to debate, discuss in an open minded way.
Attacking Libertarians is also total irony considering they seem to be some of very few, who from day one defend freedom of speech and the Constitution. Two huge reasons America became the greatest nation in the world.
You have a good mindset. People do fall for the simplistic approaches to the different political ideologies. The media just loves that 'right' 'left' division. I hear people using it all the time to describe their differing views. Glad to see all types on these boards, especially, intelligent people such as yourself.
I think there is a lot more consensus out there than this forum would indicate. This is where the rubber hits the road in terms of dialoging with our opponents. S, as well as those we are in essential agreement with. Something I often welcome and more often just gag upon, as when one opponent just posted the words enscribed above the gate in Auschwitz.
It is important though, I think, that such dialogue continue. More problematically, a lot of our opponents feel they can't really compete in the "marketplace" of ideas, and so just try to drown us out and muddy the water and so forth. In any case, if you want a more reasoned forum go to themultitude.org, etc. For some reason I don't entirely understand, it seems like this is where I belong. It's a matter of temperment I suppose.
Yes, what you say is true.
Do you know where the 'Left' and 'Right' paradigm came from?
Before the American revolution,in the French Assembly there were two parties. One party represented the Aristocracy, the other party represented the common people. Just like the Republicans and Democrats, pretty much.
Whichever party won the election sat on the RIGHT side. They made all the laws.
Whichever party lost the election sat on the LEFT side. They were the official opposition.
'Conservative' was for the 'old system' (in France, the Aristocracy), and 'Liberal' was for a new philosophical perspective on man at the time (17th century).
The United States had a revolution based on the 'Liberal' ideas of the french philosophers at the time, such as Rousseau and Montesque. Then the French had a revolution. The 'right-wing' of the French parliament was pretty much wiped out, and the 'left wing' became the new 'right wing'.
Ideas which are 'right wing' today were generally 'left wing' fifty or a hundred years ago. The idea that the common man should have weapons was something the left wing promoted in the 1800s, whereas the right wing at the time thought that it would be 'too dangerous' for the common, ignorant oaf to have weapons.
George W. Bush already went off the 'right-wing/ left-wing' scale. He was breaking pretty much every law there is, right back to the Magna Carta of 1215. He wasn't a conservative. A conservative in the US would be someone that hearkens back to the U.S. constitution, not tramples over it.
Also, absolutely ALL of the founding fathers were as far to the left as you can possibly go...they were revolutionaries.
In the 13 colonies, the 'Right wing' were the 'Tories'. They were the Conservatives which supported the current system, of rule by the British king. When the American revolution happened, all the Tories were either defeated or moved north to Canada.
So really, in a revolution there is no 'left wing- right wing'. For a brief moment, there is no active government. A government only exists if you acknowledge it's authority. After the revolution? Well, the necessary changes will be made to the governmental structure. I doubt everyone will be able to agree on everything, but most of us will agree on many things.
"Why So Much Hate Here?"
False naivete.... You know very well the TROLLS are spewing hatred all over this forum.