Forum Post: What's the deal with all the contraception discussion?
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 21, 2012, 9:22 a.m. EST by FreeDiscussion5
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You all want America to be gay and promote gay marriages, why in the world would you need contraceptives? Your not doing a good job of promoting homosexuality if your issue is contraception.
Also, who did the MATH concerning 98% of Catholic women on birth control? Have you been to Mass? 98% of the women are 90 years old and would not NEED contraceptives. Interesting how liberals SPIN the issues. Stop with the contraception discussion,,, whiners.
The issue isn't contraception or even abortion. The issue is, should a devout Catholic be forced to pay for something his or her religion forbids? No one is advocating a ban on contraceptives. Worst case, women employed by devout Catholic employers would have to pay the $15 to $25 a month out of pocket. If a woman wanted an abortion the $300 to $900 would have to be paid by her. We are talking about people that are working in this case. Smoking or stopping off at Starbuck's twice a week are a more expensive habits.
I see it as yet another liberal agenda. Catholic employers will stil be paying for the contraceptives in the form of higher insurance premiums. Those higher premiums will be yet another black eye on insurance companies,,,,,,, making an obamacare/government insurance look like a bargain. This is a ploy to raise insurance rates to make them look bad and to force people to buy something against their will.
Interesting how YOU spin the issue. The 98% number is for women of child-bearing age. The study was done of people 15 to 45 years of age.
None of the news reports have said what the ages are. Below is an example that may prove YOU are not correct. YOU did the spinningl
((In Sunday's Washington Post, their "Fact Checker" Glenn Kessler caught up with some social conservative bloggers (like Mollie Hemingway at Get Religion) and assigned "two Pinocchios" to the media -- for regurgitating a bad statistic, namely that "98 percent of Catholic women use contraception." Set aside that the source, the Guttmacher Institute, has an intimate relationship with the liberal feminists at Planned Parenthood.
"If a statistic sounds too good to be true, be wary," wrote Kessler. "A spokesman for [House Minority Leader Nancy] Pelosi said she was saying that 98 percent of Catholic women have used birth control at some point in their lives — because that is how the media characterized it." And they did it over and over and over again, thumping on the idea that Catholic bishops were hopelessly out of touch with their flock. It turns out the media were out of touch with statistics.
Kessler continued that "judging from the examples above, the media has gotten it wrong. The journalistic shorthand has been that '98 percent of American Catholic women have used contraception in their lifetimes.' But that is incorrect, according to the research."
But while the study says that 98 percent of “sexually experienced Catholic women” have “ever used a contraceptive method other than natural planning,” the data shown in the report does not actually back up that claim
The study was about Catholic Women aged 15 to 45 who have at least one time in their lives been sexually active. It was THAT study everyone has been citing. Since no one is talking about women who are NOT sexually active or who never have been, the numbers regarding contraception use in relation to Catholic dogma are valid. Period. End of story.
Now, spin away.
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Have a nice Day Jr.
I wake up every day knowing that I have worked hard all my life. I own a 3-bedroom home with 2 car garage in a very nice, crime free area of a a small city I love. We have 2 cars, both under four years old. I have paid off all my debt. I pay cash and NO credit cards. My 401K, IRA, savings, annuity will far exceed my expenses. I wont need to take social security,,,,, BUT I WILL,,, to keep it out of YOUR HANDS and probably use it to donate to the GOP. So,,, my morning are great. I enjoy life. Maybe I will send you a post card while we travel in our RV. Yes,,, I do have two bicycles on the back of the RV. I will have a nice day. And thanks for calling a 60 year old that runs marathons, JR.
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The contraception discussion was created by the (R)epelican'ts, because they have NO idea how to discuss actual issues.
They can't get any traction without creating phony "wedge" issues.
Or hadn't you noticed?
George Stephanopoulos, ABC Democrat "hitman" asked the strangest question about contraception during the NH debate in January. The issue exploded that night for the first time. This was a plant question and none of you had even THOUGHT about this issue (thats why he brought it up) and now it is the topic,,, (democrat talking points) that all you libs ride.
S'funny you know. This is the first I've heard of it, and it's all (R)epelican'ts all the time.
Yep, nothing but a wedge issue, it's not like the (R)epelican'ts have anything else to go on. You've had "explosions" over it since January, you're really too sensitive.
This is the first time I've seen contraception brought up here, and you brought it up. Now you're going to rant about how this non-issue is an issue. Sorry, I'm not going to take the bait, and I hope others will just ignore it from here on as well. Some other guy from Slytherin posted some other red herring like this, so that he could try and gain the moral highground, while at the same time engaging in a lot of potty-talk. Man, you guys are tiresome.
money money money....aha The elite are into mindless sex. They use children too. http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Elites_Paedophillia_and_Child_Murder http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-children-that-were-never-officially-missed/
Unless it for unprotected sex with gay HIV people and that is the concern......? I bet it has NOTHING to do with women's rights.
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People get boners(men). And women get juicy. Are you stupid?
I think these types of discussions tend to further expose exploitation of socio-political dichotomies by politicians. It continues to cause me to wonder just how long we'll fall for this type of thing during the run-up to presidential election campaigns. Promotion of a certain sexual orientation?? Whiners?? Spin?? Free, I'm not understanding your perspective here. Further, what would you say about the notion of "attacking religous freedoms", as Mitt Romney put it?
I wish liberals would just make one list of all the things THEY want at the expense of everyone else. It would make life much easier. As an example of the contraceptive issue that is making the news TODAY. "Contraceptives" and "Insurance" was not being refered to up until a couple of months ago. Nobody was talking about. I watch a lot of news, read a lot of news and nowhere was this being mentioned until a few months ago. obama brings it up and SUDDENLY,, all you liberals line up like fat babies behind their fat mother. ( I know ) YOU MUST tell me that it was the topic of discussion every day,,,,,,, NO ,,,,, SORRY,,, only recently. It was just another example of forcing a belief onto everyone. So,, I would like to know TODAY,,, what will be the topic tomorrow. "As President, I will force insurance companies to pay for all your toilet paper and Cable TV." Ohhhh my God,,,,, every liberal will jump on with the talking point about why insurance companies must pay for this and if they dont it is because of the MEAN OLE Tea Party. The next day it will be,,,,,,, your insurance company must provide fart medicine. We will need that because everything liberals touch,, stinks.
It wasn't Obama who brought it up.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/a_brief_history_universal_health_care_efforts_in_the_us.php?page=all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
As far as "forcing a belief on everyone", as you put it, aren't you trying to force others (we at Occupy, at least) to believe there is a great folly inherent in doing this that will plunge us into some terrible abyss? MANY in this country have no ability to pay for healthcare. What is your answer for that? "Let 'em suffer. Let 'em die? As long as my rugged individualism remains intact who cares about those people?"
I often wonder what happened along the way that we lost our sense of trying to make the world better for all. I guess it all depends on what one's version of "better" entails.
I wish you well in your search for inner peace. Judging from your posts, I'd say that might be a ways off.
I will tell you what happened. YOUR type encourages people to be dependent,,, yes,, dependent on the government. Normal people have been told it is better to receive unemployment money that it is to work. OWS has no directive, no suggestions, no plan, no nothing to encourage people to at LEAST do what our parents, grandparent, great grandparents and on and on did,,, attempt to take care of yourself. You are creating your new generation and when things go bad for you and them,,,,, you turn to US and ask why we are successful and you are in the deep hole. Does any of that make sense to you or are you so deep in assistance that YOU must continue down the mother government road and wonder why we will not do that or have feelings for you. YOU seem to need US but WE dont seem to need YOU and you hate that feeling. Millions and millions have found the inner peace of look at accomplishments and can build on that. I have no interest in help people that HATE to help themselves first. There you go.
I'm fortunate enough to have been raised in a good, nuturing home environment. I have worked from the age of 11 years right through the present time. I have witnessed much in my 61 years. I was raised with the idea of "put yourself in their place. Try seeing things from their side as well as your own." Frankly, Free, I don't think you have a clue as to what my "type" is.
My "type" is this this: I was raised in a family steeped in the protestant religion. The church was on the next block and my family and extended family were very active in that church. I was taught the virtues of faith, hope and charity, To "love thy neighbor as thy self." To live by the Golden Rule. That's what "type" I am. I don't turn and run from a wrong and then blame the other guy because I realize fighting the wrong entails time, effort and, yes Free, even my money.
If you think that OWS is all about us trying to get something and making the other guy pay for it you're sadly mistaken.
Your an OLD MAN. What would YOU know. By the way,, I will be 61 in a couple of weeks. I was RAISED similar to you. Here is where we differ,, maybe. My hard working has taught me the value of what I have gained. I take very good care of my "things." Maybe what YOU think OWS is all about is not what I would bet most think it is. I donate, yes I donate, money to many organizations in my community. I serve on committees. I see my money going to many social programs that I believe in and see results. The key is the word "I". Today NJ Gov. Chris Christie had the best quote of the day as he talked about Warren Buffett, "Just Write A Check and SHUT UP!" Christie said what has been on my mind. I get tired of working hard, paying my taxes, donating my money and hearing others tell me how much more THEY think I should be paying. SHUT UP is what I want to say to OWS "types" that want to raise taxes and use my money for things I may not agree with. I think YOU are sadly mistaken if you dont think that this movement isnt about taking from and giving to others,,,,, usually themselves.
Well, fortunately or unfortunately we don't have an a la carte system in place where we each get to pick and choose what we like our taxes to pay for, or opt out of. Sometimes, I wish we did. I'd opt out of paying for war. You could opt out of paying for birth control. Then we'd both be a little happier, as we kick the can down the road, whistling that old classic "Hooray For Me And To Hell With Everyone Else." You and I, given our age and all, are becoming less and less relevent in the world anyway. BTW, do you have grandkids, Free?
PS - you should read the 99% declaration thread, if you haven't already.
Don't complain, is mostly liberals that want the right to kill their babies.
And that is the point. Why do they need contraceptives when they dont have a conscience? Have sex and simply kill the baby.