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Forum Post: When fighting for change don't supporting the same old things

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 20, 2011, 12:48 p.m. EST by fabianmockian (225)
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Why don't groups like Move On try to circumvent the actions of groups like A.L.E.C. and individuals like the Koch brothers instead of trying to reason with political leaders? These "Leaders" will never conceded to the demands of groups like MoveOn, because their choices are dictated by who gives them the most money. We have heard every single promise made by representatives of both parties and we have seen most promises broken, except for those that do not cause harm to wealthy donors bottom line, yet we continue to support those who obviously do not support us. This is the definition of psychosis and until we choose a different path, we, as a country will remain in a state of mental instability.



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[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 12 years ago

MoveOn is a partisan political organization and its agenda is to drum up support for the objectives of the Democratic party. They aren't trying to reason with political leaders. They only appear to do so by getting people to sign petitions or protest about issues where Obama wants to throw a bone to the working people to mollify them. Then, when the Dems do exactly what they intended to do anyway, MoveOn announces a 'victory'. In short, MoveOn totally supports the status quo while pretending to do otherwise.

MoveOn is right there when the Pres wants to lame jobs bill (rather than anything which would result in any true systemic reform), but is silent in the face of the law authorizing indefinite detention, without trial, of American citizens.

[-] 1 points by fabianmockian (225) 12 years ago

My point exactly. This is why I stopped attending their meetings and speaking for them at gatherings. My question was rhetorical and it was put on their facebook page in an attempt to point out to the members that they are being duped as are those who believe that the Republican party is doing anything other than enriching the rich.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

MoveOn is waiting with baited breath for the all-dressed-up-and-nowhere-to-go OWSrs. Tahdah, Dem answer to the Tea Party. The 99% Declaration treats all RepubliCrats the same.


[-] 1 points by LSN45 (535) 12 years ago

I agree - all of the candidates we have to choose from are bought and paid for! Here's my 2 cents (disregard if you have seen it already):

There are a lot of improvements that need to be made. The list reforms Americans want to see is long and varied depending on who you talk to. That said, I believe there is one reform that would provide the American people the best chances of seeing other meaningful reforms actually happen - that is REAL, loop-hope free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM! I have seen others on this site calling this the "fulcrum" or pivotal issue. Right now the current legalized bribery, pay-to-play system of campaign donations and paid lobbyists has disenfranchised the American voter. Until this is fixed, any other reform the politicians may try to placate us with (be it a change to healthcare, clamping down predatory school loans, new financial regulations, etc.) will be about as effective as a farmer putting a new roof on his CHICKEN COOP, but still letting the FOX guard it.

We need to go back to the original political currency. Instead of the current system of who can collect the most money from corporations and special interests it should be who has the BEST IDEAS to EFFECTIVELY RUN THE COUNTRY (we don't need "Wealth Redistribution," what we need is "Political Influence Redistribution")!

For the sake of our children and future generations of Americans, we need to take back our democracy from the rich and powerful who are using their vast sums of money to "speak" as if they represent millions of Americans. This "Corporate Personhood" that has crept into our laws is allowing them to manipulating our policies in their favor at the expense of the average American (the recent "Citizens United" Supreme Court ruling is a miscarriage of justice and must be reversed. The $50 or $100 a normal American may give to a political campaign becomes meaningless when corporations or other special interests are handing our millions to buy political access to the decision making process.

For decades now the corporations and special interests have had our "representatives" bought and paid for (both on the right and the left). Concentrating our efforts on getting the money out of our politics is the best way we can create an environment in which further reforms can be realized. Until we end the current system of legalized bribery (campaign donations) and paid lobbying our politicians will continue to be the LAP DOGS of the corporations and special interests. What we need first and foremost is real, loop-hole free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!! If the corruption is not dealt with first, the chance of any other meaningful reforms becoming a reality is almost zero - the special interests will just use their money to buy votes and put forward bills that create loop-holes or otherwise twist the law in their favor. If we want our children to live in a country where there vote matters, we need to get the money out of our politics, otherwise they will increasingly become the 21st century version of the "landless peasant." Spread the word - End the LEGALIZED BRIBERY!!! CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM needs to be THE main goal of the protests!!!

[-] 1 points by fabianmockian (225) 12 years ago

Here is a man with an answer to your post. I am reading his book now and will post a review and commentary as soon as I finish. Actually I reading another book called "The Great American Stickup: How Reagan Republicans and Clinton Democrats Enriched Wall Street While Mugging Main Street. When I done with this one I will read "Republic, Lost: How Money Corrupts Congress--and a Plan to Stop It" Lessig's book. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-december-13-2011/exclusive---lawrence-lessig-extended-interview-pt--2