Forum Post: Why is Obama Silent?
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 19, 2011, 11:56 p.m. EST by entrepreneur
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Obama has championed speeches for the 99% and now he appears silent and seem scared of the 1% because they are also controlling him in white house and also because 1% are largest donors to his campaign fund.
I hope Obama restores the faith of those who voted him. He can be everyone's star if he can prevent himself being trapped by 1% and figure out how to help 99% with everything in his power.
Hope Barrack Obama can figure out how to use his authority to fullest in the interest of 99%.
Who do you want to replace Obama with?
Billary Clinton
Ron PauI
It never ceases to amaze me how far people will reach to make excuses for Obama's stunning lack of integrity. It reminds me of a betrayed wife blaming the other woman for seducing her poor helpless husband.
Obama isn't being controlled. He sold out.
He had nothing to sell out The only thing he stands for is himself. He was bought and paid for by george soros.
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dont forget Obama is the 1%.
his friends are the 1%.
his donors are the 1%.
he is not the answer. we need to restructure the whole system.
It's probably the money and porkbellies in his mouth.
My heart goes out to Obama. I bet you anything he wanted to go in there and change things, but they said "If you change a thing we'll murder your family."
I feel so sorry for him too. My heart is breaking. He wanted to bring hope and change and he will always be a community organizer in his heart, so I know in my heart that he wants to be right down marching and occupying but people can be so mean. "They" ( the same "they" that said "If you change a thing we'll murder your family.") are actually expecting him to be a leader! Its so unfair. Obama is beyond leading, but they would do anything to make him look bad, even killing Michelle and the girls.
see what happens when you let 9/11 truthtards in your movement? this kind of absurd thinking goes on and people reply to it as if it is to be taken seriously.
what a joke.
You're kidding right. There's trillions of dollars at stake and these people are already totally find sending American troops off to die against Iraqi Civilians. You think it's completely crazy that they'd threaten the life of one dude?
C'mon.
who are "these people" that you speak of? can you name a few?
what trillions are at stake? got any numbers to back that up?
or is all that too specific? I know truthers HATE specifics, but give it a shot.
Alright, as a random link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Geithner Or how about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPMorgan_Chase
I mean, these are just random Google Searches of prominent names. I don't expect you to read the full articles so let me sum it up.
A bunch of rich guys do a lot of shady shit to get richer. If you don't think there's blood spilled over it, then you're blind.
so Tim Geithner and JP Morgan Chase (the company? everyone?) may have threatened to kill the president? Is that what you are saying? because, in case you got lost, that was the assertion I challenged.
oh, look, the goal posts have been moved...
"A bunch of rich guys do a lot of shady shit to get richer."
...just as I thought. an answer to a question I did not ask.
how typical a response when the statement questioned is simply too absurd to defend. this is just like talking to 9/11 truthers.
or are you really saying Tim Geithner and all the employees of JPM/Chase (presumably, from the CEO to a mid-level marketing manager to the newest employee in the janitorial department) collectively threatened the president? well?
Maybe, but don't forget he never had any intention of ending the war in Afghanistan
whats with the down votes?
Are you saying that Obama did not say we would stay in Afghanistan and told the nobel prize committee that war was necessary?
obama is a tool of the oligarchy and a corporate oligarch. Sorry if your bubble is popped. Hes a clear and present enemy of the people and always has been to anybody paying close attention. Fine, hes one tenth as bad as mccain. Hes still a patent whore and pwn of corporate oligarchy; anybody paying attention has known this and tried to explain it since the start. I have seen it since day one but tried to support the process of educating him and the public. All this time later EVERY move he makes proves whos side hes really on. Seriously? you bought what he SAID? but you didn't WATCH what he ACTUALLY DID.
Obama is one more problem for us to solve and one more corrupted oligarch to remove from office as quickly as possible by forming a new third political party.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
WHAT?!
Obama was not threatened. Are you serious?!
Obama knew exactly what he was getting himself into waaaaay before he was preaching hope and change.
He was BANKROLLED by the BANKSTERS years before
You know the same banksters you are 'occupying' on Wall St ?!
He is silent because he is complicit.
He had a predetermined agenda to lie and trick America and he achieved it.
For fucks sake are you people suffering Stockholm syndrome?
This guy is up to his eye balls in cashola from Goldman Sachs and the rest of Wall St.
That is how the US government and politics operates - IT IS CORRUPT
IT IS CORRUPT JUST LIKE OBAMA IS
His election team in 2007 was made up of ex banksters
His election team in 2011 is made up of even more ex banksters
He is silent because he is GUILTY
Occupy Wall Street Protesters Are Hypocrites If They Do Not Call For Barack Obama To Resign
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/11-reasons-why-occupy-wall-street-protesters-are-hypocrites-if-they-do-not-call-for-barack-obama-to-resign
HOW BAD DOES IT NEED TO GET BEFORE PEOPLE WAKE THE FUCK UP ?
STOP ELECTING SMOOTH TALKING CELEBRITY CANDIDATES = BANKSTER PUPPETS
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/22/obama-s-delicate-relationship-with-wall-street-going-into-the-2012-election.html
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/10/guess-which-president-has-raked-in-the-most-wall-street-bucks-in-a-generation/
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-20/politics/obama.goldman.donations_1_obama-campaign-presidential-campaign-federal-election-commission-figures?_s=PM:POLITICS
http://my.firedoglake.com/fflambeau/2010/04/27/a-list-of-goldman-sachs-people-in-the-obama-government-names-attached-to-the-giant-squids-tentacles/
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/tag/goldman-sachs/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-15/obama-s-top-re-election-fundraisers-include-corzine-katzenberg-wintour.html#
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/04/21/92637/goldmans-connections-to-white.html
Calling Obama to Resign is probably not the best solution as he may be replaced by another even worse person again supported by 1% or banksters. If Congress including obama is part of 1%, then what should be OWS strategy, who should they target in their protest. Current target is #FED and Goldman Sachs et. al. The only way to set congress straight is to stop their funding , this is possible if we stop the source of funds (FED and its banking institutions)
I hate this argument that we should keep a scroundel for fear of worse, the fact is ALL mass murderers and scoundrels MUST be taught a lesson NOW. Never fear the loss of OREO-OBAMA the cock-roach cabinet in the DEM party is full of losers who will take his place, just like the feeble that we see fighting over crumbs in the PUG-PARTY. I hate this argument that we have to put up with OBAMA, if we don't destroy his presidency now for his sell-out then when in hell will we ever potty train politicians. I think this protectionism of OBAMA is no better proof than OWS is a tool of the dreaded DEM-PARTY. In 1920's HL-MENCKEN said pugs&dems were same. In 1960's Malcolm-X said DEM&REPUG were same, and in 1980's Nader said they were the same, When in this HELL we call ameriKKKa will people get the balls to kill the DEM&PUG partys?
@golum, How do you think his presidency can be destroyed. Share ideas with #OWS. We dont want your message to be lost in threads.
Obama is the worst, like Nero was the worst for Rome.
Obama and most of congress are the 1%
Obama supported the bail outs, the wars, increased our troops in afganistan to 100,000 more than bush ever had. He has killed 3 United States citizens without trial or due process. He was given more money by wallstreet in 2008 than any other candidate.
Wall Street gave him money because McCain and Palin scared them (bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran).
He's not their financial favorite now!
Great Post! From this moment - begins the Truth! Silence - it's the only thing that can save him rating. If everyone would know that in fact there are decisions that can change the situation - he must either leave or take advantage of these solutions.
Incidentally, this is one of the themes - from my next post. Post will be called - Why Nardialog.
Talking about politicians is pointless. None of them are/have the answer.
obama is an oligarch, hes sold out, and hes sold out from day one. hes not going to help us, hes an evil prick like all the other evil pricks and so he must be replaced as soon as possible,
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
Obama wants division in this country. It was his plan all along to fundamentally change the country. In other words divide the country to fight each other. Nice leader isn't he?
Obama is not totally silent...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCVAYLdt_6w
Are you in?
I'm on dial-up.
synopsis anyone?
Because he is a horrible president
Obama is silent because....someone lost his cue cards.
No, the teleprompter is broken.
you're pretty clueless if you think obama is some champion for the 99% rather than just another corporatist / crony capitalist.
Obama will never support you. He wants to get reelected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
dream on. it's not even remotely close to their agenda. he's a puppet and those who pull his strings have no interest in the people, outside of manipulating in way to make sure they get their $ and subservience.
Money
You're living in a freakin dream world. Keep dreaming while the rest of us put together an alterante plan.
Maybe he is watching and waiting to see how the movement grows and if it will even continue. He will speak when he believes that we are serious and that takes time to prove.
He won't openly support OWS until over 50% of the public does. He is a politician and as such, he follows the polls and changes as the wind blows.
I'll tell you why Obama is silent.
It's because he doesn't take this ridiculous "movement" seriously and is trying to deal with more important things.
Maybe he'll pay attention when OWS actually gets some demands in order...oh wait, they don't have any because all they really want is some media attention.
you're too close to the truth for me to make fun of you, but you're too far from offering any solution for me to approve of you.
Here's a solution. This is my personal opinion on how to get President Obama to listen to you.
Actually, let me just give you all a freaking step-by-step plan.
1) Get organized. There is no way, not even people sleeping in the street, that Obama is going to listen to a bunch of people holding cardboard signs who don't even have valid and official points.
2) Also, I know this pains all you "solidarity" and "99%" people, but you have to pick a couple of spokespeople. I haven't heard of one name yet that is in charge of this operation. If you don't have somebody in charge, then there's no structure. You need a leader. I'm not saying king, dictator, or prime minister. I'm saying leader.
3) Follow the law. You all are complaining about how you're getting attacked by police officers with pepper spray and rubber bullets. Follow the law, listen to the police officers, and nobody will get hurt.
4) Understand that you are playing the Fed's game. Try as you might, you will not upstage the American government with a bunch of people sleeping in tents. If you play their game according to their rules, you will be able to reach compromise. You don't have enough support yet to overthrow the government, and even if you did, that would be a terrible mistake. The country can't really afford a civil war right now.
If OWS follows this list, I swear, the 99% will be happy.
everything you suggest is being considered by the GA. It's just a slow process. At least I can say with confidence that your suggestions are all under consideration. Thank you for the time you've taken to reach out.
SLOW is killing us
they want media attention and free hand outs. i have never seen a group of people of this scale blame others for their misfortune when the real problem is with the person starring back at them in the mirror.
Screw the good for nothing politicians.
The power lies in yourself.
Let them freak out about the deficit. Their government does not represent the people any longer, therefore it is irrelevant to us.
If you want a living wage unionize. If you don't like certain corporations boycott them, if you're middle class cheat on your taxes, there's no reason why you should bare all of the burden and if you have kids home school them. Starve the war mongering beast.
Because this movement is FUBAR.
That about says it. lol
He'll still pick at the bones for what he wants out of it. Toss them a few crumbs now and then to keep them fired up so they'll turn out to vote. But it will be whatever he wants OWS to represent versus what it is. Or rather I should say "they'll" since it wil be a long list of those who want to use it for their own purposes both pro and con.
Funny, I've been blocked from responding to this As "you're voting too much".
WTF? Down twinkles on that.
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0bama is bought ,paid for and owned by george soros.
He can't come out in direct support of the Occupy Movement. Even we can't say at this point in our development that just one protest will not erupt in such violence that the entire movement is forever tarnished.
I don't believe that will happen, but I cannot claim with certainty it will not.
Can you?
Were he to come out in direct support it would be a huge risk. We already have evidence that there are powerful interests aiming to fuck us.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/CLGF-msnbc.pdf
If we were endorsed by the President at this time I have no doubt some of those interests would begin demographic research to determine where in the country a program could be quickly put in place to inspire just that kind of violence, smearing both us and him.
Hard to say - such a thing could actually be good for the movement - as in Kent State - but the tools and the calculations have been refined a great deal and there is no certainty we would end up with the right kind of iconography with that kind of sacrifice.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some moves by the President within the next month or two that demonstrate a degree of support for us - but in many ways he is walking his own tight rope.
l plan to vote for him - not that I expect anyone else here to - I expect you will all examine the facts as you understand them and do what you believe is best for the people of this country.
It would be nice to receive some assessment from the President regarding the sum of what we have accomplished so far - I think both the movement and the various political parties could benefit.
And it might help cement some of the divisions between wall street and the establishment that we have already created.
I plan to keep on keepin' on regardless.
Obama is God. he knows what he is doing
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He's silent at this time because his owners have not given permission for him to speak. The TOTUS is being programmed.
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Undoubtedly Obama is silent because he is, after all, the chairman of the board of the 1%. Those who expected anything else of him should have known better. But fool me once it's you who is to blame. Fool me twice it's my fault, or something like that. I dunno. It's late.
What's the deal with these Obama-bots?
Finally, a person of substance and a curiosity to match. Like any other politician, Obama awaits the most advantageous moment to enhance his political career. When he discerns that the movement has the critical mass to endure, he will offer his support. In short, Obama, like most Americans, is an opportunist. If Obama can not recognize the worth of this movement now, then maybe OWS should not recognize him later.
Obama is a 1% given the fact that he is a lawyer. Over 50% of all politicians are 1%er's, e.g. have a net worth of more than $1M, thus the political class is essentially the enemy of OWS, but no worry only a matter of time before some greed person in OWS is picked to be their leader and they are co-opted.
Obama is "a 1%" - is Soros?
Complain about his actions and his inactions - but labels - even for Koch and Murdoch degrade us
Are all rich people greedy? inhuman?
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I concur why are OWS not calling for Obama to resign? After all homeland-security is running the cops, and they report to Obama. Why is nobody in OWS complaining?
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Resign? I haven't even heard a peep of criticism.
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Obummer stands for everything you protest and detest, his actions prove that, Wall St. has it's dick so far up Obummer's ass he sneezes George Soros' semen!!!
Yet many of you still support him.
Stupid Fucking hypocrites.
Let's email him at his website's contact section! He's campaigning right now. Let's ask him massively to say (and DO) something, especially about this horrendous police brutality. And then, let's finally deliver some specific poignant demands!!
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He's silent because he knows he's now faced with federal action.
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Obama supported the bail outs, the wars, increased our troops in afganistan to 100,000 more than bush ever had. He has killed 3 United States citizens without trial or due process. He was given more money by wallstreet in 2008 than any other candidate.
I agree with all of your anti-BHO points. And I have my own.
No candidate, however, will do more for us
Sad but true
So Ron Lawl, even though the establishment has clearly shown they are fearful of his ideas and support will not follow through and for the first time in 30 years of office will betray the people and sell out to the globalists? You are mistaken
Ron Lawl is the !%, only even crazier than most of them! This Ron Lawl "solution" is the absolutely most idiotic idea to infect this movement. He is an ULTRA-RIGHT WINGER!
he will ban abortions, the fda, the sec, the faa do you like to eat or fly or invest?
11 Reasons Why Occupy Wall Street Protesters Are Hypocrites If They Do Not Call For Barack Obama To Resign!
If the Occupy Wall Street protesters truly believed in the things that they are proclaiming, then they would be calling for the immediate resignation of Barack Obama and his entire cabinet. The truth is that the Obama administration is responsible for most of the things that Occupy Wall Street is supposedly complaining about. If the Occupy Wall Street protesters were intellectually honest, we would see a flood of anti-Obama signs during these demonstrations. But instead we have barely heard a peep of criticism for Obama. In fact, the vast majority of the protesters seem very excited about sending Obama back to the White House in 2012. As will be clearly demonstrated in the rest of this article, this makes the Occupy Wall Street protesters tremendous hypocrites. If Occupy Wall Street wants to have any credibility whatsoever, it needs to call for Barack Obama to resign. Either Occupy Wall Street protesters will call for Barack Obama to be held accountable for his actions, or they are just a bunch of sheep. They cannot preach to us about how principled they are and yet turn a blind eye to everything that Barack Obama has been doing for the past 3 years.......
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=F07&cycle=All&recipdetail=M&sortorder=U
Ask the GM workers what they think
No single President is responsible for the condition of the economic infrastructure which is in turmoil today. I would have pity on any President that would be in office during times such as these; there is much distress in these times that is bound up in very complicated legislation that is not easily rectified or addressed.
The start of our current system was over 70 years ago when our representatives of the time discerned a need for an infrastructure which evolved over time into that which stands present today. Since that time, the public debt as continued to climb in league with the financial changes to the status of the institution.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/USDebt.png/514px-USDebt.png
President Obama did not create this infrastructure, nor did President Bush Jr., President Clinton, President Bush Sr., President Reagan, nor any President after President Wilson; and even he did not explicitly create any of this in itself, but instead facilitated the motivation for the Representatives to address the situation at the time which begged for redress of the infrastructure at that time.
I agree, but I don't want to see Obama re-elected because I believe his policies are not the right for the country and that at a time when we need strong leadership his policies are making things way worse. Of course he is not totally responsible for the economic infrastructure, but his policies do impact the health of the economy. I believe that if he gets another 4 years his policies will be the nail in the coffin. I would like to see more American's with health insurance, including myself, but Obamacare is a bad, horribly flawed piece of legislation. Every one acts like its Obamacare or nothing, as if a better bill couldn't be created to address healthcare. He hasn't made one move towards the reforms that need to occur, in fact he continues to go in the other direction. If I wanted to live in a country like the one Obama is trying to create I could move back to Canada, or to Europe or perhaps any one of the many countries around the world where they have a dictatorship. I think its really sad how divided the country is today, and again you're right, it speaks to the infrastructure that was put into place a long time ago, but I believe Obama has divided the country in a way that doesn't serve us well and doesn't address the serious problems we are facing, but then to achieve his objectives, a divided, blaming, entitled populous serves his needs just fine. I am not an economist and I wasn't a political science major, but I know a bad leader when I see one.
Then it is truly a good event that the election is near and we can each apply our support for the representative which we each feel grasps the nature of our concerns.
Out of curiosity, is there an example of a policy of Obama's which draws your concern?
And to be clear, I don't condone or ridicule the President as I do not vote in the Presidential Elections. And to be more explicit, I do not make this choice out of political agenda, but instead due to my residence in Alaska; of which causes the individual little reason to concern regarding which candidate the electoral college will nominate.
As a nurse and a patient I am against Obamacare, aka Patient Protection and Affordable Care act, which it does neither, and as a person with common sense I am concerned with Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
You can give a bill a name that makes it sound great, like who could be against protecting patients and making health care affordable, or whose not for reforming Wall Street and protecting consumers, but as the way over used maxim says, "the devil is in the details" and so are a bunch of costly, job losing, freedom losing unintended consequences.
The healthcare system for America is a very difficult system indeed. It is clear that it is in need of another reformation to affix renewed to the current standards of need and provision.
I think the general ideology of the current health care reformation attempts are interesting, and indeed, attempting some rather unprecedented concepts; of which could turn out poorly due to their complexity, length of required growth, and requirement of total inclusion to even successfully achieve any results (meaning: portioned successful integration isn't truly enough; the plans require full inclusion or the plans will simply fall utterly short of their ideals).
That said, I don't think the nation will see these plans exist for too long. I am uncertain that President Obama will be able to continue a second term, and these medical plans require a second term of attention and devotion to encourage the expansion and growth of their timeline. If another President steps in, I will not be surprised to see these plans become among the first that are called into action to retract; if for no other reason than their incredible complexity and intricate reliance on many variables taking place, "just so".
Obamacare is simply forcing people to get insurance without fixing any of the issue with in health insurance. I'm sure you are well aware of some of these issues. Such as pre-existing condition rules used to deny people insurance coverage for things such as treatments related to cancer or surgery needed to correct flat feet in adults.
Great point. Nothing says Orwellian language like "Patriot Act". We need to read the legislation in it's entirety to understand it. Actually, our elected officials are supposed to do that, but that seems to have become too difficult for the majority of them. I don't know about you, but if I hired a painter I'd want them to paint. We hire politicians to do what again?
Somewhat off-tangent, but since you bring up the Patriot Act, another astonishing inclusion is the lesser discussed Military Commissions Act of 2006. More people should read that act in full.
Ron PauI!!
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Obama supported the bail outs, the wars, increased our troops in afganistan to 100,000 more than bush ever had. He has killed 3 United States citizens without trial or due process. He was given more money by wallstreet in 2008 than any other candidate.
He is one of money slaver too.
OWS protesting the White House? NOT POSSIBLE !!!
Obama is a crypto-Marxist.
Obama’s two autobiographies, his relationships (Van Jones, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright), his mother & father, all point to a strong Marxist bias. The effective Marxist will NEVER tell the public he is a Marxist. The tactic is clearly described in "Rules for Radicals"
OWS at the Obama White House would be protesting themselves.
Your god will come to your rescue! Have faith in your Messiah!
The church is THAT way, buddy boy, not here.
People like you are why we have laws prohibiting the combination of church and state.
Listen carefully. I'm talking about the god Obama.
You might want to clarify before you post something to the Internet.
Remember, when you say "god", most people don't think "Obama".
I knew right away that he was talking about the "Holy, unvetted one" . I think the only one who wouldn't know that he was referring to Obama (aka He, that can do no wrong) would be someone one who has been and continues to be unwilling to hold Obama accountable for his totally corrupt administration and all the trillion's of dollars his thrown away.
True.
But most people do think he is a god. The majority elected that filthy, incompetent fuck. And they'll elect him again.
So maybe you should abide by the majority rule thing or get out of the country.
So if the majority elect an incompetent I should just smile and cheer? The majority elected Hitler you know.or should I be a good little amerikan and just vote for whoever you marxists tell me to vote for?
Hitler also based his campaign off of the extreme discrimination of Jews and other minorities at a time where the German people were willing to believe anything.
Barrack Obama had ideals while he was campaigning for the presidency - ideals that I firmly believe in. But when you accept the job offer for something called the Presidency, all your ideals take a back seat to what is actually possible.
It seems like you know a great deal about how a president should handle this country. How would you handle this situation while keeping this country capitalist and a democratic republic?
So if so called ideals and promises to do certain things if elected is an acceptable form of lying? Don't misunderstand me, ALL politicians lie. But it seems to you that it is no big thing.
So how would you handle this...get rid of all politicians?
Dismantle most of the Federal government. Government governs best as locally as possible. IMO if someone pays $10,000 a year to the Feds and $2000 a year to their State those numbers should be reversed. The majority of tax money would go to the States.
I completely agree with you that more power should go to the states. But how does that cut down on corruption? I live in Illinois, and I still remember Governor Rod Blagojevich, the latest embodiment of corruption in our state's political history.
I doubt that corruption can be totally rooted out. Any more that stupidity of the average voter could be rooted out.
Putting more power in the states' hands wouldn't stop corruption and lying, as is what you are trying to say, it would just transfer the power...
Oh, and become parlementary system.
The OCW movement just makes me sick. As a former Marine who has traveled to over 20 countries in South America, Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. I have seen tyranny, oppression, depression, theft, revolution, war, communism, socialism, and the truly poor. OCW supporters do not seem to be educated or knowledgeable about what they are standing up for, or who they are standing next to or with. Though our system of government and capitalism is not perfect, and freedom allows for corruption as well as ignorance to rear their ugly heads, our government is the best and most successful option in the world.
We must remember that for the most part, Business Owners, Politicians, Laborers, Upper Class, Middle Class, and the unfortunate are all good people. To stand and say that mistakes by our government, banks, and capitalism is the reason for, or justifies revolution or a conversion to socialism, is a demonstration of ignorance. Look at the labor conditions in other countries, look at the continuous failure and oppression due to socialist policies, look at history…..
If you use facts and figures to support your rhetoric, if you really understand history, economics, and business, if you just travel outside of the United States and experience or observer what you are asking for, you will see we are the richest country in the world that takes care of its people better than any other. There is no place that has the freedoms, entitlements, opportunities, labor laws and conditions, and higher educational system like the US. There is no place like home, if you don’t like it here and you believe revolution, violence, and anarchy is the answer to change, you are un-American in my eyes. If you want freedom to explore and live your Socialist, Communist, Marxists ideologies….. Leave….. Go abroad to those countries who will give you what you seek…. If you love America and are proud to be an American you can start your own business, run for office, work with your government to change laws and policies, change jobs if you think you don’t get paid enough or don’t like their policies, make good choices for your future, be responsible for taking on too much personal debt, educate yourself on investments so you don’t make bad decisions, stop or start voting for policies or people to help control spending and create an environment that allows entrepreneurs to prosper, help your neighbors, strive to make positive changes. As a country we have lost our loyalty to our Country, to God, and to our neighbors. We have an entitlement mentality that wants something for nothing and thinks we are owed something. This is not what the foundation of our country was based on. The US used to be the 99% where we helped and stood by each other allowing people to make their own choices….. Life is about choices. In the past when things got tough, the country banded together and created new opportunities together. Are you part of the problem or the solution? Do you love being an American and believe in our system of government?
If it is the best option in the world, then surely the best option in the world also permits its citizens the right to call upon that system to achieve even better standards than it rests upon.
We have one of the better foundational government structures in the world, however, we have slid terribly in our accomplishments of education, healthcare, and public debt.
We are 29th in public debt for the world
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html
14th in the world for education
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdEMzTjN5cHY1MmlJOHI3cmZCamRQWEE&hl=en#gid=1
37th in the world for health care (in the 2010 select study update, America was 7th out of 7 countries examined - Aus/Can/Ger/Neth/NZ/UK/US comparison)
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/whr00_en.pdf (WHO report 2000, page 200, overall performance)
A 2010 investigation update done by The Commonwealth Fund, not to be mistook as affiliated with WHO reports. http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/Files/Publications/Fund%20Report/2010/Jun/1400_Davis_Mirror_Mirror_on_the_wall_2010.pdf
18th in gross national income per capita.
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GNIPC.pdf
Yet, the United States stands first in the financial wealth as a nation amongst the world:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2195.html
When you put together that kind of information, it isn't unreasonable for a body of citizens of the United States to call upon their nation to readdress fundamental principle designs and philosophies within our governing and economic infrastructures.
Truly, just as is true amongst the military, we do not stop demanding improvement simply because we have reached an ethos beyond that of other competitors.
You don't get it.
If you don't like America and what it stands for, why don't you go "occupy" some place else and leave US Americans alone.
I am not a genius when it comes to math, but I think the reason Obama does not acknowledge you is instead of 99% its really more like .000005% and that is even inflating your numbers beyond your own predictions. The true majority of Americans want nothing to do with your socialist/communist ideals.
You're no genius when it comes to spelling either.
your right. way to use this venue to correct spelling errors.
Define "socialism" and "communism"? You can't? What a shock!
good argument. holds a lot of weight.
that's your answer to my asking you to define "socialism" and "communism"?
google is my answer enjoy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
so you have no definitions, and this is your way of trying to weasel out of answering? Your parents must be really proud of you. Google "Poseur"
I linked the definition and now you are calling me names? You are an awesome representative for this movement.
you linked "definitions" I asked you for your definitions, you specious twit! Tell us in your own words how OWS has "socialist/communist ideals".
Old Leftie, like 9/11 truthers, likely has his own special definition of many, many words, including "communism" and "socialsm." that's why he wants to know YOUR special definition of words that already have a definition (to those of us grounded in reality, at least) and is confused why you sent a link.
I'll bet you anything Old Leftie's own special definitions of each word includes references to "puppies," "flowers" and "loveliness."
I was in the middle of copying and pasting all the quotes from his or hers fellow OWSers, but I think your statement sums it up nicely.
thanks.
post them anyway. more comedy fodder for the clowns to trip over.