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Forum Post: Where's the punk rock?

Posted 2 years ago on April 25, 2012, 12:24 a.m. EST by francismjenkins (3713)
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Okay, stupid question (I know), but seriously. I see a lot of folksy music coming out, very tuned into to what's going on (all well and good, nothing wrong with folk), but where's that Dead Kennedy's kind-a-stuff? :)

Is that just too scary for mass consumption?

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[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

Pretty crazy group, but cool in the same way horror flicks are cool, Crass.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

yes most people dont understand punk

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

maybe (punk is basically anarchist music, and most people don't understand even the most basic ideas of anarchism).

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

yeah they don't understand it is a cry of frustration

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5689) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

True. Minimalist rock in response to the bloated, over-produced, commercialized spectacle that rock had become. The pendulum swung, thankfully, to the opposite side.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

explain the pendulum thought more

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5689) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Many of the early punk rockers like the Pistols hated what rock had become. Picture the concerts of the mid-70's by artists like Supertramp; full-blown mega-productions with full orchestras, pyrotechnics, huge marketing budgets. It became corporate. Considering that rock's origins were exactly the opposite, anti-establishment, rebellious, Lydon and the others felt rock had lost its roots. Many of the artists we now consider icons, the punk rockers felt (often rightfully so) were sell-outs. Punk rock is the antithesis of what bands like Boston and Styx came to represent. Chances are you would never have found Johnny Rotten 'breaking bread' with 'Sir Paul.'

On a related note, an A&M Records ex-employee just sold a flawless mint, unplayed copy of 'God Save the Queen' in mint A&M paper sleeve that he had stashed since it's release, and immediate withdrawal from record stores, for a cool $15,000. Wonder what the boys would've thought about that?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

hmm ok i get you. yeah rock is a lot of sell out recently. i always hope my favorite band is like that. Their music is still relent and does raise questions.

[-] 0 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

Read down to the bottom of the thread. Johnny Rotten apparently was like David Lee Roth, Axl Rose, Derek St.Holmes, and Roger Daltry, all of whom had disputes with their groups, which marketed music, made note-for-note, from domestic surveillance. Then they used sync tapes in concert, or they sounded nothing like the records, which all sounded exactly like what I played, and what I could play, again and again. Punk, funk (yes, Blackula also duped), classic rock, Kottke, Benson, and whatever are all made, since 1971, by taking an NSA-ATT-type surveillance operation and expanding it, to Warner-ATCO, MCA (Sony), and the rest. So don't pay 15K, for anything they have.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5689) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Yeah, where's our Pistols reincarnates singing "Anarchy in the USA?"

[-] 1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

Holiday in Cambodia!

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5689) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

That's what we're talking 'bout!

[-] 0 points by MikeInOhio (13) 2 years ago

One of my favorite albums of all time.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5689) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

'Too Drunk to Fuck." Maybe not their best song, but a great song title.

[-] 1 points by MikeInOhio (13) 1 year ago

Oh yes.

[-] -1 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

Haha. The Pistols were a ripoff, made from surveillance. Johnny went back to calling himself Lyden, and no more was made, but for a couple of albums, one hit and one out-take. See also Halen, Who, and any punk-era band, where the lead singer takes off. Maybe it was because the music was ripped, by 70s-era surveillance. Almost certainly, the reasons for lead singer disillusionment were NOT simply because the singer gets more leg, than ripoff Ted Nugent, also a dupist. Listen to Pistols' singer Johnny, doing EMI, get a clue about the ripoff music biz. Sony will buy EMI and jack all kinds of titles, to Japan. But there won't be more driving rock.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5689) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Yeah, I read your other thread. I guess now your going to tell us the Pistols ripped off your shit. And Van Halen, The Who and Nugent, none of which are punk rockers, by the way. You think we don't know what a big rip-off the music industry is? That's one of the things the Pistols hated. In fact, Lydon (it's Lydon, dude, with an 'O') broke up the bank for exactly that reason.

[-] -2 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

I am where the guitar riffs came from. That is the reason I keep trying to post, about the superspy station at Menwith, the NSA, and AT&T, doing corporate ripoff surveilance. The mods keep deleting me. Good to know how to spell, as if I give a rotten crap.

[-] 0 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

Learn to like "folksy" music. If somebody plays guitar, anything like rock, it will get ripped right off, overproduced with some contract vocalist, like those judged on TV by ripoffs Sharon Osbourne and Steven Tyler, and then fans will buy the product, all the way to platinum and diamond shipment standards of the past, and no political change will happen. Go to law school, keep the noise down, and sue the pigs. Or give up. The fakers will just publish titles, like Steely Dan, Steel Wheels, and sing lines, "We are the children, of concrete and steel," but what they mean is, WE STOLE THE MUSIC, FROM SOME GUY PLAYING IN A HOUSE, somewhere.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

Every time I see Steven Tyler, I want to puke. Hey, I got half of it done, I have a law degree (I just lack any semblance of artistic talent) :)

[-] 0 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

Right on, dude! If only cases could be made. What is your field?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

Right now, loosely speaking (I'm just starting out actually), to make a long story short, I'm trying to focus on civil rights & criminal law, and also helping poor folks deal with issues like foreclosure, denial/revocation of benefits, and other similar things. However, I'm also back in school (working towards a grad degree in biology)--thank you GI Bill--so at some point I'd like to become more involved in environmental and intellectual property law (although science for its own sake is extremely interesting to me, maybe I can get lucky, find some big time polluter to sue the hell out of, and I'd have the time and money for intellectual pursuits, like a PhD) :)

[-] 0 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

I will remember you. I wish I'd done law and all that, but I studied business and bounced around, trying to play guitar and start a band. You will glean from my posts, what happened. What state are you in?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

Nothing wrong with trying to start a band, plenty of independent artists make a living ... even though they lack a lucrative recording contract (and of course these days, one can only hope for a recording contract if their music is either commercial garbage to begin with, or they're willing to sacrifice their artistic integrity). But really, these days, commercialization has reached its ultimate extreme. Now, the entertainment industry manufactures artists (on shows like American Idol).

Groups like the Dead Kennedy's could never emerge from this artistic cesspool (so indie is the only way for "real" artists to go).

[-] 0 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

What happened to me, since 1971, at any location I played, at my Dad's house, at my student residences, at other residences, at clubs, in the lounges, on rooftops, at my job in a pinball arcade with machines going ding-ding, I was subjected to thorough surveillance, which was noted by others, including students at CAL, who came up to me, to warn me, to stop blasting, since I was copied, note-for-indentical note, since fall, 1971. Likely, surveillance competent to do plagiarism to people like me was passed into federal law, in 1947, which lets the NSA interact with corporations, like ATT. At any rate, the dupists used my signal, however they could, and sometimes, the dupists sounded like the record, which always sounded like my playing. But I could not get in a band with anybody good. I was frequently told, "Crime pays." I don't think music is a good profession, for me. I no longer own a guitar. Right before I quit, in 1992 the Blue Angels overflew me, for about a couple of hours, including while I was on my bike, riding to a neighboring town, and for awhile after I got there and practiced tennis, so we were all really sure what we were all up to that day, after they did a feature with Van Hagar. The Blues knew what was going on, including when Sammy was telling them to fly higher and higher, away from ripoffs, down on the deck. Don't expect a lot more Halen, man. They don't make that brand.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

Now we have youtube .... where aspiring artists can immediately publish their works, and get copyright protection. This gets their name out there, it's good evidence in a copyright infringement case, but we do also need better ways for artists to make money (like an itunes sort of thing, but not operated by a major corporation). With all those creative minds in Brooklyn, I can't believe no one has started something like an itunes for indie music (and a site that keeps indie fans abreast of what's happening in indie music, who don't live in places like Brooklyn or LA or whatever).

[-] 0 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

Indie-scenes have improved, a lot. Still, I have no illusions, about being able to get other performers to play with me and my music, before some corporate overproducer can rip my playing and add drums, bass, and vocals. I am now 60, and I have no illusions of being able to get other musicians, to do anything at all, for me, before some ripoff with write-offs and attorneys at both government and corporate practices can get 'r done.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Punk (alternative life/music) was essentially the Anti-Statusquo of the moment. It was the OWS in the 70s to 80s. But it was wacked, exterminated, and even co-opted by the Corps. Is that news????Now we get our punk on, by ,over classic rock.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJAlIHsXcLY

I used to drink with these guys and John Belushi at the Brainblow.

[-] -2 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

Corporate punk in the 70s was fueled by government and corporate surveillance, capable of stealing the riffs right off my fretboard, to overproduce these, as Pistols, Ramones, and others. I don't believe DKs were a ripoff. They often played at Barrington Hall, the UC students' co-op where I lived and a lot of ripoffs happened, right over the phone. Don't expect music to get beyond gangsta, nowadays. It has beats, but profiteers have ruined everything, including this website. Any truth here is likely irrelevant.

[-] 2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Take your Celexa, will ya.

Fear: Let's Have a War!

[-] -3 points by bobgnote (-55) 1 year ago

You are a punk, whose head occupies his butt. Truth or dare, punk.