Forum Post: When ignorance, self righteousness, predjudice, racism and apathy become commonplace in a nation, results like this occur.
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 29, 2011, 9:29 p.m. EST by FawkesNews
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Amount of money allocated for the 9/11 Commission: $14 million or $.04 per person.
Americans spent $41 billion a year on pets or $131.05 per person average. Not everyone has pets.
When the people of any country are ready to accept, that the value of the life of a fellow citizen, is worth a mere .0305227% of their pet, annually, the citizen of that country is absolutely, definitively, thoroughly fucked.
Numbers? I used. 312,856,000 population in America.
Your correlations do not directly relate to one another. One is paid for by the individual and the other is paid for by tax dollars allocated by one agency.
Who controls that agency? The people, or a group with another agenda that has purchased politicians? Are you content with the government you have?
Not content at all. But making comparisons that do not match, just gives fuel to the opposition. Individuals paid that money directly to individual situations. Taxes that are given to an agency are paid by individuals, but are allocated by some type of board of directors. Besides, the amount of money poured into any venture does not dictate its success. Compare two agencies on how they direct the monies and then we can talk. Good luck in your new year.
Happy New Year. One nickel per taxpayer was enough to satiate any questions regarding the cause and justification for expensive wars, abroad. Yet 131 dollars per year, per person, in America alone, does not satiate some need for pets' comfort. Fascinating. That was my point. Thanks.
I would agree that you occupiers are ignorant, self righteous, prejudice, and racist. If you would just move to Europe you would fit right in. You could get on the welfare system over there and help to bankrupt them. The 99% of Americans are not with you. Or should I say the 99.9%. The working Americans would appreciate it if you would leave so we would no longer have to support you. Goodbye and good riddance.
You support me?
Sometimes I wonder what the State of the Union speech would sound like if the truth was used a little more.
Cacophony. The music of masses.
“Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine”
When you add up all the trials and tribulations being visited on the poor in this country–and “the poor” is a vast category that gets bigger day by day–and you weigh billions in Homeland Security anti-terrorism outfits for police against dwindling food and shelter for children–well, something just isn’t right here. There’s something rotten in the state of America.
Transition Times: http://bethechange2012.wordpress.com/2011/12/29/let-your-life-be-a-counter-friction-to-stop-the-machine/
Yikes. I have not yet thrown myself upon the cogs. When I do, you will know. Yes, something is definitely rotten in America, and the world.
So should we have laws that limit how much we are allowed to spend on pets?
Laws do nothing unless just. Inherently. Does your pet mean more to you than your fellow citizen? Why?
My fellow citizen means very little to me. He bytches and moans about everything under the sun. If you don't like your situation, stop telling me, because I'm tired of listening to the whining. You make your own lot in life, so STFU and take a little personal responsibility.
I am sorry you feel so about your fellow citizen. You are bitching and moaning, about those who bitch and moan. You and your fellow citizen are identical. So, take a little responsibility. Please.
Laws are "just" are subjective. Your idea of what is just may be different from mine. Since you think that somehow the 911 report compares to spending on pet care I'm skeptical about your ideas of what is just.
Understood. Please understand that the amount of interest is reflected in spending. Then reply. Why does your pet deserve more of your interest, your money and your time, than your fellow citizen?
An individual citizen had no say in what the government paid for that study. And individual citizen does have a say in what they spend on their pet. is this thread a joke?
This thread is no joke. It is a proof of what is truly important to Americans, as well as a proof of what is not. I would gladly spend more money on investigations regarding that particular incident, but many other Americans would not be willing, simply because they would rather spend their money elsewhere.
Why? Because you didn't like the outcome of the commission? What exactly was your complaint about the findings?
You can eat cat food and save money. Would you like the outcome? Is it healthy? Does it satisfy? Would you be happy with it? You get what you pay for.
I'm asking you SPECIFICS about the outcome that you didn't like. You should be able to answer that. In fact, it should be easy for you given the topic you posted.
What did you not like about the outcome and/or the findings of the 9/11 commission???
A dress with a cum stain received more funding than the deaths of Americans. That is what I am upset with. Why do you hate your fellow Americans?
Amount spent on an investigatory commission has nothing to do with the level of concern unless the outcome was poor. It wasn't. The commission did it's job and what it was supposed to. If you didn't like the outcome, then tell us SPECIFICALLY what you didn't like about the outcome.
You seem to be avoiding that. I wonder why. Maybe because you have no good answer and just wanted to bytch about something?
Telling us what you didn't like or felt lacking about the outcome should be easy for you.
LOL on the whole hating fellow Americans bit. You sound like a crackpot.
See above.
Okay. One more time. The people had no say on how much was spent on that study. The people never have any say on what those ass clowns spend. The comparison is NOT valid. Wake up!
Do you actually believe the people have no part in government in America. You need to study America? The comparison is valid and its implications are as well. Better yet are you content with the results of such a mediocre study?
You are amazingly stupid. Did I say the people had no say in government? So please provide a list of who voted to spend that amount on that study? What the ripe fuck is wrong with you? Maybe you better check yourself before you make fun of a network. Oh, and shove your conspiracy shit up your ass. I hope you aren't representative of OWS "thinking".
Thanks for the insults. Please refrain from tiring yourself out with them. I shall now cease your fraudulent discussions.
Yeah. You go girl. Retard.
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Not every problem we have is the result of a lack of funding.
Money can't fix everything.
Most commissions are just another paper shuffle. In fact, about all we do anymore is shuffle paper. We don't need people asking for more money to do it.
The difference between a two hundred dollar car and a two hundred thousand dollar car is more than aesthetic. One actually performs better. The same can be said for many things.
What did you not like about the performance of the 9/11 commission??? BE SPECIFIC.
(or do you just like to hear yourself talk)
Specifics? What I posted is that Americans are 1zillion times less concerned about the deaths of their own neighbors than they are about their pets. Is it that difficult for you to understand. Do you eat catfood for the flavor or the savings? Clearly you are not concerned with the deaths of the very people you share a community with.
Amount spent on an investigatory commission has nothing to do with the level of concern unless the outcome was poor. It wasn't. The commission did it's job and what it was supposed to. If you didn't like the outcome, then tell us SPECIFICALLY what you didn't like about the outcome.
You seem to be avoiding that. I wonder why. Maybe because you have no good answer and just wanted to bytch about something?
What outcome would have been different if we had spent additional funding for the committee???????????????????
Telling us what you didn't like or felt lacking about the outcome should be easy for you.
Are you implying that the commission report was adequate regardless of the expense? The space shuttle disaster were investigated with essentially thrice the funding, and there were no wars directly related to the results. You seek answers to questions and seek them from me. I ask you this question... Why were the bin Laden family allowed to flee the country in private jets at a time when the airspace was sealed. Here's another.... Why are the results disputed by a growing number of materials engineers.
I'm going to offer you an alternative point of view. Are you intelligent, humble, fair minded, and concerned enough about THIS COUNTRY-to even read 1 essay online from the link I'm posting here?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-doesnt-everyone-know-this/
Because today I added my own personal support to that of every social engineer and author and research scientist involved in developing a definition for the MESS we are experiencing AND the most effective tools for SOLVING that mess. It's all in that link above.
And if you are a curious/honest/sincere American citizen-just try googling "wicked problem" or "social mess" and tell me WHY not one news outlet or blog or "powerful voice" of ANY media type has said ANYTHING about this in the 30+ years since it came about? It's ALL scholarly.
Wicked problem. I am studying that now. Please be patient. Although I find the above posting similar, I also find it undeniably not a wicked problem. So I again ask for patience, as I will read what you have suggested.
Thank you SO much.
Wicked problems have no solutions? If there are solutions, the solutions create further problems? I know this may sound basal, but I do not feel that the apathy experienced by Americans, can be discounted as unsolvable. I feel that the post I made describes both the problem and solution, albeit rather dystopian. The lack of concern felt by Americans, regarding the deaths of their own people, reflect what will become of Americans in the future. I hope I made sense. I do not believe these to be Wicked Problems. I believe awareness will solve them.
You are welcome and as I said, I am studying that right now. Sometimes I still learn here.
No-wicked problems CAN have solutions. The problem is THEY are complicated. It's a complicated problem and it has to be worked out in a different way than simple "tame" problems are. But the American population isn't even aware of that fact.
(For those reading my comments, the word "wicked" in "wicked problems" is not a religious term as in "evil" its a term that means "huge" "complicated" "enormous" instead. Example "That was a wicked storm we had last night". )
Perhaps the controversy revolves around whether the events that transpired that day and the investigations following have created "Wicked Problems". If there is a solution, perhaps we have not been included in the opportunity of its existence. Maybe, I have opened up another "wicked problem"? Thank you for the new line of research. I still feel that 9/11 is not a wicked problem, just one with some hard to accept results.
Ignorance, self righteousness, prejudice, racism, and apathy are all aspects that seem common place in the minds of many OWS protesters.
Opinions are entitled to the many. You may have yours. It seems false of you to state that, when so many are committed to protesting in all weather. Facing brutality to do so. You are entitled.
I'm simply stating my point of view. This is what transpires when reading this forum. Perhaps this site doesn't represent OWS protesters, but it's my only window into the movement. I assume if the OWS protesters who run this site cared about the Internet image of OWS they would moderate it. They are not, so this is the opinion I am left with after reading the bulk of comments and postings I find here. If you or others deeply care about the Internet image of OWS, I suggest you figure out a way to moderate this forum. In its current form, its only hurting the protest. I would either remove it or moderate it.
This forum is not your enemy, the corrupt bankers, politicians and their lackeys are. Please try to keep that in mind when you complain about your lack of ability to contend with the clutter in here. If this is your only outlet to reach the movement, you need to get outside and talk to real people. They are the movement. Everywhere, globally also.
I think a mangy dog has far greater worth than a bum camping on city property. At least when the dog humps everything around it and shits and pisses everywhere we don't have to hear it complain how things aren't fair!
(yes I am becoming tasteless. You can thank GirlFriday for that.)
I think I am just going to resort to picture spamming from now on.
Sorry to hear that you have forgone what you know to be right, in favor of what you know to be wrong. It seems epidemic these days.
I know that this movement is not "right". Communism is not "right". Annihilating capitalism is not "right". Having no personal accountability or the ability to be an introvert on occasion is not "right". But if I am wrong here than you would be correct and in that case I prefer being wrong.
Please, embrace your wrong, for it is the right.
A pox on thy family, thou loathsome hasty-witted dissembling harlot.
Hey "real" Girl.
I love checking out your insults. They may not be productive, but they sure are fun. Go get em.
Of course, they aren't productive. Their entire purpose of being here is to fuck with people. They don't want to discuss anything.
I'm just giving them what they want.
No no that's what I meant.
I enjoy it when you tear them a new one.
One day, "MASTERdBATER2", YOU may end up homeless and just barely managing to survive... And self-righteous passersby may curse you while patting their spoilt dogs.
If I decided that it is other peoples responsibility that I survive, then you would probably be right. Seeing as how I am able to live life not expecting hand-outs, I think I will be just fine.
I can respect the homeless. They don't go around expecting assistance and welfare, they ask nicely and if they are not rewarded they accept their fate.
Who said "Love another as I have loved you"?
Must've been some dirty commie liberal hippie expecting free handouts, right???
Guys like that should be crucified!
NOTE: "MASTERdBATER2" is a self-confessed T R O L L
To understand WHAT MAKES A TROLL TICK - AND have a chuckle while you're at it - go to:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-trolls-think-trollosophy-exposed/
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You were tasteless before.
You sold out your own people.
You don't win a cookie.
I think this comment deserves a picture of a fairy. Where is thrassy when you need him...
Cool story, brahski. Why don't you go tell it to someone who really cares at all.