Forum Post: Who Thinks OWS Just Gave Up?
Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 22, 2012, 1:52 p.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic
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I thought it was because of the mass evictions, the mass arrests, the mass tear gassing of people, the police brutality, and the fact that if you try and protest 24/7 on public space you will be arrested because of park rules and city ordinances.
Pretty sure oppression has played a huge factor in the decreasing size of the Occupy movement. From the police beat downs to the slander of certain news organizations like Fox News and fascist politicians that spoon feed the fodder to the people of hatred. Considering if OWS even tries to retake a park to protest in, they will be arrested, beaten, or tear gassed, I can understand why people don't want to risk that again and again and again.
You know the blacks were breaking the laws during the civil rights movements. Not all laws are right. In fact throughout american history a fuck ton of laws have been over turned. Just because something is a law, like being in a park after 11pm, doesn't mean excessive force needs to be used or that it needs to be enforced. In fact, how else can you protest a law or use the first amendment if this kind of action is taken by the police who "just follow orders" ?
When they were beating the blacks and arresting them in the civil rights movement, the officers were "just following orders and abiding by the laws."
This guy puts the situation of oppression into perfect perspective. Just following orders? "They will enforce the law no matter what it is. The last thing you need is liberty, justice, and conscience getting in the way of the law. If it was still illegal for women to vote, you can count on the police enforcing the law if women were out here trying to vote."
"If they enforced banking regulations as much as they enforce park rules, we wouldn't be in this mess."
"American Exceptionalism: The ability to celebrate freedom and democracy while tolerating neither."
I'm looking forward to the Spring time.
This movement is in no way "over". It is an ongoing struggle. The protest will carry on, either as Occupy or in some other form. Mass communication is the driver.
The majority of the members have already started "occupying their Xboxes again" This fad is hosed
What does or does not happen to this movement is far less important than what happens because of it; even if OWS fizzles out into an embarrassment or a fringe group like the Black Panthers it will have gotten people talking about things that they wouldn't have otherwise. What becomes of that conversation is what matters; if it begins to reverse the last thirty years of deregulation, outsourcing, and inequitable tax policies, deal with the misbehavior of large financial institutions, and clean up the government then it doesn't really matter who started it, now does it?
it's the talk with the media and the politicians. A lot of the OWS grievances have taken the center stage. So much of the corrupt's dirty laundry is now out in the open airing out and the stench is fierce. More people are aware of pressing issues because of OWS.
While there is some gray area about the occupation of parks, where there may some concerns of disruption to traffic, business, general public park use, health concerns or other safety concerns, let's look at some general ideas...
Generally, police or military forces can often be used to obstruct the redress of legitimate grievances or complaints, and there could be some elements to this with the police and pepper spray, etc...
But it can also be important to try to evaluate certain aspects when it comes to protests, etc... otherwise some things may be perceived negatively...
If the movement is perceived with even small amounts of 'disorderly' elements... then there can be some negative public perception (although this can also be created by negative media spin), which tends to give those directing police more political advantage to be aggressive toward ows...
Now keep in mind, i am on the side of ows sentiments in general, as many questionable policies and the influence of wall street and other government or corporation abuses and misuses of public funds are often very inappropriate...
However, i am just saying that it may be helpful the more ows is perceived as having a clear focus toward being as reasonable as possible in its approaches and organization... (and i'm not saying it doesn't already have a reasonable focus, which i think it does in many areas) - i also don't personally have a problem with it just being an open expression of support for inportant issues and public activism... but there can be some aspects that can affect how it is perceived publicly, and by the media...
As long as a protesting group has legitimate grievances, and there is a reasonable arrangement with use of public space (like certain days), and those grievances have not been reasonably addressed, it is probably not appropriate for ows public activism to be suppressed thru force or otherwise...
pfft, its only the beginning of the end-real change will be a long time coming
Well, some of that is dependent on us... we can try to predict the future, but part of that is how we engage in the present...
There are some conditions that tend to decrease success, and some that tend to increase success.... so trying to do things that help move toward real success, and avoid things that do not move toward success, is important...
Unfortunately because of many cultural reasons, we can often believe that certain things help more than they may actually do...
Your post...doesn't explain anything.
no I gave up because I couldn't get a job
Looks like OWS only hope now is to "occupy a cruise boat"
Fox News was the only ones telling the truth about OWS and all the other Obama lapdog media outlets were not
Are you really comparing the fact you want free money with the civil rights struggle? Do you ever think through what you are saying?
drank the kool aid, did you?
you're confusing OWS with GoldmanSachs
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