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Forum Post: When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. -S. Wonder

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 22, 2012, 8:06 p.m. EST by jph (2652)
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You do know that money is debt right? ( http://www.moneyasdebt.net ) Banksters do not rule because people choose to "borrow", they rule because they control the Money System and the "economies" of the whole planet.

Do you know that ALL your tax dollars go directly to the banksters,. and all spending is new borrowing? Not just borrowing, but borrowing at interest from private for profit banks (the 1% owns)?

Do you know this does not NEED to be the "way it is" that other economic models exist,. ones that do not have in-built systems that siphon off large percents of interest for the 1%, for doing nothing,. systems that increase the wealth of the planet instead of striping it down? There is plenty to provide for all life on this planet, it is being horded by a greedy few, and masses of humanity are made to needlessly suffer and die. The systems that actually sustain life on the planet are being quickly depleted to this end; pure hate-filled greed.

The banker rule is the greedy few simply raping the rest of us over and over for generations,. your children will be born into perpetual slavery, if you choose to not change this fact. We have the power we have the numbers, we have the knowledge,. we can change this!

Starting is as easy as having a potluck with your friends and neighbors!




relocalize, permaculture, slowmoney, degrowth, etc.

[ this was a response to a gun-head in one of the many gun-related threads infesting the site currently,. I liked what I wrote and re-post it for easy access,. Happy Solstice All! ]



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[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

They create money out of nothing and give it to the big banks. Where do you think they got the trillions from? The Wall Street government has a monetary policy strictly based on giving Wall Street and the big banks money.

Then those banks gave millions more to politicians who then voted to give billions more to the banks.

We need real reform like Dennis Kucinich's HR 2990

Great post jph!

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

yes their are sane voices in all the noise from the 1% tools,. . we need to focus on the good ideas and ignore the fearful and the nonsensical haters.

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

You're right on.

There is a new 1% movement trying to twist the "End the Fed" movement into a position that would give the banks more power. People must be aware of this.

The banks have infiltrated the internet and are pushing bullshit policy onto those who don't quite understand the Federal Reserve system. They push that the Federal Reserve is corrupt, BUT they then try to say that the banks need to be given the powers of the Federal Reserve. This is beyond fucked. I've come across this several times on different forums. Just a heads up.

The real truth needs to get out there. Monetary reform like in HR2990 would create jobs and provide for a more prosperous America that focuses on people and not the banks.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

yes, the 1% greed-heads always jump on any movement, (even occupy, to a degree), and attempt (largely successfully) to co-opt, steer, and mutate them into the directions that work into their twisted plans.

Most people are realizing that the power has shifted to the banks,. the banks are private, for the profit of the few, and highly destructive to communities and people everywhere. As this becomes more and more apparent to most folks the solutions will be more easily seen to be just that, solutions.

relocalize, permaculture, slowmoney, degrowth, etc.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22423) 2 years ago

Here is an article that Shadz just posted a link to:


The economic statistics are mind numbing. It just does not have to be this way. There is enough wealth to go around and better ways to set up our society.

[-] 3 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Starting is as easy as having a potluck with your friends and neighbors!




relocalize, permaculture, slowmoney, degrowth, etc.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22423) 2 years ago

Those are great links. Thanks for the positive input.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22423) 2 years ago

Great post, jph. If we don't focus here, we won't get anywhere.

[-] 2 points by rayolite (461) 2 years ago

If we can't relocalize directly, then we need to support an Article V convention and take the principles of relocalization and incorporate them into amendment of the constitution.

Relocalization is very constitutional.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 2 years ago

All of our money (except coins) is initiated a loan from a private bank. Even our bills, Federal Reserve Notes, (a note is a debt instrument) are initiated as a loan from one of the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks.

Stock in the Federal Reserve Banks is issued exclusively to the member banks of the districts. Privately owned banks own the Federal Reserve Banks which are federal in name only.

It’s the Interest, Stupid! Why Bankers Rule the World Ellen Brown November 3, 2012


In the 2012 edition of Occupy Money released last week, Professor Margrit Kennedy writes that a stunning 35% to 40% of everything we buy goes to interest. This interest goes to bankers, financiers, and bondholders, who take a 35% to 40% cut of our GDP. That helps explain how wealth is systematically transferred from Main Street to Wall Street. The rich get progressively richer at the expense of the poor, not just because of “Wall Street greed” but because of the inexorable mathematics of our private banking system.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Yes, this is exactly why we need to move away from the pyramid-scam that is this current monetary system.

using; relocalize, permaculture, slowmoney, degrowth, etc.

Many alternatives of exchange have been devised and more are being worked on all the time it is only a mater of educating enough of the people to make the changes required. There is always a tipping point when the people demand a change and the powers that stand in the way realize they can no longer get away with their scam.

[-] 0 points by FawkesNews (1290) 2 years ago

Who comprises the FED? What country are they truly loyal to? Why do we continue to allow this shit to remove the futures from our children? What can be done about it?

They get away with this because they are not afraid of us. That simple.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Yes the FED is a private for profit bank,. that has taken the right to create money from the people. This situation is wrong on its face, and should be tolerated no longer.

However instead of making attempts at reforming this broken system (it is highly defended by those benefiting, from it!) I would suggest simply ignoring it, and not supporting it at all. Simply create new systems that do work in our favor, and channel our resources, ideas, and power into those.

See; relocalize, permaculture, slowmoney, degrowth, etc.

Real change rises from the grass roots,. from the people living everyday lives who decide to do what is in their best interest, and not that of those pissing down on them.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 2 years ago

If more Americans were aware of the intricacies, origins and ownership of the FED there would be not a single sole with the ignorance to defend it.

Ignoring it in favor of new systems is important but it will not willingly go away. In fact it will retaliate with a fervor yet unseen in it's history. It needs to be confronted head on, scrutinized and held accountable for what it has done to this country.

The ideas you have suggested are critical to the advancement of the world as a whole and are independent of the policies of the FED.

Ignoring this massive problem is complacency of it, as well as collusion to it. Real change will happen at a grass root level because so much MSM is controlled by those with a primary interest in protecting what the FED is.

Thank you.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Actively building alternatives to the monetary system IS the solution,. it is not "complacency", it is not a retreat of an acceptance of the broken system.

What I am pointing out is that directly opposing the money system, is not likely to be productive, as the system is so well defended by the powers that currently gain from running it the way it is. By not participating in it, and building functioning alternatives to it we can brake the hold on power these banksters have taken for themselves.

I do not see any this or that though, it is a 'both and' situation,. I will support those trying to reform it, however I think they largely will be wasting efforts. All efforts are welcome in my book.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 2 years ago

Reform it? No.

I am merely calling for Americans to understand it and thus act upon that understanding in a way that is appropriate for the crimes it continues to perpetrate upon America.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

sure, holding those who offend justice to account is often a good way to reinforce positive culture,. it is better to build up than tare down, but there are some that need taring down!

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 2 years ago

Useingthe pieces of the demolition to build anew is always helpful.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24084) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Banksters + Bernie Madoff makeovers = YaaaaaaaaaYyyyyyy