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Forum Post: Why are they re elected

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 5, 2012, 7:48 p.m. EST by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC
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I see much disgust with our politicians ( with a few exceptions. Some here are happy with their party)yet they keep getting re elected. Apparently the vast majority of voters are satisfied with their representatives and senators. At campaign rallies and Obamas speeches the speakers are invariably hailed as heroes and are looked to as saviors of human kind. How can OWS change this?

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[-] 3 points by commonsense11 (195) 2 years ago

Because people love to vote the party lines. I've met people that would vote for Hitler if he was the Democrat candidate. The same with Republicans. People are too lazy to research the elected officials and just don't want to take a chance on the unknown. We need more Independents. Until we break the backs of the two party system we are forced to vote for the representative that the Party leaders have picked to do their bidding and many times picking the lesser of two evils.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

100% correct!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The only ones here I see happy with their party are (R)epelican'ts.

Their happiness is only a side effect of their delusion, coupled with a memory hole at least 8 years deep.............

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Look Obama Hater's !!!!!! ..... This IS the Reality ....

I'm not too happy with Obama myself.... but he IS in office ...

and he IS trying to do some things to improve the middle class economy .... if for no other reason to get re-elected ....

and WE do need the economy improved ....

the opposition IS doing everything than can to stop any success he may make .... for NOTHING more than political gain ...

THAT Is TREASON ....

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

You need to look up the definition of treason. Then write it 100 times .

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.

the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government.

[-] -2 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Now write it 100 times. And quit accusing people of it when it doen't apply to the issues under discussion.

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

U write it 100 times. you don't think the selling your Nation's people down the tubes for your own personal political gain is betrayal, disloyalty & violation of allegiance ?????

why are you even here ?

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I think that after the elections in 2000 and 2004 there is much queston about the legitimacy of the vote count itself.

Underreported news story of the decade: There is now overwealming evidence that both of these elections were simply stolen.

[-] -1 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Yeah, that's nothing new. Kennedy stole the 1960 election with all the fraud in Illinois.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yeah, Kennedy's father supported the Nazi's too. What's your point, that the Democrats are corrupt. We all know that - it's just that the Republicans don't even try to not be corrupt.

[-] 1 points by oakwasenuf (66) 2 years ago

Come on. You saying the Dems are corrupt, but it is out of their control? Sure glad you are back

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Being obtuse is forgiveable, being consciously obtuse is not.

[-] 0 points by oakwasenuf (66) 2 years ago

GK said: What's your point, that the Democrats are corrupt. We all know that - it's just that the Republicans don't even try to not be corrupt.

Obtuse is as obtuse does. Care to explain the above statement? Guess the Dems are forced to take their payola at gunpoint.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Something like that. Do you know the meaning of "shadow government?"

[-] -1 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

That's a funny one!! Democrats try not to be corrupt? Corruption is the way of these pricks. It's all they know.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Why do you appologize for corporate corruption with any kind of specious reasoning you can cobble together out of whatever trash you find lying around? Are you paid, or are you just craven?

[-] -2 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

You're funny. You make me laugh. Your extrapolations are so insightful.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

What's new is the technical sophistication of the 2000/2004 electoral frauds. We now have a totally bogus, illegitimate voting system. THEY can tell us anything they want, we have no proof of who actually wins.

[-] 0 points by oakwasenuf (66) 2 years ago

And LBJ's great state of Texas also was alleged to have been won via fraud.

[-] -1 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

That's Bush's fault you know.

[-] 0 points by oakwasenuf (66) 2 years ago

LOL....pretty good for a 14 yr old!

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Okay. But why did that fraud all of a sudden stop when your god came into the White House.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Who's god? What the heck are you talking about? You're babbling.

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Obama.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Well, maybe he's your god, be he sure as heck isn't mine!

[-] 1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

My mistake. There are so many people on this site that are convinced he is only blocked by republicans that stop his making a paradise of the world....

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Look, the question is how do we end the corruption? If we vote him out who will we vote in? This is a basic flaw in your reasoning, and that is, in November we will be faced with two candates - one, who is compromised by the overlords, but who has to listen to the common people because they comprize part of his constituancy, and another who openly scorns the common people and has the over-lords as his constituancy.

Neither choice is good, and we have to change that, but in the short run, because we will have no other choice, which should we choose? That seems like a no-brainer.

[-] -1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

It is later than you think. I believe we would be better off with the enemy visible in all its ugly glory.

Obama has merely defanged the left, the anti-war movement, etc. Bush or McCain would never have gotten away with gutting the Postal Service, attacking Libya or the NDAA. Obama, because he supposedly is a Democrat, can slide things by that the open War Mongers wouldn't dare do.

No more subterfuge. It's time for truth and Obama is a walking talking lie.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Naw, Bush slid by anything he wanted to, and it was a lot worse than anything Obama has done. To say otherwise is simply not true. We need a third party, but we can't create one and win with it in 9 months. So what is your point?

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

There's still this left/right dem/repub thing happening.

I don't know why it is even tabled any more as a "debate".

If anyone should be under the microscope, it would be congress, who, I might add, have less than ten percent of the public on side.

How anyone could consider that to be a democratic republic is beyond me.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I agree completely with what you say. It's just a matter of strategy between now and the next election, as we have no time to create a third party in that space of time, and I see that we can at least sway the Democrats to the left in that time, as we are a voting part of their constituency, while we have no ability to influence the Republicans at all.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

I can't get into definitions of what constitutes "left" and "right" in America, so let us say anti-coprporate, and pro-corporate, respectively

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Our current political situation in Australia's federal parliament, in a country where voting is mandatory, is, the two major parties did not gain a clear mandate to govern in their own right. Several independent senators were basically bribed by the left and right (they really are both to the right of centre, but you know what I mean), until the left came up with the better bribe. (which, I might add, they just reneged upon)

I tell you this, because it would be decades before America could expect anything more than this outcome from the current political process.

To my mind, moneyed people control everything, so to avoid confusion, what are we even bothering with the political process for? It's a circus, or grist for the mill. Pulp for the papers.

Congress used to be simply a bunch of wealthy people getting together to see how they could increase their personal wealth, while benefitting the country and the people. No wages were paid to congress, for obvious reasons.

How the hell did we end up with this bed of corruption that is the status quo? Politicians should be like sporting clubs; made to wear the logos and colours of their major sponsors.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yes, but here in America the completely pro-corporate team already controls the business sector, they control the Supreme Court, they control the House of Representitives, and they have a 60 vote gag rule on the Senate. Furthermore, they are growing tired of even the trappings of democracy.

I equate the situation with that of Germany before the burning of the Reichstag. In the short term I think we must just save our democratic institutions, and find means of swinging the balance of power our way, both within and without of those currently corrupted institutions.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Okay. Thanks for that insight.

Australians in general have a fairly grim view of the political process. We are, in the main, doubtful about any pretentious people. Used car salespeople have more credibility here than politicians.

On the Reichstag issue, are you thinking that a major crisis is about to happen in your country?

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

I think during the Bush Administration we came a hairs breadth from outright totaltarian control. Had things gone differently in Iraq, I think elections may have been suspended indefinately for 'national security" reasons.

I wonder if people in other nations realize really just how far to the right the current American Republican Party really is?

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

amazing how much BS is believed.....

Sen. Bernie Sanders took to The Ed Show to explain why the GOP’s plan to destroy the Postal Service is all about killing 230,000 jobs in the name of privatization.

Here’s the video from MSNBC: http://www.politicususa.com/en/bernie-sanders-post-office

or try this ... if you can read more than 50 words ...

Post Office in crisis: the real story : http://www.mpwu.com/pocrisis.pdf

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

You don't get it. Obama ACTUALLY IS a Republican. You've been conned (if you can read four words).

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

I don't care one way or the other... I'm an Independent and I believe Obama cares more (how-ever not enough) about the middle class of America than anyone else in reach of the office at this time .... personally I would prefer Sanders right now ....

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Obama's no god, he's merely one more puppet of the puppetmasters.

BTW, the control of our bogus voting system doesn't change with whichever puppet party is in the presidency, the puppet masters control it.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Too true.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Most people don't vote.

Most people don't know what the fuck is going on, by design (see: Idiocracy).

Make voting mandatory.

Warning Label RW Hate Speech Radio and Fox Lies XXXX (like cigs and porn), restrict it from minors.

Make corporate media report the news thoroughly without omissions.

Ban private money from elections.

De-privatize PBS.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

So let's see what you have here: censorship, government control of all news media, forcing people to vote for things or candidates they may not believe in. May I suggest that you read an old book called Mein Kampf. You will like it very much.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Your authority figures in the Republicon Cult have adapted much better clandestine tactics of fascism than Hitler's piddly scrawl. Through Operation Paperclip, RW warmongers got their weapons and RW pols got brainwashing and big lie control tactics. We censor "material" deemed harmful to society all the time, RW Hate and Lie speech certainly qualifies (Tuscon). Our government makes laws to protect society all the time, outlaws and shysters like to call that "control." Australia has mandatory voting, democracy is not a spectator sport. And it's completely legal, free speech, for you fascists to spew BS, thanks to liberals, but you should never EVER be allowed to broadcast it to the general public fraudulently presented as "fair and balanced news."

You zombies need fresh talking points, but I understand ALEC and Heritage are in a bit of a panic right now.

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Yep. Confirmed.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Is that what their telling their zombies to say? hmm?

Hey, don't be coming up with your own shit, you know that's not allowed.

Hell, I'll report your ass, anonymously.

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

'How can OWS change this?' By giving us the opportunity to have different choices, other options.

How do the same people get elected over an over? It's pretty simple, the devil you know vs the one you don't, the lesser of two poor choices...and hope, hope that maybe this time someone is actually going to stand their ground, stand with us...

Politicians count on voter amnesia. They make the same tired old promises every election year, sometimes they go through the trouble of 'dressing them up', but it's still the same old stuff. They bank on the simple fact that you've devoted most of your time since last election to living and in the process have long since given up and forgotten.

Maybe the larger part of the problem is us, not so much we like the ones we have for our particular area, but that we don't keep 'score' on Congressmen/women and Senators like we do Presidents. Maybe it's time we did.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Why is it that we can only vote "for" a candidate when our choices are so limited. Shouldn't we be able to reject ALL choices? An option like 'NOTA' should be on the ballot -

None Of The Above

[-] 2 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

Actually we do have one other alternative, although getting everyone to agree then act on that agreement might be difficult. We could all choose not to vote.

I remember, I think it was in the 80's, the Japanese people did this. They had an election and no body came.

At that time the Japanese believed their vote had value and they weren't being offered any candidates that even came close to meeting that value.

But for the most part Americans are to stubborn to give up their own personal views for the greater good. So, we're stuck with bad and badder for choices.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

That would send a great message, but I question how much our votes really count anyway.

“What better way to enslave a man than to give him the vote and tell him he’s free.” -Albert Camus

Cheers ;)

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

I agree with much of what you say. But since many, if not most, amerikans only care about bread and circuses we still have a problem. And many refuse to believe that their guy has done anything wrong. Much like the followers of Obama on this site.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

As I said, first there must be a choice offered, left/right isn't the answer, or at least hasn't offered any answers that we (as a nation) can use.

[-] 1 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

Here is the problem. I'm a republican and vote republican. My life greatly improved, including financially. Most of you vote democrat and for 50 years after voting to "re-elect" YOUR democrat in office,, each year you have gotten poorer and poorer. Why would you continue to vote that way knowing you will be more poor tomorrow than you are today? You really do get what you vote for. I changed for the better and so can you. (you wont because you want to whine for another 50 years so I cant help you.)

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

Let's look at some facts then we can resume the suppositions.

1980's President Reagan's tenure, ordered the stock market closed. Reasoning, market was plunging in a manner presumed to fail. All world markets also closed for same factors. Caps placed on trade.

2000's President Bush II tenure. World Trade Center, War in Iraq, lies about WMD, declared Osama bin Laden to be an enemy of the state, discontinued interest in bin Laden shortly there after.

Both 'good' republicans, both enacted items that have/had long term negative effects on not only the US but the world.

But hey, you did better, so it's ok. Why don't you take a step back and look at that statement again. Look at it from another side, the compassionate side.

[-] -2 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

The compassionate side? I thought I was. I'm so compasionate that I'm taking time out of my day to tell you that if you continue to vote democrat that you will continue with the 50 year failed agenda. I'm giving you the tip that there is a better life for you if you just reach out and grab it. It is there, within reach. I did. (WMD's, lies? are you kidding?) ("google" +Clinton +Iraq +Dec 16, 1998 +WMD +Transcript)

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

Count up the years again, 50 is way too high.

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

"The Great Society" under Johnson was just yesterday?

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

As I said, count up your years again, we haven't had 50 years of Democratic representation. Matter of fact it's been divided leaning heavily toward the conservative side. With less than spectacular results from said conservatives.

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

It is a liberal AGENDA for 50 years. Last time I checked the mass of the posting on here is about the poor,,, I may be wrong,,, but it appears like it is about the plight of the poor. And from what I read,,, the poor vote democrat. And the poor keep getting poorer. I'm not real great at math,, but I do know 1 plus 1 is 2. If the poor are getting richer then let me know I'm wrong.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

I'm not going to debate this with you, you have made your position known and it is of no further interest to me.

You state from what you read. I suggest you widen your reading then.

[-] 0 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

My position is of no interest to you,,,,,,,yet you just HAD to reply,,,, didnt you?

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

I was being polite. Some of us do still have manners.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

First, you have no problem doing well while your country goes to hell? Do you get a kick out of seeing others suffering in poverty and homelessness while you are living high?

Second, don't you know that Republicons and their 1% employers are conducting class warfare which is the reason we have such disparity? Deliberately?

Third, you do know and you don't care and this post is you taking a shit on people and a cause that you hate, fear and don't understand. You should pick it up and eat it, because that's what pigs like you do.

[-] -2 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

I only fear your dirty, slimy, lazy fingers going into my pocket. You are lazy. You know you are lazy and that is why you are on here with your hand out and needing your bottom wiped. You shit on your self just like the pigs you talk about.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Tr@shy : Irrespective of what you think you're replying to, the above is yet further proof of your all round scumbag persona #23, you unconscionable little subversion monkey !! nosce te ipsum ...

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

You like dirty, slimy, lazy fingers in your pockets? How lazy are you,,,, really.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Tr@shy : It really sounds like you need a dose of very strong antibiotics, yourself there ! And STOP Playing 'Pocket Billiards' before you go blind !! Gnothi Seauton !!!

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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

@ TIOUISE, my unnecessarily put-upon and probably wronged friend (?!), shall I let "TrashyFD4's" answer above do all the talking or would you like me to list at least over 20 (That's TWENTY+!!) personas and monikers ?!!

That's A Genuine Question !!!

pax ...

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

That is Thrasy, not TIOUISE. look at the rep number next to the name. It's a trick with upper case 'i' and lower case 'L' to get a similar looking name.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

@ 'rkc' : I get your point now ! Thanx !! Furthermore, 'The TrashyManqué Continuum' is now proceeding to trying to flood me with Spam Private Messages & I do believe that he's scripted a bot, for the very purpose, The Dork !!!

Maybe he does want me to go a listing ... whaddya reckon ? Should I make a pot of coffee and set to it here OR formulate a dedicated 'forum-post', specifically for the purpose ?

I'm open to suggestions ...

verum ex absurdo ;-)

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

...

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

@ 'rkc' : NO ! At least NOT Directly !! He seems to be a paid mercenary, probably using VPNs and multiple countries for IP addresses, working for 'A Consortium Of Private Corporate Business Interests', based in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, who are worried by 'Pro-Progressive Goings-on' in Vancouver, BC. Dude, it's a "Canuck East-Coast / West-Coast Bad Blood" Thang, but they're all far too polite (for now?!) to be 'popping any caps in any asses', lol !!!

Are you really sure that you want to put up an e-mail like that ?! Trashy will only get 'Bot-Boner' and he won't be able to resist spam-flaming you, ye know !! I was going do it right here, right now on this thread or on a forum-post later this coming weekend !!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

AH! I forgot, I have his email address. Fantastic. Wonder....

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[-] -2 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

That was not funny or cleaver. Antibiotics? Really? Pocket Billiards? Come on,,, and you can turn off the google search for latin words. Nobody looks it up,, it just wastes your time,,,,, wait,,, you dont have anything else to do,,,,, so ,,,, never mind, keep it up. I do like your html code for italics <i><u> douchi uppi u assum</i></u>

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

It's come up before, everyone feels congress is corrupt, but like their guy enough to reelect him because he brings things to the district. Everyone complains, but a majority accepts things as they are.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Or it could be that the elections are rigged and what they TELL you is " Everyone complains, but a majority accepts things as they are." This also is a possibility or as some may say, a probability. The whole "voters are idiots thing" might be the voters that drink the media's kool-aid and parrot their talking points.

One example of many: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZws98jw67g

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

I'm not prepared to believe wholesale election fraud across the country. Certainly not based on a video about one type of machine that could be corrupted. If you're going to believe everything is that far gone there is no point in demonstrating, voting, or bothering to care. You may as well just get what you can for yourself and to hell with the rest of the world.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

“What better way to enslave a man than to give him the vote and tell him he’s free.” -Albert Camus

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

If a man believes he's free he is. You can change his beliefs, get him looking for conspiracy in every shadow, he can become a slave to fear, anger, or paranoia. The reality is difficult to uncover, who do I trust? Everyone points out the flaws in others, and wants their own flaws overlooked.

The system we have has flaws, but it's working well enough for a majority of people (perhaps too well for too few). Slaves or not, they are not likely to support any major change in the current system. What's left? Actual slavery or Occupy's direct democracy, if you can't trust voting for representatives then how could you trust that direct democracy could be any better?

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Because of real oversight by the people ( diagram Government 2.0 in the middle of this page - http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_commonsense.aspx ). I trust the combined will of the people much more than the small elite that are installed in our government as our representatives. Direct Democracy doesn't have an agenda - it's simply the will of the people. I also think you are incorrect about slaves, or people that consider themselves a slave of the current system - why would they not support a major change that would free them from tyranny? If the peoples' will was truly represented, then policies on energy, war, taxes, civil rights, NDAA, foreign policy, health care, etc.; would be MUCH different than what we have today .......... Issues would be decided on what is good for America and it's people; not what benefits special interests and their influential money.

Elections? We don't have elections. We have auctions!

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

You're welcome to try to convince the majority to switch to something closer to a libertarian/socialist method of governance. I don't think it will be any better then what we have now. It isn't the government, banks, or corporations that are the problem with our current system. It's a mix of voter apathy the ignorance that comes from that apathy.

If the people participating in direct democracy don't find out about a law like NDAA how will they vote? Flip a coin? Bad laws are stopped, even in our broken system, only when people are willing to learn about them. It won't be any better in a direct democracy. There will be no real oversight by the people because most people don't or can't make time to study the issues.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

I think that this is getting played out but - we can agree that we disagree. Thanx for the debate!

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion. Thomas Jefferson

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Which points to the whole "voters are idiots" thing. Perhaps democracy isn't the ultimate answer.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Perhaps democracy is the answer. We've never tried it. What we have had since the revolution is a republic. There is quite a difference.

An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic http://lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

At this point, the type of government we have now is closer to a Kleptocracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy

[-] 0 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

It's part of why they didn't go with direct democracy for the country from the start. Not that all voters are idiots, but a lot just don't devote the time to learning about the issues.

[-] 0 points by freakyfriday (179) 2 years ago

Not to mention how easily so many could be bought, for so little.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

True for some, but you either find a way to deal with that or walk away from democracy completely.

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Very true.

[-] 1 points by Gileos (309) 2 years ago

Vote?

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Why?

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[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Okay. But it begs the question.....

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[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Why no choice? What would make them listen?

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[-] 1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

I fail to see what is going to cause the "demise" of that entire party and leave the other party untouched. And Obama care did not follow public opinion.

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[-] 0 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Democrats are so upright and trustworthy. They never lie, cheat, steal or anything. They are perfect. Look at Slick Willy. Mr. Perfect. He's like honest Abe. John Edwards, such an upright man. Al Franken, perfect, he never cheated on his taxes, nor did Tom Daschle. Tim Geithner never cheated on anything, nor ABSCAM poster boy jack Murtha. Wake the fuck up douche. What'd you replace your gray matter with brown matter?

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[-] -2 points by FarIeymowat (49) 2 years ago

Good riddance.

[-] 0 points by oakwasenuf (66) 2 years ago

GK admitted the Dems are corrupt, above. It's just not their fault!!

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

You are simply determined to keep this about Republicans and Democrats, and we know why. Because you want to divide people and keep them from the truth. You guys are so see through that it really is humorous. You should take your act on the road! And I supose you think we can't see that these are posts you all colaborate on, thinking you can sell us all a wooden nickel. It's a laugh-riot!

[-] 0 points by oakwasenuf (66) 2 years ago

I dunno...I just dropped in because, living in Ind, I was curious how the Charlie White thing would get spun here. It got spun into GOP bad, DEM good (fart). So don't accuse me of starting this or trying to divide anything,. So glad you are back And then your gem about dems being corrupt without intent

OOOPs...wrong thread! My bad, but I still didn't start the divisive discussion And then your gem about dems being corrupt without intent

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 2 years ago

American Elections: False Choices Hiding Other False Choices

The American elections perpetually televised by our Kleptocracy-controlled media are a smokescreen of false choices distracting attention from even more false choices. At the presidential level and likely others, our election results are predetermined: If not by the billions poured into brainwashing voters through the media, then by rigging the voting machines and if necessary having a tainted judiciary overrule recounts:

Psywar: The Real Battlefield is Your Mind http://www.openfilm.com/videos/psywar

Hacking Democracy http://www.hulu.com/watch/192687/hacking-democracy

Peace! http://www.hulu.com/watch/177439/peace

This Orwellian subterfuge distracts the attention of the Sheeple from other false choices that have far more impact than which corporate puppet gets to sit in the Oval Office for four years. Those choices currently include: the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA) - a loss of real freedoms in return for protection from fabricated threats; the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) - Internet censorship disguised as intellectual property protection; and the Keystone XL Pipeline Project - which will give us dirty energy and ditch-digging jobs at an ecological cost that may include the main water supply for the American Heartland - approval for which was accelerated by a clause buried in the recent Payroll Tax Cut legislation that received bipartisan praise. This deceptive spin and doublespeak has been going on for years, and will continue at an ever-accelerating pace now that Corporate Fascist Puppet President Barack Hussein Obama signed away ou! r Bill of Rights on New Year's Eve, while we were watching balls drop and he was in Hawaii, about as far away as he could be from the uprising of an angry citizenry that never materialized...

IT IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT OF THE LAST 14 U.S. PRESIDENTS, 7 HAVE BEEN DEMOCRATS AND 7 HAVE BEEN REPUBLICANS.

Mainstream media focuses on America's two-year election cycles as if who wins or loses in the swinging of the pendulum was a matter of life or death, when in fact even at the Presidential level it makes no more difference than the outcomes of Monday Night Football, American Idol, Dancing With The Stars, Hillbilly Handfishing, the trial of Michael Jackson's doctor, or the latest Kardashian crisis. Our elections are staged to give Sheeple the illusion of control so they will (a) vent their frustrations and expend their energy, emotions and resources supporting or attacking the Puppet on the Left hand or the Puppet on the Right, and consequently (b) never recognize and challenge the common omnipotent Puppetmaster. As long as corporations own the politicians, it's futile to believe we can "CHANGE" things with our votes.

NO MORE LEFT. NO MORE RIGHT. TIME TO UNITE. STAND AND FIGHT!

IronBoltBruce via VVV PR ( http://vvvpr.com | @vvvpr )

[-] 0 points by TerriLee (-24) 2 years ago

A Call to Boycott the 2012 Presidential Election! http://occupywallst.org/forum/call-to-boycott-the-2012-presidential-election/

[-] 0 points by Skippy2 (485) 2 years ago

All professional politicians are lying, scamming, stealing scum. Problem is they are very good at saying just the right thing or doing just enough to get the gulible to follow them. We need to vote out ALL incumbents.

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

I agree .

[-] 0 points by Skippy2 (485) 2 years ago

Thank you BlackSun...I wish more folks did