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Forum Post: Why don't we use some of our adversaries's tactics against them?

Posted 10 years ago on Dec. 8, 2011, 10:15 p.m. EST by bigbangbilly (594)
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Why don't we use some of our adversaries's tactics against them? Some of them don't really goes against the message or the morals of this movement.

Just because some of them are used against us doesn't mean that it can be modified (to nonviolence) or used for us instead of on us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy Association fallacy sometimes prevents us from using certain things and associate certain things such as certain tactics to certain thing such as the police.

This is one example of a tactic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling

We use this one with a few modifications such as dissemination of message instead and our adversary could be the police and they can leave slowly. Most importantly no violence.

Read the links before you comment!!!

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[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 10 years ago

Is Kettling on the list??

http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/198_methods.pdf

Can't seem to find it.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 10 years ago

It is actually what the police uses we could use it on the police with some protesters a bait and other as the barriers. We could use it in case of eviction.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 10 years ago

I would agree, long before I came here, I was involved with my local 'occupy', and 99% didn't even know where the elite even lived.

You think this forum is bad, the local forum where I live is even worse. At least this forum has 1/2 dozen folks that know how to use their brains, which is better than all the other OWS forums I have seen.

TROLLING is NOT new, ... rule #1 has always BEEN "DONT FEED THE TROLLS"

The Kittling or any damn thing would just be feeding the trolls and taking us OFF MESSAGE, stay on message and we will win.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 10 years ago

I don't think the adversary is the police at $80k/year the system can't afford to use those assets. Most likely Limbaugh or some other right-wing website is telling its MORON-BRIGADE to come over to occupywallst.org and insult the liberals.

We should WISH the fucking god damn PIGS were here, then they would read and learn that they're fucked.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 10 years ago

Did I said "not all"? It means that there would tactics that we would not be using. Besides we are fighting their pawns nonviolently.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 10 years ago

Because this is what they want,

They want us to get baited in their shit.

Notice they never talk about the subject, they just say shit like.

HATE

Conspiracy

Your an idiot

Anger is bad

All the bullshit here by the opposition is just to frustrate the good people. Just stay on message, whatever your message is, and ignore the assholes, they're easy to spot, because they NEVER say anything substantial. They're right-wing thugs, and paid call-center monkeys, they're heartless and clueless. Simply demand from them what they really THINK on the given subject and they'll go away.

They'll go away because they don't think everything the adversary's post here is CUT&PASTE boilerplate. Fed to them by their masters.

Once the good people here play the same game as the right, then 100% of the content will become garbage and new people trying to learn will go away, which is exactly what the right-wing assholes want.

We only have one goal here, to make the newbies comfortable and to help them learn about what is really wrong with our country, and who actually destroyed America, and how we might fix our country.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 10 years ago

We do not use anger or violence!!! We modify it first before we use them. Did I told you to click on the links?

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 10 years ago
  1. most don't have any money, so they can't buy someone off(much less actually help the people they claim to support)
  2. they don't have any power(see point 1)
  3. they are too disorganized to get anything more done than going to concerts(thereby enforcing point 1) or yelling in the street
  4. If you tried the Kettling technique, nothing would happen. Most of the occupy idiots don't even know where these people actually work, know what they drive, etc. 4.5 If you try this against the cops, be prepared to be shot, tased(they even have a taser that will take down a crowd of people now), or sprayed by the good shit( not that pump watering can shit they used in UC Davis)
[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 10 years ago

You only described the ones we would not even try or use. Sorry about for using a bad example however it is merely an example.

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 10 years ago

I'm not saying that your though in general is bad. But there's no real way to fight this under the terms these people are willing. Every front takes money. Unless they are willing to show charity, spend some money for change(no pun), or holding meetings where they aren't singing and being beligerant because they misinterpreted something a document says, they will have no sway. Sometimes corruption brings about good change, does that mean those politicians that sold out to make a positive result should be gone?? I'm not trolling, but you have to admit, it's the truth. The best tactic would be to succeed. If you work your way through the system, you can do more damage for whatever cause you want.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 10 years ago

I would agree, long before I came here, I was involved with my local 'occupy', and 99% didn't even know where the elite even lived.

You think this forum is bad, the local forum where I live is even worse. At least this forum has 1/2 dozen folks that know how to use their brains, which is better than all the other OWS forums I have seen.

TROLLING is NOT new, ... rule #1 has always BEEN "DONT FEED THE TROLLS"

The Kittling or any damn thing would just be feeding the trolls and taking us OFF MESSAGE, stay on message and we will win.