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Forum Post: Why it would be a mistake to blame the conductor of the NorthWest France High Speed Train Derailment.

Posted 12 months ago on July 26, 2013, 4:14 a.m. EST by OccupyNews (1183)
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I wrote an article on why it would be a mistake to blame the conductor of the horrible High Speed Train Accident. The reason I think this relates to the Occupy Movement is it just shows how easy it is to always transfer the blame to where the rubber meets the road rather than the executives who make gobs of money while not doing their jobs.

http://www.alexlogic.blogspot.com/2013/07/unnecessary-and-avoidable-high-speed.html

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[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 12 months ago

I don't like jumping to conclusions.

It is easy to blame the man at the controls.
"Daily newspaper El Mundo, citing sources close to the investigation, reported Saturday that the driver was speaking on his mobile telephone at the time of the accident."

It is easy to blame the corporation.
consider this:
Considering the cost of the train, not to mention the financial liability here, why would the company not have an AUTOMATIC slowing mechanism

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

yes, this is about the trust the passengers place in the COMPANY, not just the train engineer, that trust was broken if they allowed this engineer to overspeed over and over and over again.

I wonder if there were complaints about his speeding. I wonder where those complaints ended up, were they ever acted upon?

SOMEBODY had to have complained on a previous trip where he was going maybe 10 miles an hour slower and the train almost derailed, they would have had to feel the G-force and somebody probably new it was not safe.

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[-] -3 points by Stormcrow7 (-4) from Newark, NJ 12 months ago

It would be a mistake to say this "conductor" wasn't at fault. That's the problem with todays society - they like to blame others because of their own shortcomings.

How about they start taking responsibility for their own actions and as a result this planet would be a much better place to live.

[-] 2 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

If the reporting were fair and balanced, and actually brought up the role of the executives in not implementing common sense safeguards in the event the train was traveling too fast, then I would agree with you.

However, to simply focus all the attention on the train conductors allows the company executives safe passage, for now anyways.

[-] 0 points by Stormcrow7 (-4) from Newark, NJ 12 months ago

Well if the "train conductor" was going too fast then maybe the problem is with the "train conductor" and not anyone else.

He is the one who is responsible for his passengers safety just as a captain is on a ship as in the one that sank off the coast of Italy because he was too close to the shoreline.

If we want to be nannies then ok lets put safeguards on everything we do - then we won't have to think for ourselves will we.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

What about the other 500 times he took that turn way too fast, and the train was not even close to derailing? Everybody in a position of authority has someone above them that has to periodically monitor them.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

The conductor was a 30 year vet who had displayed this behavior for a considerable amount of time. The vehicle isn't his, he doesn't own it. The owners are supposed to take responsibility by actually WORKING and analyzing the data that the black box recorders provide.

The issue isn't that the conductor went too fast, its that nobody cared enough to monitor the data that was readily available that gave fair warning far in advance of the actual incident.

And that aspect parallels many issues that Occupy Wall Street is all about.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow7 (-4) from Newark, NJ 12 months ago

Do you know how many times a "black box" is monitored - not only on trains but on airplanes as well?

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

I do not. However, computer programs could easily be written that simply report top speeds, average speeds, and speeds around turns. The black box could literally deliver a report to this guys box with just the most pertinent information.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17964) 12 months ago

FLAKESnews.

Among others.

They make it impossible for many to understand WTF.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

What are you talking about?

[-] 0 points by shooz (17964) 12 months ago

Just showing you where to transfer the blame , for all the misinformation.

Starting with that multiple puppet, stormcrow fellow I was actually talking to.

As far as the accident?

With any transportation capable of such speeds, there should be failsafe safeguards against it approaching any turn at twice nominal speed.

Sounds like they were libe(R)tarians, saving money by not using them, or even installing them.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

I totally agree with your analysis of the train. Just more executives making so much money they skim off the actual product that makes them their money.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17964) 12 months ago

Human error and hubris are the cause behind almost every disaster of this sort, and in almost every case, the technology to prevent it either wasn't installed, installed improperly, or bypassed for immediate expediency.

And the truth is, in almost every case that technology is available.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

The conductor is not necessarily guilty of hubris is over time, I mean over a long period of time, he keep slowly increasing the speed of the train.

Until it actually derails, he is actually doing important work. The problem is he seemed to be doing his experimentation with no one studying the results on a moment to moment basis.

If they can go back and analyze the ten next fastest times he had on that piece of track, it gives them important information that should have been used to both warn him and to install a method to prevent the train from going faster than it can sustain a curve.

Did you know that airline pilots can get handsome bonuses for getting a plane in on schedule, so if they rush a landing or two, what does it matter among friends. (snark).

[-] 1 points by shooz (17964) 12 months ago

Hubris in the system.

Sensors in the tracks and on the train, coupled with comprehensive engineering and speed control servos could easily have prevented this disaster.

386 computers got us to the moon and back. This was entirely preventable.

[-] 2 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

I agree as well. This is why we are losing jobs. Somehow its easier to keep well paid lawyers busy fighting other well paid lawyers with money that should have gone to computer and hardware interface companies to make the system safer.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 months ago

YEP = "This was entirely preventable."

[-] 0 points by shooz (17964) 12 months ago

Anything else is scapegoating.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 months ago

scapegoating ie normal practice of government and business. Encyclopedia ( see ) Accountability?????? and - R U insane??????

[-] -2 points by shooz (17964) 12 months ago

Well, not certified insane.........................:)

Who can afford a shrink these days and health care doesn't cover much.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 months ago

Business Encyclopedia ( see ) Accountability?????? and - R U insane??????

Sorry didn't mean to imply your state of being - was meant to convey how those in charge feel about accountability/responsibility.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17964) 12 months ago

LOL I knew that.

Just bit of self depreciating humor on my part.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 months ago

I hear ya. {:-]) If I weren't already crazy - this world might drive me insane.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 months ago

The Thing "is" - it really does not matter what the engineer was thinking or doing - The train was improperly engineered. What I mean by that "is" - the speeds capable of being supported by the track at any point should already have been known - and coming off a high speed straightaway onto a reduced speed curve should have already been known and accounted for with a "deadmans" switch as an auto failsafe - at a certain point heading into the curve an alert should have triggered an auto cutoff of power to reduce the trains speed in time to safely traverse the curve.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 12 months ago

Absolutely yes.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 months ago

Common sense - Hey? I mean that was an origination of the deadman's switch - right?

[-] -1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 11 months ago

Give the DKA some twinkles to make up for the moll posting negatives.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Thx - but not necessary - one or more of the shills ( bot & sock users ) think it bothers me - it doesn't.