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Forum Post: Where do criminals get their guns?

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 24, 2013, 7:34 p.m. EST by brightonsage (4494)
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Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, will report data from a 2004 survey of inmates in state prisons in a chapter in a book titled “Reducing Gun Violence in America,” to be published Jan. 28 by Johns Hopkins Press.

The offenders were incarcerated from crimes committed with handguns, and this is how they reported how they obtained the guns:

Licensed gun dealer: 11 percent

Friends or family: 39.5 percent

“The street:” 37.5 percent

Stolen gun: 9.9 percent

Gun show/Flea market: 1.7 percent

In other words, only a relatively small percentage was purchased from licensed dealers. Obama’s proposal on universal background checks, however, allows for “limited, common-sense exceptions for cases like certain transfers between family members and temporary transfers for hunting and sporting purposes.”

So the last three sources should be addressed and at least some of the "Friends or family" category.

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[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Maybe this should have been, "How guns get their criminals?"

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

And he did it again.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Natch'

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Obviously, we can add some categories together. So we agree.

Friends or family: 39.5 percent
“The street:” 37.5 percent
Stolen gun: 9.9 percent

Total From Illegal Sources = 86.9 Percent (2 standard Deviations) are from Illegal Sources.

You have to add family and friends in since they know the man/woman has already been in trouble or has been in a gang or in gang trouble.... I'm not a policeman, but buying stuff off the street is pretty clearly an illegal purchase if it is used in a crime. Private citizens can sell guns to each other, but if the seller has a criminal history, has sold guns to criminals, or dosen't care if the buyer is a criminal... sounds illegal to me. But you might want to throw out part of the "street Sales as Legal". Probably the end result is 60% of the guns used in Crimes we would all agree are illegal sales.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

That is how I see it. The family transactions will take place and after a crime is committed and the gun is traced back the family can be together again, in jail.

As public awareness of this grows, family members won't be so ready to give that shiftless druggie Eddie that pistol.

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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

THOSE WHO CAN – DO
THOSE WHO CAN’T - RANT

YOU CAN DO:

1►
learn as much as you can about the numbers that prove what the solutions are

2►
demand a plan:

http://www.youtube.com/user/maigcoalition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za8SOVuGHs&list=UUu4Q7iE0z1Jw7yUjs56dvXA&index=1

alex jones – without his straight jacket!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

multi-millionaire gun manufacturer wayne lapierre who works for koch brothers & gets paid over $1,000,000 / year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dar6K2STVVQ

3►
WRITE CONGRESS:

find your congresspeople

house:
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
senate:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm
VP Joe Biden, Gun Panel, 1600 Pennsylvania Av, Washington DC 20006


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Dear ............................:

[ _ Y.O.U.R...I.N.T.R.O...H.E.R.E_ ]

While some people may want to confiscate guns, I don’t.
Here is a much more feasible, practical, logical approach.
It will not solve all gun problems, but it will
reduce the number of guns
and will
reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns
and isn't THAT our real goal?

My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between
cars & guns.

Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America
with our 11,000+ gun disasters:


1►
all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.

If you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car - you are tested in each.
Require a written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws thus
being forced to know the law - via the test – also means the police know who you are - and you may be less likely to commit a crime or be careless storing your guns.

2►
every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.

Insurance should be at least as high as car insurance
[ I would like at least $1,000,000 ]
You must prove your car insurance.
Require an annual back ground check ( with fee ) to verify your suitability to own guns.
Every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock.

3►
as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

You are required to report if your gun is missing within 48 hours,
The owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief.

4►
every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police

Knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it.

additionally -

Gun fees [ licenses fees & registration fees & fines ] should be
high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

Penalties must be very high in money & jail time -
especially after the first offense

No citizens ( except dealers & collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

Gun registration fees should be higher for more guns & for bigger guns.

The nra will fight against this –
but will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the nra emplyees –
the gun companies - understand that gun owners
can get paid to turn in their old gun and will be able to buy a new gun -
with an INTEGRATED lock .

If we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers
and free up police "time" for real crime investigation

We WILL get higher compliance and lower opposition if we use high fees & buyback.

Take a position of reducing guns, like assault weapons such as
semi-automatic rifles & pistols
rather than punishing a gun nut who spent $10,000 on an armory.

LBJ proposed a gun plan similar to the above 4 point plan

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Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:

VERY IMPORTANT:
The 1994 gun "ban" did NOT ban assault weapons.
It banned the MANUFACTURE of assault weapons.

Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned ; 2.97 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: England.…: 6,200 guns owned ; 0.07 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned ; 0.14 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned ; 0.51 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: France….: 31,000 guns owned ; 0.06 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned ; 0.08 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned ; 0.90 homicides Per 100,000


http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2012/rft-annual-trend-and-demographic-tables-2011-12.xls
The above link is to England police statistics - see table D19

Is the nra & its trolls claiming that we will fail, where England & Australia succeeded in reducing gun deaths substantially by legislation?
Did England ban violence in movies?


Statistics clearly prove that the number of guns adds to the risk of homicides.

More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.

When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been an incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.

In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England

For 2011, the average Murder Rate in Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9

Scalia - yes that Scalia - has stated the AR15s are NOT “protected” by Article 2 and that government can regulate them
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that there are "undoubtedly" limits to a person's right to bear arms under the Second Amendment, but that future court cases will have to decide where to draw the line. That link could be between you and an bushmaster.
During an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," Scalia was asked whether lawmakers have the right to ban high-capacity gun magazines without violating a person's constitutional right to bear arms. "We'll see," Scalia said, suggesting that future court cases will determine what limitations on modern-day weapons are permissible.
"Some limitations undoubtedly are permissible because there were some that were acknowledged at the time" the Constitution was written, Scalia said. He cited a practice from that era known as "frighting," where people "carried around a really horrible weapon just to scare people. That was, I believe, a misdemeanor."
"So yes, there are some limitations that can be imposed," Scalia said. "What they are will depend on what the society understood were reasonable limitations at the time."
The conservative justice notably authored the Supreme Court's 2008 opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, which ruled that the Second Amendment protects a person's right to bear arms. The court ruled that "the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited."
Scalia pointed out that that the Second Amendment "obviously" doesn't apply to weapons that can't be hand-carried, and modern-day weapons like "hand-held rocket launchers that can bring down airplanes" weren't factored in at the time of the writing of the Constitution.
"My starting point and probably my ending point will be what limitations are within the understood limitations that the society had at the time," he said. "They had some limitations on the nature of arms that could be borne. So we'll see what those limitations are as applied to modern weapons."

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

I don't know how much extra credit I am allowed to give you, but the meter is pegged.

On another post I suggested the need for a "fear index meter." Then ask two questions: "Do you fear a person with a gun/' And, "Do you fear a person without a gun?" Which number is higher? Do you fear men in white coats? Here the come.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Many criminals in DC get their guns from states with weak gun laws - like VA
The state with the most gun crime has the weakest gun laws LA
Any surprise these are confederate states?

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Blood is red. The South will writhe again.

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[-] 0 points by conservatroll (117) 1 year ago

Oh yeah, the guys selling guns in paper bags are surely gonna comply with background checks.

Extending background checks is in effect registration since it can safely be assumed the FBI has been ignoring the law on not retaining bg check info for the last 20 years. They have refused to answer Senators that have asked and various FOIA requests,

Registration is a necessary first step to confiscation.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

And registration is quite Constitutional. Good idea. Thanks.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Not really interested in confiscation but if you insist.....

Remember how we eliminated much of the mob (mafia) rule in this country? Tax evasion. Law breakers go to jail. This way, after the cops shoot the perp with the gun they go to the person the gun came from. You get rid of a perp and an idiot. It's a two fer.

[-] -1 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

You believe it's alright to suspend the Constitutional rights of all Americans to supposedly catch a few "law breakers".

You must live in a vacuum of your own ignorance.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

No, I think a lot of progress can be made, in spite of the misunderstanding/misinterpretation of the Constitution by Scalia et al. Even they left reasonable regulation intact. No suspension required. There is plenty of fresh air out here. Fewer echos than in that stuffy Faux chamber. Come on out.

[-] -2 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

"progress" is just Leftist propaganda for destroying the Founder's America and that old stale,wrinkly outdated piece of paper called the Constitution (which is living and breathing of course,..right?).

You're just a tool of tyranny and despotism.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

I understand history, my family wrote it. They were the founders fathers and grand fathers. The Constitution as had a few amendments, as I recall. Even the Magna Carts was changed. and some of our current SC justices testified under oath about their commitment to "Stare Decisis", what is called settled law and as soon as they were in office, they violated that testimony and changed the settled law by SC over ride. Must be living and breathing, right? I guess we are both tools then.

[-] 0 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

Actually no. I believe in the right to keep and bear arms. You however want to take that right away.

See,you're a Tool,just not the sharpest one in the Leftist propaganda shed.

Once the right to keep and bear arms are put asunder by your pals the Democrats and Leftist's in Washington every other Constitutional right will fall and tyranny will rule.

You may LOL and dismiss this,but this IS how free people become subjugated by tyranny.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

Ronald Reagan.

Wake up.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

I particularly liked, "Bedtime for Bonzo." BTW he urged the passage of the Brady Bill. He said a lot oif interesting things the right wing would like to forget.

[-] -2 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

I would expect nothing less from a low information voter.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

It's "nothing more"

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

We can trace vehicles used in a crime, hit and run, robberies, mass murders, why shouldn't we trace guns? If the founders were so omniscient and if their intention in the 2nd amendment was so that there would be a successful "next revolution," why wouldn't they have included "vehicles," they being so essential to successful revolutionaries? Then we wouldn't have license plates or registration?

[-] -2 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

"Registration is a necessary first step to confiscation."

I'm glad there's another sane voice on this site for a change.

[-] 3 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

"A gun is a necessary first step to gun violence." Got any more of these original haikus?

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[-] -2 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

Are you really that dumb or are you just pretending?

If you're trying to be clever,better give it up cause you're a low information Djobama Unchained voter and intelligent consideration isn't your forte.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

What is said in my little haiku is true. And it came from my own head. What is said in the one you borrowed is not. Who is dumb? What is that in parrot IQ?

[-] 0 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

I don't "borrow" haiku's,...wtf??? Wtf are you talking about???

Is this where you start disintegrating into Leftist babble and become unintelligible??

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Conservatrol used in in the first post you responded to. I am sure he didn't originate it either, since something similar was used in Congressional testimony by Morgan in 1975.

Read your script.

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[-] -1 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

And the disintegration begins.

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[-] -1 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

Gun control isnt about guns, it's about control. An unarmed society cannot fight a totalitarian govt.

[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

I belive you are 100% correct.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Your are worrying about the wrong threat. This won't be a totalitarian government until the Tea Party takes control. Ain't gonna happen.

[-] 2 points by BitterClinger (8) 1 year ago

Tell that to Japanese Americans in 1940. Or have they taken that little episode out of the history books since it was done by that leftist idol FDR? It not only CAN happen, it HAS happened and it most certainly will not be wrought by a grassroots group of people that are tired of wasteful govt spending. And no, I am NOT talking about welfare. I would sure like to see a detailed accounting of every federal agency;s spending. Expense accts and office furniture, etc, not to mention extremely generous benefit pkgs, the likes not seen by the working man, but paid for by him.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

BitterClinger? Wow, Must be a Neo-con!!!

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

And if you would have had your AR, you would have kept the government from putting the Nisei in the camps? Suuuure. And your tinfoil helmet.

[-] 1 points by BitterClinger (8) 1 year ago

Typical Alinsky tactic. Atrempt to ridicule an opposing point of view when you really cannot defend your own. After 4 years of Obama leaning on that tactic, not to mention it's overuse one this forum, I am getting tired of it. Speaking of that, what has become of VQag?

Were, or were not the internment camps created for Japanese Americans an example of unconstitutional govt oppression, or not?

And I see you cannot back up your dispargement of the Tea Party.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Yes and committing torture was an un Constitutional government act. And listening to your every phone call, email and text message, without a warrant ism as well, I don't agree with those either. And you haven't quite stopped those have you? The Tea Party has been documented as Koch mercenaries. No further comment necessary

[-] 0 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

BitterClinger,...wished I thought of that.

" what has become of VQag?"

Good question but,...does anybody really care??

LOL!!

[-] 0 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

if the ows people do not talk about fdr ( the idol of the dems) arresting americans of japanese and german descent and putting them in internment camps in the usa, it didnt happen.

[-] 0 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

You already voted for your "totalitarian" government. And now you've got it.

Despot's confiscate guns,that's just what your Djobama Unchained is in the process of doing. Or haven't you been paying attention? Put down the bong will ya?

The "TEA Party" will be the savior of this country.

You're clueless.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Go back to work on your secession plans. Don't forget the other red states.

If we could get rid of the Koch party, it would be a better world.

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[-] 0 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

Good thing you low information voters have your head in the sand and can maintain a long term condition of denial. You're going to need it.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

And I forgot my tin foil hat. It will ruin my coiffure. Paranoia is a treatable condition, BTW.

[-] -1 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

"Paranoia is a treatable condition, BTW."

You should consider that,...based upon your ranting about the TEA Party.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

It is pure astroturf plus what the Koch's mentor (and I knew him) called "dupes." Dupes are those who join a cause that benefits someone else who is actually exploiting them.

[-] 0 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

Well based on your description,....I guess you didn't know this, ...but you're an Obama Dupe.

How does it feel??

You're an Obama Dupe,Tool,Shill and loyal Drone.... this must be your real talent after all.

Why don't you try defending your "Precious",that might prove even more entertaining.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Defending that which needs no defense? Good Sir, "at the length the truth will out."

From Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice, 1596:

[-] -2 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

Shake-a-spear was a Leftist Brit..who gives a shit,....4+yrs later and Obama's truth IS out and defending him will wear thin on even the most caustic Liberal out there.

But low information voters like you are continually fooled by the propaganda that spews from your MSN,DailyKos,Media Matters,Huffington,Democracy Now and whatever anti-freedom/pro-Government mouthpiece you kneel to.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

You seem to see everything through a left-right lens, so you can flip to the response dictated by the intellectuals at Faux snooze Sure saves on thinking..

Shakespeare a leftest? (Hadn't been invented.) But he killed people left and right. You must have loved those parts?

[-] 2 points by owsarmy (300) 1 year ago

Left and right has always existed. Certainly not called left or right. but the notion that we should help each other (left) has existed since we lived in caves just as the concept that "I got mine, if you don't tough on you" (right) as well. I think during Shakespears time the left ideology was not in practice anywhere of note. But since the early 20th century we have seen the rise of the left. Occupy represents a rebirth in America of that ideology. Let's hope we succeed.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

I agree. My point was that nobody was self identifying as left or right. If I am not mistaken it may have been the French. Blame it on them anyway.

[-] -1 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

And the disintegration continues. Very predictable.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Long live disintegration.

[-] -2 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

Rejoice in your ignorance and revel in your darkness.

[-] -3 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

The TEA party believes in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. Obama administration does not.They ( obama & co.) are the totalitarians.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Ofter they cherry pick it, and misinterpret it. Check the polls for the "Consent of the governed." There was an election. Define "totalitarian"".

[-] -2 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

centralized control by an autocratic leader ( obama is doing his best to achieve that) There was an " election" in the sense that an election was held, but the outcome was nevr in doubt by the obama machine. scytl.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

There was this guy called Bush....

[-] -1 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

he isnt the president. obama is

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

That comment was regarding autocracy. And that you lost more rights then than you have since. Some were lost through Patriot Act etc., but many more through the unprecedented use of signing statements (the equivalent of decrees not legislation.) In March 2009, the New York Times cited a different metric, the number of sections within bills that were challenged in signing statements:

"Mr. Bush ... broke all records, using signing statements to challenge about 1,200 sections of bills over his eight years in office, about twice the number challenged by all previous presidents combined, according to data compiled by Christopher Kelley, a political science professor at Miami University in Ohio.
[-] -3 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

LMAO,if we're to actually take you serious and believe you we would have to suspend all reality and believe that the last four years was all Bush's fault.

Obama had nothing to do with sustaining over 7-8+% unemployment rates,prolonging recession/high gas/energy prices and increasing the debt to over $16 trillion in less then 3 yrs. while delivering by force the single largest,most unpopular Government welfare and control system program ever in the disguise of an "Affordable Care Act".

It must be Bush's fault that Obama and the Democrats now are going to subvert the Constitution and disembowel the 2nd Amendment by force while attempting a national gun confiscation also,...right??

You are a low information voter and you must be mentally ill as well.

[-] 2 points by gsw (2880) 1 year ago

You forgot your cousins who control govnt by theft--The repub congress hacks.

The people should of kicked their butts long ago. Now the people are waking up.

We're givin a choice of 2 least offensive corporate goons-- not the best system available

Obama was the best the "opposition" put up under the system. Most should be impeached.

That's a pendulum swing of the electorate ..and it's going to the left.

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[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

The point is that you lost more rights under Bush than you have since. Google Bush executive orders and signing statements

In March 2009, the New York Times cited a different metric, the number of sections within bills that were challenged in signing statements:

"Mr. Bush ... broke all records, using signing statements to challenge about 1,200 sections of bills over his eight years in office, about twice the number challenged by all previous presidents combined, according to data compiled by Christopher Kelley, a political science professor at Miami University in Ohio.

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[-] -3 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

Do you need other people to define words for you now as well??

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

What you are referring to is so far back I can't determine what you are referring to?

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[-] 1 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

No they don't.

Teabagge(R)s raised my taxes and instituted tyranny here in Michigan.

They are liars of a most insidious sort.

[-] -1 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

Please be specific, which ( who) TEA party people raised your taxes? Please explain " instituted tyranny".

[-] 1 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Please do your own research.

It's really not that hard.

Just type Michigan into the search box here on the forum.

[-] -1 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

you made the statement, you back it up.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Usurping duly elected officials is tyranny.

You just refuse to notice.

[-] -1 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

there was an " election" to keep the vast majority of people quiet , but there never really was an election. all for show. scytl.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

So the country should be run by self appointed teabagge(R)s?

Making sense isn't your strong point is it?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (35005) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

koch loves the tea-party.

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[-] -1 points by conservatroll (117) 1 year ago

And an armed society is a polite society.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

More name calling on this site in support of guns than anything else except antiabortion. Isn't polite like civil?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Got to hand it to you, brightonsage, I would have torched these Zombies way back there. But is debunking BS of "this caliber" of any use? They are completely hopeless [dittoheads] and anyone in agreement is too.

I'd just present the facts in question regarding all these people getting shot by all these God Damn guns we have here (50% of the worlds guns for only 5% of the world's population ~ DUH, What could possibly go wrong?):

Gun Violence - U.S. vs The World

How bad is America's gun violence problem? Worse than many other nations - combined. [Wake the fucking hell UP!!]

One of the more disgusting myths the no-regulation, [No Government, Frightened, Misguided, Hillbilly Taliban, Teabagistanner] pro-gun extremists keep lamely attempting to use as a defense of their indefensible position is that gun violence in America isn't THAT bad, when compared to other countries.

Thankfully, Richard Florida and the team at The Atlantic magazine decided to debunk that extremist blather, and post the results on the map below:

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/01/gun-violence-us-cities-compared-deadliest-nations-world/4412/

Bottom Line: We The People's right to life TRUMPS their gun fetish. PERIOD!!

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Well said. But don't you know that the good guys aren't allowed to speak passionately? Sheriffs are ready to make the law before anything is introduced.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I should, if you're talking about "Hall Monitors."

But then there is this:

The Latest Mass Shooting Occurred While the Senate Was Debating What To Do About Guns

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/01/30/arizona_shooting_five_wounded_during_office_shooting_spree_at_same_time.html

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

La Pierre claimed to be representing 4.5 million NRA members, However, 80% of them support universal background checks. So who was he really representing? Gun manufacturers, of course.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Yet the gun nuts believe he is defending their god given rights.

As always with the Reich Wing/GOP just follow the money.

also:

The gun is the physical manifestation of diseased and insidious RW "individualist," anti-government imprinting. The poison pill -- the inanimate Manchurian Candidate -- of and for divide and conquer.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Maybe we should require all gun nuts to wear special clothing. Yellow vests perhaps? That way they would know whom to shoot first? What is the color of cowardice?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/insane-america-meets-sane-america-over-gun-control/


[-] 1 points by KevinPotts (223) 20 hours ago

"I've got one that can see!"

( 5:37 - 7:04 )

Greatest Scenes In Film: THEY LIVE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inZUDMGJsKo

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago
[-] 0 points by conservatroll (117) 1 year ago

More like the pot calling the kettle black.

[-] -2 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

Feinsteins gun control bill exempts govt " officials. "

[-] -3 points by livingston9 (-154) 1 year ago

Never a truer statement has been made,thanks.