Forum Post: why is President Obama allowing police to shoot American citizens?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 27, 2011, 1:57 a.m. EST by Scout
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first we had Obama failing to push for prosecution of any of those responsible for this financial crisis. Now we have the President of the United States who voices his so-called support of the protesters on TV news and yet at the same time turns a blind eye to the use of tear gas on protesters but now has been complicit in allowing police brutality of the most extreme kind to the extent that even Arab nations are shocked after seeing video footage of this event that has gone viral on the Internet. The President is supposed to be the most powerful person in the world so why does it appear once again he is clearly screwing the people? With one stroke of an executive order he has the power to stop any further police brutality so why doesn't he do this? Does this show once and for all his true nature? http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/egyptian-brutality-comes-america-police-fire-rubber-bullets-peaceful-protesters
Planting a garden is the most effective solution. http://occupywallst.org/forum/family-food-gardens-this-is-the-solution/
It is the true nature of everyone in politics...everyone is expendable except those in power....
President Obama is real good at wet work. He kills unarmed guys in their jammies every day with his drones. Bush/Obama/TARP/Bailouts... I voted for change - just more of the same if you ask me.
What ever happened to “we the people”? Im coming to find out, just today oct the 27th how fucked up the situation is on the U.S, with the occupation of wall street and all. I use to think that the U.S was ruled by a president elected by the people, i used to be certain that the congress was also filled by people elected by the regular, hard-working citizen. I was convinced that democracy was the way to go in the U.S It`s hard to believe how wrong i was over the years. The goverment, the public servers that u, the average U.S citizen voted to represent ur interests, the very people u trusted the political decissions always sure that the will putt he people best interests first are now witnessing a protest like no protest ever seen in the last couple dozens of years. A protest against THEM, against the way THEY simply choose to overlook the needs of the citizens and opted to work for the big companies. So… who is really in charge here? “we the people” or “we the influential, the powerful, the resourceful… we the suits”? In my understanding the protesters are trying to get the goverment make laws against the advantages of the big companies. That jeopardizes the system in wich the goverment Works nowadays… true change can only be achieved by true action. That is one thing history has always made very clear. If my math is o.k 99 is bigger tan 1. the 99% could easily crush the 1%. To achieve change, revolution is required. To achieve revolution, action is required. To achieve action, courage is required. Courage u already have people, use it. dajockster@hotmail.com
obama is an oligarch, hes an emeny of the people, as are all dems.
same with the republicans. we need to get them ALL out.
ows is not for obama, obama is a problem and the problem. we need a third party 99 percent party. not obama. obama is part of the problem. please do not post this bs, we do not want to hear any more about obama.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=obama+is+a+corporate+tool
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=270907&mesg_id=270907
http://www.blackcommentator.com/271/271_kir_obama_tool_us_imperialism_printer_friendly.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VthTqvV0WrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCRnkamitVk&feature=related
obama is an oligarch. obama is 50 new nuclear plants. obama is a health care law built for the corporations and against the people. obama is denial of kyoto protocol. obama is two new wars. obama is Bush continuation. obama is corrupt. obama is ignorant. obama is the enemy of the people.
Right on !! see here
The American Form of Government
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE&feature=player_embedded
Rank hypocrisy.
Over there, we call it 'democracy'.
Over here, we call it 'unamerican'.
This video is great - it clearly shows the contrast between what they say their ideals are, and how they are treating the American people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRXCgMdz9A They are disgusting hypocrites.
yes I saw this! ha ha it is great isn't it?
Because no matter what he does he loses? Hmmm.... many implications here, though, I will say that if there is one thing that I have learned in regards to politics and power and systems -- you can't blame any individual. They step into a situation, an office, a position, whatever, and they are transformed by the spirit of that office or position. Not the other way around. Can't blame individuals, and we certainly can't give them too much credit either.
but he was even happy to give the rebels in Libya guns and ammunition in the name of democracy? And yet he can't stop the police in the United States shooting on innocent civilians. The duplicity and hypocrisy hits me directly in the face
I agree, and the most discouraging realities of the OWS movement are that the protesters appear completely unconcerned with U.S. militarism -- is that not draining taxpayer dollars? Don't even get me started on our wars to spread democracy. Start reading up on Woodrow Wilson, WWI, and the revolutionary forces that were suppressed at that time. Too many disturbing similarities between the Wilson and Obama presidencies. If they play out similarly, any dissenting opinions in this country will be jailed, silenced, killed, deported... or any other means that may shut us up at this time.
and this is precisely why I am so obsessed if you like with the likes of Goldman Sachs and other major banks who are heavily invested in private prisons. This is one of the most dangerous trends I can imagine and there will be every incentive for these banksters to lock-up as many people as possible in whichever way they can
Another terrifying reality that has not been considered here. We can't go into everything at once, though... baby steps I suppose. Democracy is such a foreign concept here, despite the fact that we fund wars to spread this magical creation.
people should not be talking about democracy in America! America is a Constitutional Republic and if people remembered that there wouldn't be so many problems as there are now
And so why are you wasting your time among a movement bent on restoring American democracy? I would be really interested to hear about your vision for America, as a Constitutional Republic. I'm not bashing you, and I believe bridges must be built, though I'm especially interested to hear what you have to say because (if you have been sincere) we agree on much, just have differing ideas about how to get there, I suppose.
take a look at this film and see if you still need to ask the same question afterwards
The American Form of Government
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE&feature=player_embedded
The law? It is not something handed down to us from the gods? Human fallibility, powerful interests, and the unforeseeable future guarantee its failures (failures the people perceive as oppressive). Then what? We're supposed to accept a failing system simply because it is law? Be held to it, bound to convention?
even North Korea has laws it's just that they are not particularly in favour of the ordinary people. I have actually visited North Korea so I can talk from experience. There you can see the effects on the people where you have the rulers thinking they are gods.is that what you want? or are you advocating a free for all in USA ? no laws at all in a country that has one of the highest rates of personal gun ownership in the world?now that is a novel approach
I wouldn't call democracy a free for all and, on the issue of personal gun ownership, I don't want or need one... not yet, that is. Not that we could ever fight off the government should they ever decide to use Blackwater (now Xe Services) against us, though I would gladly pick up some firearms if I felt it necessary, and I am thankful for the right to do so.
No, I said the government and corporate oligarchy which currently exists has trampled the constitution, not the people. You're twisting my words. We may have to take up guns against this corrupt oligarchy if we are not able to take back the rights that have been confiscated by this corporate/governmental oligarchy. I truly do hope that they will listen to our voices. Now, their arrogance is most aggravating, Wall Street laughs at our suffering, and the White House is so out of touch they might as well hang an "overthrow us" sign on the White House lawn. It's as if they're begging us to take swift and decisive action. "Tyrannical nature of the people in power" ??? "People" meaning whom?
this is in reply to your subsequent post because there is no reply button on that. Anyway what on earth do you expect when Goldman Sachs one of the most powerful , unethical and evil banking institutions financed Obama during his first election campaign? people meaning anyone you like to mention in the current administration
you are contradicting yourself. You seem to be advocating democracy and yet in the next breath you are admitting that democracy can easily evolve into an oligarchy which is what we have now simply because people are choosing to ignore the Constitution which exists. the Constitution was written by quite brilliant people who foresaw the tyrannical nature of people in power
Whenever I see obvious anti-Obama posts like this I have to wonder what Republican think-tank is behind it.
ha ha ha ! that is typical Democrat response! When the substance of the story or question is too difficult to answer they resort to greasy slimy politics
Just because a person of his authority is not doing anything does not justify that this is his true nature. His choices/commands almost always cannot be personally made being a public figure. Its definitely not because he has some reputation to protect, it's because he is the voice of the US.
And if he does make a statement about this, there's always going to be two sides, one supporting him and the other against him. Are you all going to bash him to resign just like Mayor Jean Quan if the statement he makes is not aligned with your views of the 1%?
One would think that people involved in this protest is of reasonable people and does not play the blame game but what is this? It makes so much sense to me now blaming everyone who is not on your side.
I am a college student and I do understand the message OWS is putting out there for everyone. But this, I can't agree with this at all.
so his administration has the power to force people to buy health insurance throughout the country and yet he doesn't have the power to have someone in his administration to send a discreet email to police chiefs not to use heavy-handed tactics against peaceful protesters ? sounds like he's picking and choosing a bit if you ask me
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/us/politics/31obama.html Probably because he doesn't want to get involve in this controversial protest. At least he is doing something involving other matters.
Hang on a minute! It was okay for him to sanction sending arms to the rebel movements in Libya even though some of them were thought to be Al Qaeda so that they could defend themselves and yet he can't have a discreet word in the ears of people in his own country not to use heavy-handed tactics against United States citizens. What is wrong with this picture?
The Federal Government, particularly the President, isn't allowed to intervene in these situations unless we are under martial law. I personally would rather not have martial law, but at the same time I would rather not have flashbangs and tear gas fired at people. This is actually a State issue because police from several districts were sent to disperse the crowd. But with police in riot gear, I am beginning to question the constitution itself. That's a different debate. I watched the videos a couple minutes before the tear gas was thrown and the protesters didn't do anything!
is it any surprise when the Banksters are paying off the police Department's. JP Morgan paid $4 million to NYPD. then we have Goldman Sachs revealed as one of the major shareholders of Corrections Corporation of America who in their recent annual report demanded no change to laws so they can imprison as many minor offenders as possible and keep the occupancy of their private jails as high as possible. This is all at the same time that Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs hasn't even been charged with fraud. can't people see what's happening in the USA? Do they want civil war?
Well I will probably shoot myself for saying this, I don't think it's greed that is the only problem. I think it's the system itself that rewards greed. This is a natural progression of the system and it's no surprise that people are pissed. The people who committed fraud need to be charged, but the system needs to be set in place to prevent anyone or any corporation from gaining that power again. I strongly believe that we need to move away from our entire tax structure and move to a land tax. The theory of economic rent has been around for some time, but land taxation has seldom been implemented throughout history. It is well known that the factors of production are composed of land, labor and capital. Land, in the economic sense, can be explained as anything with a productive capacity that has not been created by men or women, but has value created by the community. Labor is any human energy spent , whether by the mind or through brute force, that contributes to a means of production. Capital is mainly what is spent from savings for future production. Under the current system, mainly labor and capital are taxed, while the landed elite make out like bandits with the rents that are created by the community! It is no surprise that civilizations have suffered from vast inequalities since the founding of the first governments.
What we need to fight for is a redistribution of these economic rents for the sake of the people, while at the same time reducing the tax rates on labor and capital. These rents from land are the source of all wealth and are presently held by a small number of wealthy people who will speculate and slow there productive capacity in order to increase profits.
This demand goes out to the people of OWS! If there is one thing we need to change in order to promote equality, environmental protection and job creation through increased productive capacity, this is the solution we need. Please read about economic rent and land taxation in order to fully grasp the concept.
This is something proven in theory and not based on anyone's personal opinion or ideology. While we are divided on many things, it's time to come together with some real demands to benefit the majority of unrepresented individuals of the world. Lets show the top 1% that we know where their unearned wealth is coming from and that we know exactly what is needed in order to bring them back to the real world!
yes but you are implying these people can work within ethical and moral boundaries ! First you have to identify and pick out these snakes in the grass and deal with them before you can consider rebooting the system. for example you've got evidence that investment bankers are involved in the drugs trade and you have even got the big banks that have been caught money-laundering for Mexican drugs cartels. You have to flush all of these people out of the system before you can decide on a new system
im surprised that a reader of zerohedge would post sometihng like this.. so either you are instigating or someone sent you the link. im curious, which is it?
why are you so obsessed with the source or are you suggesting that the video footage of the shooting was filmed on some Hollywood set?
huh?
im asking because zerohedge is a site that is read mostly be macro investors (ie; wall street).. a site that isnt very well known to the outside world.. so for you to find an article and post it (even though there are tons of sites with the same material), shows you either frequent that site or someone sent you the link.
i didnt even watch the video linked to that site so i dont know where you are coming from by implying im sugesting it was shot on some set (??)
if zerohedge has any appeal to macro investors as you describe them I can jolly well assure you they have to be the most disillusioned macro investors on the planet! You will not find a single story that cheers Wall Street's activities in any way and for the duration of the financial crisis they have done nothing but highlight and expose the dishonesty, fraud and Ponzi scheme like nature of the entire financial system. Yes I read this site because if I rely on MSM I would be as brainwashed as the rest of the sheeple
zerohedge is known to favor the short side (alot of hedgies read it)..
zerohedge is one of the few sites that cuts through the bullshit
i agree. im an avid investor and i read it too. although they arent exactly unbiased (ie: short biased as much as cnbc is long biased).. but they are read by many of those in wall street and those in financial journalism for the same reason.
well until they can pull down the curtain on this entire global charade, I think there are far more compelling reasons to be short biased than otherwise.
why are some people obsessed with President Obama?
people are not obsessed with President Obama. I think people are more obsessed with his duplicity and deceit
The president 9any president) does not control local police.
give me a break ! that has to be the lamest excuse I have ever heard. he has the power to launch a nuclear attack but you are implying he doesn't have the power to instruct police departments throughout the country not to shoot innocent and peaceful protesters. Game and match
uh.. these people werent peaceful. they were throwing shit at the police
is there video footage of that please?
nope, i haven't seen any video.. not that lack of video disproves anything.. no cops are going to be carrying video cameras and no (intelligent) OWS folks with cameras/footage would tape themselves throwing rocks/bottles at cops. there isnt much video at all since cops requested media leave the area when they started evacuating the site
somebody earlier in this thread disagrees with you- ddiggs690
He does not care for you, only his funding. It has not become politically advantageous to acknowledge the issue.
Pelosi represents Oakland and San Fran...where is she ?
She's an evil two faced liar who speaks with a forked tongue. When Code Pink protested on the sidewalk in front her very expensive and exclusive home, she told them, "Get away from my house". Pelosi was briefed on torture of war prisoners and when it became public she tried to cover her ass by claiming she didn't really know it was "torture" (water boarding). She is an extremely wealthy elitist and she expects when she throws the slaves a crumb or two that they will STFU and accept being on the plantation while she and her elite cronies lord it over us. She is not to be trusted.
Thank you! They're all crooks.
Watch this, amazing - Our leaders on OWS and the wars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRXCgMdz9A
very good point! the absolute duplicity and hypocrisy of this bunch in the White House is quite staggering