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Forum Post: Why did Obama ship the recovery stimulus overseas?

Posted 1 year ago on Sept. 8, 2012, 8:05 p.m. EST by zerowageslave (2) from Point Pleasant Beach, NJ
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[-] 2 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

You bring up a good point, but coming from the GOP, it becomes a joke. Though it can be hard to tell the difference. if anything the GOP is all down with "free market, free trade" bullshit to an even greater extent. When did Republicans ever opposed free trade? [other than Abe Lincoln]

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

maybe TR

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

True, the real betrayal of the US began mostly with Reagan.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

check out the "powell memo"

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

Yeah,seems all his dreams have come true, and then some.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

I'm not sure, but I don't think Powell intended or could have really forseen the negative consequences of his actions. I might be wrong. But I really don't think he was some evil genius. From what I understand, his was mainly a reaction to what he saw as an overreach of environmentalism. Unfortunately, his actions caused an even greater overreach of corporatism. Also to note is this roughly coincided with the Buckley decision. Not that it's related, but both of those things together have had significant influence. I think anyone that reads Powell must come away with a whole new understanding of the Chamber of Commerce.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

I wouldn't call him an evil genius either. Especially the genius part. I had to go back and re-read it myself. that was from a while back. I would characterize him as typical of a certain mindset of that time, terrified of change, and not really in tune to the way corporations operated, even at that time. It does though, seem to go beyond just reacting to environmentalism, imo. He seems very threatened by anyone who dared to question the integrity of Big Biz. Anyone who quotes Milton Friedman with a deferential tone, won't get much sympathy or respect from me. Just in case anyone reading this thread wants to know what we are discussing, and doesn't already, here is a link. http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/powell_memo_lewis.html

[-] 0 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

Outstanding points. Friedman, puke puke. Did you know his son is an anarcho-capitalist writer, advocate/activist. Just carrying on his fathers work to the next logical step.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

Did not know about the son.

[-] 0 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

Makes sense though right? Look up David Friedman Crazy Person.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

Yeah, I can quickly see there's nothing new here. Same old free market, Ayn Rand , neo feudal mentality with some new labels. edit; The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

And THAT Powell was the same POWELL who "voted" for Buckley 1976

[-] 0 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

Seriously?! I'm not sure I knew that. I don't think that's something I would forget. ok scratch that above. Those things are related.

Maybe he was an evil genius!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Lewis Powell - memo & appointed to SCOTUS by ????
tricky dick


If you want to study these issues please see dozens of documents and
60+ videos from Lessig & Chomsky & Sanders & Maher, etc

http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com

[-] -1 points by zerowageslave (2) from Point Pleasant Beach, NJ 1 year ago

Is the GOP in favor of taxpayers funding outsourced manufacturing in other countries? I think not.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (13363) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

not sure what all the hoopla is over - sounds like bureaucratic sabotage of a government program intended to get Americans working again to me.

But when it comes to tax money and expenditures, clearly the dems cannot hope to compare with repelicans:

Wed Oct 18, 2006 at 05:31 AM PDT

Trafficking in Humans ~ Daily Kos

The Kuwait contractor building the US embassy in Baghdad stands accused by workers of labor trafficking and smuggling low-paid South Asians into Iraq. Still, the US State Department casts a blind eye on the complaints as it rushes to complete its most ambitious embassy project ever.

"The possibility that a company under a US State Department contract is trafficking and smuggling workers into a war zone is an insult the values that most Americans support and die for. The fact that the accused contractor, First Kuwaiti Trading and Contracting, is building the $592-million US embassy – perhaps the most high-profile symbol of US presence in Iraq – is doubly astounding" says journalist David Phinney.

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[-] 0 points by zerowageslave (2) from Point Pleasant Beach, NJ 1 year ago

The hoopla is over tax payer $$$ being sent overseas to create jobs there.

Is it your stance that because a previous administration did something, it makes it OK?

I thought this was all about "Hope and Change" ?

Who is the Daily Kos? They don't sound like a news organization to me. Story is suspect. Especially with sentences like this: "So, the classified work at the US Embassy/Monitoring Station is being done by slave labor whose only qualification seems to be the ability to keep secrets because they can't speak either English or Arabic. "

Story is BS. Classified work doesn't get done by people with without clearances or foreign nationals. PERIOD.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13363) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Actually I saw this story in print many years ago. Construction laborers were told they were going to Abu Dhabi, and when they got there their passports were confiscated, then they were flown on to Baghdad.

Once they knew where they were headed they wanted to go home. Nothing doing.

If that isn't slave labor - then what do you call it? Conscription?

[-] 1 points by zerowageslave (2) from Point Pleasant Beach, NJ 1 year ago

And they were doing CLASSIFIED work? Really? Were they U.S. citizens or not?

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13363) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

they were doing C.O.N.S.T.R.U.C.T.I.O.N. work.

You know what that is, right? Excavating the foundation, setting forms, pouring concrete, erecting the building, plumbing it, wiring it . . ..

you know . . . c.o.n.s.t.r.u.c.t.i.o.n. work.

On the biggest fucking embassy in the world - built in a W.A.R. Z.O.N.E.

[-] 1 points by zerowageslave (2) from Point Pleasant Beach, NJ 1 year ago

Hey asshat, the story you cited in DailyKos had the statement

"So, the classified work at the US Embassy/Monitoring Station is being done by slave labor whose only qualification seems to be the ability to keep secrets because they can't speak either English or Arabic. "

CLASSIFIED WORK? Got it?

It's a LIE. It's not to be believed. The author makes stuff up to suit his own needs. The whole GD story is schit.

BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND. Why did Obama ship the recovery stimulus overseas.

S T O P D I V E R T I N G

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13363) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

who is diverting? the bailouts have actually been profitable -

Or we could come at it from the perspective that the bailouts were

OR we could look at the reality of federal programs in general - where a program is created, and those who know how to use the system look at the programs and they say, oh, yes, we can do this - as is what most likely happened here - and thus the President can hardly be blamed for misapplication of the program and its funds . . .

Or I could return to the article itself - which as I said, I had seen in print several years ago . . . .

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By ThinkProgress on Jul 26, 2007 at 2:30 pm

During testimony before the House Oversight Committee today, Rory Mayberry, a former subcontract employee of the firm responsible for the construction of the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, said he believes that at least 52 Filipino nationals had been kidnapped to work on the embassy project. He testified:

Mr. Chairman, when the airplane took off and the captain announced that we were heading to Baghdad, all you-know-what broke out on the airplane. The men started shouting, it wasn’t until the security guy working for First Kuwaiti waved an MP5 in the air that the men settled down. They realized that they had no other choice but to go to Baghdad. Let me spell it out clearly: I believe these men were kidnapped by First Kuwaiti to work at the US Embassy… I’ve read the State Department Inspector General’s report on the construction of the embassy. Mr. Chairman, it’s not worth the paper it’s printed on. This is a cover-up and I’m glad that I’ve had the opportunity to set the record straight.

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Whistleblower Confirms: U.S. Embassy Iraq built w/Forced Labor

First Kuwaiti, the company contracted to build the $600 million dollar U.S. Embassy in Bagdhad has been accused of using forced labor to build the one-hundred four acre U.S. State Department site:

Whistleblowers who worked on the embassy have told officials at the State and Justice departments, as well as NBC News, that the contractor, First Kuwaiti International Trading, had brought workers, mostly South Asians and Filipinos, to Baghdad under false pretenses, then abused and threatened them while there.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

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[-] 1 points by zerowageslave (2) from Point Pleasant Beach, NJ 1 year ago

Horsesheit. We've still lost money on them. The TAXPAYER is owed $25 Billion by GM that we'll never see.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/auto-bailout-was-not-unmitigated-success/2012/09/06/4edae4bc-f854-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_story.html

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Yes they are!
Dems tried to pass a measure to stop rewarding it
Rs in the house stopped it

[-] 1 points by zerowageslave (2) from Point Pleasant Beach, NJ 1 year ago

Horsesheit. Stop lying to cover for the donkeys.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

I don't think you were talking to me here, but if I may jump in here, this is where I tend to diverge with your perceptions. Not your goals, but the way you seem to see this as an R/D issue. The issue of enabling off-shoring of jobs, has never been about the tax break deal. True it was an additional slap in the face to the US worker, but was a red herring. So is the story that the reason that US corps. have moved overseas is due to corporate tax rates. Sure, the corps would like to pay even less tax, but even if they paid 0 in taxes, (which is what many actually pay anyway) they would still send the jobs to the low wage, unregulated countries. The only defense to this practice is enacting tariffs. Free trade agreements eliminate or reduce tariffs. Both parties have been involved in pushing free trade.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

No i dont think they support that and there is is difference between the two outsourcing and offshoring

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

Both parties have supported outsourcing. Yes, in some cases, there have even been additional tax breaks added to the incentive of the cost savings of slave wages.