Forum Post: Why did Obama ship the recovery stimulus overseas?
Posted 9 months ago on Sept. 8, 2012, 8:05 p.m. EST by zerowageslave
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You bring up a good point, but coming from the GOP, it becomes a joke. Though it can be hard to tell the difference. if anything the GOP is all down with "free market, free trade" bullshit to an even greater extent. When did Republicans ever opposed free trade? [other than Abe Lincoln]
maybe TR
True, the real betrayal of the US began mostly with Reagan.
check out the "powell memo"
Yeah,seems all his dreams have come true, and then some.
I'm not sure, but I don't think Powell intended or could have really forseen the negative consequences of his actions. I might be wrong. But I really don't think he was some evil genius. From what I understand, his was mainly a reaction to what he saw as an overreach of environmentalism. Unfortunately, his actions caused an even greater overreach of corporatism. Also to note is this roughly coincided with the Buckley decision. Not that it's related, but both of those things together have had significant influence. I think anyone that reads Powell must come away with a whole new understanding of the Chamber of Commerce.
I wouldn't call him an evil genius either. Especially the genius part. I had to go back and re-read it myself. that was from a while back. I would characterize him as typical of a certain mindset of that time, terrified of change, and not really in tune to the way corporations operated, even at that time. It does though, seem to go beyond just reacting to environmentalism, imo. He seems very threatened by anyone who dared to question the integrity of Big Biz. Anyone who quotes Milton Friedman with a deferential tone, won't get much sympathy or respect from me. Just in case anyone reading this thread wants to know what we are discussing, and doesn't already, here is a link. http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/powell_memo_lewis.html
Outstanding points. Friedman, puke puke. Did you know his son is an anarcho-capitalist writer, advocate/activist. Just carrying on his fathers work to the next logical step.
Did not know about the son.
Makes sense though right? Look up David Friedman Crazy Person.
Yeah, I can quickly see there's nothing new here. Same old free market, Ayn Rand , neo feudal mentality with some new labels. edit; The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
And THAT Powell was the same POWELL who "voted" for Buckley 1976
Seriously?! I'm not sure I knew that. I don't think that's something I would forget. ok scratch that above. Those things are related.
Maybe he was an evil genius!
Lewis Powell - memo & appointed to SCOTUS by ????
tricky dick
If you want to study these issues please see dozens of documents and
60+ videos from Lessig & Chomsky & Sanders & Maher, etc
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com
Is the GOP in favor of taxpayers funding outsourced manufacturing in other countries? I think not.
not sure what all the hoopla is over - sounds like bureaucratic sabotage of a government program intended to get Americans working again to me.
But when it comes to tax money and expenditures, clearly the dems cannot hope to compare with repelicans:
The hoopla is over tax payer $$$ being sent overseas to create jobs there.
Is it your stance that because a previous administration did something, it makes it OK?
I thought this was all about "Hope and Change" ?
Who is the Daily Kos? They don't sound like a news organization to me. Story is suspect. Especially with sentences like this: "So, the classified work at the US Embassy/Monitoring Station is being done by slave labor whose only qualification seems to be the ability to keep secrets because they can't speak either English or Arabic. "
Story is BS. Classified work doesn't get done by people with without clearances or foreign nationals. PERIOD.
Actually I saw this story in print many years ago. Construction laborers were told they were going to Abu Dhabi, and when they got there their passports were confiscated, then they were flown on to Baghdad.
Once they knew where they were headed they wanted to go home. Nothing doing.
If that isn't slave labor - then what do you call it? Conscription?
And they were doing CLASSIFIED work? Really? Were they U.S. citizens or not?
they were doing C.O.N.S.T.R.U.C.T.I.O.N. work.
You know what that is, right? Excavating the foundation, setting forms, pouring concrete, erecting the building, plumbing it, wiring it . . ..
you know . . . c.o.n.s.t.r.u.c.t.i.o.n. work.
On the biggest fucking embassy in the world - built in a W.A.R. Z.O.N.E.
Hey asshat, the story you cited in DailyKos had the statement
"So, the classified work at the US Embassy/Monitoring Station is being done by slave labor whose only qualification seems to be the ability to keep secrets because they can't speak either English or Arabic. "
CLASSIFIED WORK? Got it?
It's a LIE. It's not to be believed. The author makes stuff up to suit his own needs. The whole GD story is schit.
S T O P D I V E R T I N G
who is diverting? the bailouts have actually been profitable -
NYT March 30, 2011 - reports $6 billion - profit
Huffington Post today, $12 billion - profit
Or we could come at it from the perspective that the bailouts were
OR we could look at the reality of federal programs in general - where a program is created, and those who know how to use the system look at the programs and they say, oh, yes, we can do this - as is what most likely happened here - and thus the President can hardly be blamed for misapplication of the program and its funds . . .
Or I could return to the article itself - which as I said, I had seen in print several years ago . . . .
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Horsesheit. We've still lost money on them. The TAXPAYER is owed $25 Billion by GM that we'll never see.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/auto-bailout-was-not-unmitigated-success/2012/09/06/4edae4bc-f854-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_story.html
Yes they are!
Dems tried to pass a measure to stop rewarding it
Rs in the house stopped it
Horsesheit. Stop lying to cover for the donkeys.
I don't think you were talking to me here, but if I may jump in here, this is where I tend to diverge with your perceptions. Not your goals, but the way you seem to see this as an R/D issue. The issue of enabling off-shoring of jobs, has never been about the tax break deal. True it was an additional slap in the face to the US worker, but was a red herring. So is the story that the reason that US corps. have moved overseas is due to corporate tax rates. Sure, the corps would like to pay even less tax, but even if they paid 0 in taxes, (which is what many actually pay anyway) they would still send the jobs to the low wage, unregulated countries. The only defense to this practice is enacting tariffs. Free trade agreements eliminate or reduce tariffs. Both parties have been involved in pushing free trade.
No i dont think they support that and there is is difference between the two outsourcing and offshoring
Both parties have supported outsourcing. Yes, in some cases, there have even been additional tax breaks added to the incentive of the cost savings of slave wages.