Forum Post: WHO are the REAL ANARCHISTS in today's America, the modern-day Patriots of OWS or the Suit-and-Tie Mafia that has quietly taken over the country?
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 21, 2011, 8:54 p.m. EST by TIOUAISE
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Isn't it "kinda ironic" that all over this troll-infested forum, OWS haters are accusing the Movement of being "just a bunch of ANARCHISTS"?
Actually, America and a great many other pseudo-democracies are NOT the law-and-order countries that they claim to be, but are basically GLORIFIED ANARCHIES where "MIGHT TRUMPS RIGHT" and the ESTABLISHED DISORDER is imposed on the 99%..
Isn't that why Wall Street got away with clearly immoral AND illegal practices that plunged the country - and the world - into a catastrophic crisis?
And isn't that why Congress has just decided to basically scrap our "Bill of Rights" and "Magna Carta" protections dating back to 1215?
WHO is currently governing this country, if not a mafia of SUIT-AND-TIE ANARCHISTS? "OBAMA IS SURROUNDED BY MAFIA!" recently exclaimed spiritual teacher and physician Deepak Chopra - a former supporter of Obama.
As Chris Hedges pointed a couple of months ago, the Great Patriots of OWS are actually fighting to uphold the Constitution and "restore the rule of Law". They are, in a word, the POLAR OPPOSITE of the suit-and-tie anarchists who have staged a covert and gradual COUP D'ETAT against our democracy.
ADDENDUM: I think FDR WAS SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING in his 2nd Inaugural on Jan 20, 1937:
"We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace--business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering."
“They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob."
“Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me -- and I welcome their hatred."
—Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Beautifully stated bulls-eye!!! This is such a perfect point!!
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"orz", you are unashamedly defending brute force and "he who is holding the gun".... I'm sorry, but MIGHT IS NOT RIGHT!
If you believe that it IS, "orz", then you are taking a position against ALL of the great religions of humanity and ALL of our most sacred texts auch as the U.S. Constitution and the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights. You are in fact rejecting everything that makes us HUMANS rather thn BEASTS and are bringing us back tens of thousands of years to the LAW OF THE JUNGLE.
Ah! Stop yelling! It's hurting my ears!
But in all seriousness, 'anarchist' is not, and should not be used as, a pejorative term. Anarchism is legitimate, and it means a horizontal society free from hierarchy and coercion.
Tiouaise is also a moniker that is owned by Thrassy, and this post is for what?
To support what to antagonize whom?
Thrassy only exists on this FORUM for one reason, to destroy the OWS.
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Look, I see what you're saying, Fraqtive42... but can we agree that in 2011 America, "anarchist" is usually used in a very pejorative sense?
All over this troll-infested forum, OWS haters are accusing the Movement of being "just a bunch of ANARCHISTS".
So I thought it would be useful to unmask the TRUE ANARCHISTS (again in that pejorative sense).
P.S. You emphatically state that "in all seriousness, 'anarchist' is not, and should not be used as, a pejorative term." !!! I'm sorry, but the word actually has more than just one meaning and the most COMMON one happens to be very pejorative.
In Merriam-Webster, I find under "anarchist": "a person who believes in, advocates or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially: one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order." And under "anarchism" : "a state of lawlessness or political disorder". In another dictionary I find: "Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists."
Isn't it "kind of obvious" that in the context of my post I am in effect using the term in that particular sense?
Well, you could say that the neoliberal reactionaries opposing OWS are 'market anarchists', but calling them so will simply add to the pejorative level of the term, and possibly hurt the feelings of our fellow anarchist protestors. Don't use 'anarchist'. Use 'market fundamentalist', because it is significantly more effective and not insulting to ourselves.
You're completely missing my point.... but that is your prerogative, isn't it? I doubt very much that your fellow anarchist protestors will be confused or hurt by my use of the word, which is commonly found in all English dictionaries.
Actually, just about every anarchist would probably agree with him and believe that you're a tool with no conceptual understanding of a legitimate framework of ideas.
I am a "tool"? Charming... Call me a tool with a DICTIONARY and the brains to use it... :)
Anarchist should not be used as a pejorative if we have anarchist protestors; it's that simple. I know what a dictionary is. I have used one multiple times:
From the New Oxford American Dictionary. So yes...you are a tool.
Your response smacks of "political correctness" and contains, as our friend Thrasymaque would say, a logical fallacy
Anarchists are, by your own definition, in favor of FREEDOM: live and let live. ("without recourse to force or compulsion")
So a true anarchist would be the LAST to play the LANGUAGE POLICE - beacause that would make him a "politically-correct fascist".
And an EDUCATED anarchist would recognize the simple FACT that the word "anarchist" can take on many different meanings, as is rather OBVIOUS from looking into various dictionaries.
You emphatically state that "in all seriousness, 'anarchist' is not, and should not be used as, a pejorative term." !!! I'm sorry, but the word actually has more than just one meaning and the most COMMON one in contemporary American parlance happens to be very pejorative.
In Merriam-Webster, I find under "anarchist": "a person who believes in, advocates or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially: one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order." And under "anarchism" : "a state of lawlessness or political disorder". In another dictionary I find: "Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists."
WORDS are used in a CONTEXT. And Isn't it "kinda obvious" that in the particular CONTEXT of my post I am in effect using the term in that particular sense?
Call me a "tool" or whatever you please.... I am immune to insult.
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I wrote:
Is not "ruling" force and its threat? And, why not?: "the most guns, wins." So, might is right. And, so, "what now?"
I was referred to authority. That doesn't make the argument false, however. It kinda supports it.
"orz", you are unabashadely defending brute force and "he who has the most guns".... I'm sorry, but MIGHT IS NOT RIGHT!
If you believe that it IS, "orz", then you are taking a position against ALL of the great religions of humanity and ALL of our most sacred texts auch as the U.S. Constitution and the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights.
You are in fact rejecting everything that makes us HUMANS rather than BEASTS and are bringing us back tens of thousands of years to the LAW OF THE JUNGLE.
You could say, why "might makes right?" And then I could say, "because the mighty say so." Which begs the question. But that only makes it unjustifiable. And I'm modestly saying it's not obviously false.
Yaaawn!
TROLL B.S. never fails to put me to sleep...
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If it's outside the sphere of the reasonable to talk about power, so be it. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/#ReaPluPubPolCul
But, it's debateable and this isn't even communicating.
It's like you closed you ears and started singing, and, whatever.
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No, you put me to sleep, that's all...:) Don't take it personally, ALL TROLLS have that soporific effect on me. Sweet dreams!
I agree with orz. The bigger stick hurts more. And yes I am taking a position against all of the great religions of humanity. What of it? Its not a very effective guilt trip.
Yaaawn!
TROLL B.S. never fails to put me to sleep...
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"TROLL B.S" : recommended by more doctors than any other sleeping aid!!!
"TIOUAISE B.S" recommended when you have more shit in your system than you can handle
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(Note: TIOUAISE has just conked out.)
I've just sprayed shit all over the wall. Must have been a while since I've done that.I guess it all needed to come out though.
TROLL B.S. has a powerful soporific effect on me. Who needs sleeping pills?
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"TROLL B.S" : recommended by more doctors than any other sleeping aid!!!
Seems to me that when in doubt wildly sarcastic comments against someone who has a differing idea from yours is the only way to go
TIOUAISE refers to himself in the third person. Must not have finished elementary school.
P.S. I can do it too
Mini-Corleone fest is what it is.
No, sorry. These people are working for the state and big business. Two things anarchism is against.
In 2011 America, "anarchist" is usually used in a VERY pejorative sense - NOT the sense that YOU have in mind, agnosticnixie.
All over this troll-infested forum, OWS haters are accusing the Movement of being "just a bunch of ANARCHISTS".
So I thought it would be useful to unmask the TRUE ANARCHISTS (again in that pejorative sense).
Or we could educate people instead of pandering... >.>
Are you saying I'm "pandering"?
I am turning aginst the TROLLS - and some of the MSM - their typical garbage about OWS being "troublemakers", "anarchists" and "terrorists".
You must be aware that in the UK as well as in the U.S., authorities are beginning to associate "Occupy" with "terrorism" and that is imo, intellectual dishonesty of the worst kind.
In view of the adoption of NDAA by Congress, it seems to me particularly URGENT to convey a simple but crucial message : that the Great Patriots of OWS are actually fighting to uphold the Constitution and "restore the rule of Law", as Chris Hedges put it.
In-depth discussions about various types of anarchy and anarchism I prefer to leave for the moment to intellectuals. In this time of crisis, I feel it would be a luxury to start lecturing the American public on such complex issues, better suited imo for the classroom than for a popular forum like this.
As I wrote earlier to Fraqtive 42:
"I'm sorry, but the word "anarchist" actually has more than just one meaning and the most COMMON one happens to be very pejorative.
In Merriam-Webster, I find under "anarchist": "a person who believes in, advocates or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially: one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order." And under "anarchism" : "a state of lawlessness or political disorder". In another dictionary I find: "Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists."
I think it's pretty clear that in the context of my post I am in effect using the term in that particular sense, NOT in the sense of the anarchist utopia.
That's easy--The suit and tie mafia. But watch out, there are those on this comment board tonight that worship Corporate America and the Banks--they can do no wrong in their eyes. I find those people incredibly annoying.
The TRUE ORDER in this world is based on Justice, Liberty and Caring for one another.
That is made crystal clear in the PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."
The ESTABLISHED DISORDER is simultaneously assaulting Justice, Liberty and the General Welfare.
These ANARCHISTS have practically finished destroying what FDR had built through the New Deal.
I know. They have torn our constitution to shreds to achieve their objective(s).
This is no longer The United States of America, but the Fascist States of America. It is way too upsetting what is going on.
The Constitution clearly states thet WE THE PEOPLE are sovereign and that GOVERNMENT are elected by us TO SERVE US.
What has happened is that the servants have quietly staged a completely illegitimate coup against their legitimate masters - WE THE PEOPLE - and want to DOMINATE us just like the tinpot tyrants of this world.
This is a shocking TRAVESTY of everything that the United States of America stand for.
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