Forum Post: What would Obama have to do to be as bad as Bush?
Posted 12 years ago on April 14, 2012, 7 p.m. EST by craigdangit
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Just wondering. What would be the tipping point that would make him as bad of a president?
To continue the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. To keep Gitmo open. To not prosecute any wall street execs. Oops, I guess he is just as bad!
Throw in a few new wars and we have a perfect storm!
Within 24 hours of taking the Oath of Office, President Obama signed for the closing of Gitmo...Congress refused to fund it.
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"To CONTINUE the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. To KEEP Gitmo open."
The war in Afghanistan initiated in 2001 under Bush.
Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp established in 2002 under Bush.
The War in Iraq initiated in 2003 under Bush.
The War in Iraq no longer continues as of 2011 under Obama's reign.
Looks to me like Obama been trying to clean up boy Bush's mess. Though I'd be a fool to suggest he's doing a great job. But it might take decades to undo the problems caused by Bush's playground bully shenanigans. I never trusted monkey bush and I don't trust our new monkey either. Bush is by far the greater of the two evils, but give Obama another four years and scales may tip.
Our troops pulled out of Iraq nearly 3 years after Obama took office on Bush's timetable for withdrawal. It shouldn't take till 2014 to pull out of Afghanistan. Especially for a Nobel peace prize winner. Obama has not cleaned up a single mess. In foreign policy, Bush and Obama are clones.
Well during the cloning stage it looks like they made some upgrades. At least I can understand what Obama is saying when he speaks. Even if it is mostly lies.
He is an excellent communicator with a thick coat of charisma that is wearing thin if you look closely. A fresh coat will be applied before election.
Good at communicating false promises.
Any preferences for another candidate? Ron Paul, Rocky Anderson, Buddy Roemer? It's a shame watching the same two horse race every 4 years, especially when the same corporate trainer owns both horses.
I think it would have to be somebody like Dennis Kucinich.
Kucinich definitely has taken action that aligns with Occupy. Single payer health ,"bringing articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, and being the only Democratic candidate in the 2008 election to have voted against invading Iraq." See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich
Exactly - That's why he lost his seat. Kucinich tends to represent the people. That doesn't fit in well with our present congress
Yes, there are a lot of things to like about him. Too bad Wall Street would never finance him.
Hopefully he refused their financing.
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be another way for candidates to win these days. If there was, I'd be all for it.
Theres a reason for that :)
I support them all, besides Obama and Romney.
I nominate the American people as a candidate through a Direct Democracy.
http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_commonsense.aspx
What a farse the 'excellent communicator' meme is. Take away his teleprompter and he is a babbling idiot.
excellent communicator? ever listen to him when is not reading from his multiple telepromters.?
Bravo for a brave post!
there are still 30,000 mercs in iraq doing what idk but we pay them more than our guys
lol..... like a beaten spouse, back home on payday.
Obama has been trying so hard to clean up Bush's mess, he ended up having to do worse things than Bush like sign the NDAA and expand the domestic wiretapping program and start bombing Libya.
I'd hate to see what it would look like if he tried to expand the Bush agenda.
Well, I for one think the only difference between buying a republican and democrat politician off is the price. Republicans get volume pricing from the .001% and are cheaper to pay off than democrats. Democrats because they actually say they are for the people and have their voters believe them can command a higher buy off price. Both are shit. I hate everything republicans have been standing for with the exception of their position on guns. But the democrats have been the biggest betrayers of their voters. With their actions, I can't tell one from the other regardless of what they claimed.
You already stated the difference - Republicans are for standing their position on guns whereas the Democrats are not.
But lets not forget the Obination has the black panthers on his side.
And the Panthers are every bit as vehement as the KKK... and you want me to forfeit my guns? Do that and only the cops, as in "all the King's men," will have guns...
It's people that can't tell the difference that put Bush in the White House, so I guess we will just keep going to war and burning up the planet because people can't tell the difference.
Maybe some day they will be able to.
Maybe someday a group of farseeing smart truth tellers will come along and help them see the difference.
Maybe someday people will stop thinking it's all about them and if they have been betrayed and start thinking it's about the country, maybe someday.
Didn't Obama get us into a war with Libya? Now, I know it wasn't called a war, but wasn't it really a war?
Real Cause for Gaddafi's Expulsion: Wanted Gold Currency?
Some believe it [the NATO/US-led Libyan invasion] is about protecting civilians, others say it is about oil, but some are convinced intervention in Libya is all about Gaddafi's plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency made from gold, a true sharing of the wealth.
Gaddafi did not give up. In the months leading up to the military intervention, he called on African and Muslim nations to join together to create this new currency that would rival the dollar and euro. They would sell oil and other resources around the world only for gold dinars.
It is an idea that would shift the economic balance of the world.
"If Gaddafi had an intent to try to re-price his oil or whatever else the country was selling on the global market and accept something else as a currency or maybe launch a gold dinar currency, any move such as that would certainly not be welcomed by the power elite today, who are responsible for controlling the world's central banks," says Anthony Wile, founder and Chief Editor of the Daily Bell.
"So yes, that would certainly be something that would cause his immediate dismissal and the need for other reasons to be brought forward from moving him from power."
And it has happened before.
In 2000, Saddam Hussein announced Iraqi oil would be traded in euros, not dollars. Some say sanctions and an invasion followed because the Americans were desperate to prevent OPEC from transferring oil trading in all its member countries to the euro.
A gold dinar would have had serious consequences for the world financial system, but may also have empowered the people of Africa, something black activists say the US wants to avoid at all costs.
Some say the US and its NATO allies literally could not afford to let that happen.
http://www.thedailybell.com/2226/Real-Cause-for-Gaddafis-Expulsion-Wanted-Gold-Currency.html
We can do the same thing the Africans were doing. Take your savings out of dollars, and put it into physical silver:
http://thegreatesttruthnevertold.com/silver-bullet-silver-shield/
Wait a minute... are you saying the Africans still have gold??? I thought we got it all.
Yes Obama did support the Arab Spring:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
and people did die, it is hard for me to say, I think those people had a point Mubarak and Kaddafi may needed to be removed, I don’t like to see people killing each other though
Libya had the best economy in Africa, so why did Khadafi need to be removed? I don't think it was for the benefit of the people of Libya. From what I hear, there is even more torture going on there now.
One reason, is that the US is trying to kick China out of Africa. China had been helping African countries to develop their infrastructure in exchange for raw materials. Wall Street doesn't like to see third world nations working with each other, growing and becoming more independent.
Yeah, Libya was bringing back the gold standard which was a good idea for Libya.
Yes, that's probably why Obama supported the war against them.
It depends on your views. I never voted for Bush, and hence expected a disaster. And got it.
But I did vote for Obama. And that is why, for me, it is much worse.
it's all about you is it?
I see
He's letting his passion cloud his judgement. So don't bother, he'll grow up sooner or later (I hope).
from the "voting" it seems a lot of people take this personal
the ego is strong
it takes awhile to work through that
Perhaps having his goons bust down the doors of medical dispensaries so sick patients have to scrounge around street corners for their medicines... oh that's already happening too.
Wait, he is actually like two terms of Bush in one. Like a well packaged political bargain.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is really just delaying the inevitable... although I remain mildly curious if he would actually do something useful in a second term... or whether he'd start kissing ass to whatever lobbying firm currently has him on their secret payroll.
If he wrote chicken scratches in the margin's of laws, he would be marginal. Oh wait, he did that! (NDAA)
Obama Demanded Language To Arrest You under NDAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmDe3FrOXfc
Cut taxes for the rich... wait Obama signed for that....
ummm..... bomb countries that didn't attack us... wait he's done a lot of that too.
ummmmm.... continue Guantanamo Bay.... wait he's still using that...
Obama had my support for the first 2 years. After that he proved to be just another corporate sheep warmonger president.
People can talk all they want about his health care reform bill... and there are good aspects... but over all... we all know for a fact that isn't the type of reform we elected him for. We voted for universal healthcare, not a lobbyist approved bill that benefits insurance companies.
I want to see real solutions. Throwing money and bombs at problems doesn't solve anything.
Dennis Kucinich should have been the nominee in 2008. But all that corporate cash helped put Obama and Clinton on the top ticket.
If Obama was honest, he'd support HR 2990, the NEED act. The only bill that takes the power back from the "too big to fail" banks and from the fed... that bill provides a real solution to universal health care for all and education for all. All while including a budget to build roads and schools which would provide jobs.
read the bill and send it to your congressman. Tell them to read it and learn how to do their job - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr2990/text
Probably have to kill American citizens.
Oh, wait.....
Yeah, or detain and torture them indefinitely lol
Get re-elected
Lol, how true.
OUCH
Really i dont think theres anyway to be as bad as bush but both parties are pitiful.
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Did that!
NDAA
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012#Controversy_over_indefinite_detention
And it just keeps coming! Now there's "CISPA."
http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/the-next-cyber-security-bill-even-worse-sopa-190650
I refuse to believe it! Can't be true... The "Repelicans" must have twisted his arm somehow! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rMh4Vzztcw
Of course one party of the 1% is always going to be better than the other party of the 1%. That's how the 1% keeps us wedded to THEIR parties. But the lesser of two evils is still evil.
When he took his oath of office?
OR the first actions he took as prez to fix our economy?
I feel Obama is worse than Bush. With Bush we knew what we were getting. Obama lied through out his campaign. He needs to go.
Obama's first term has essentially been Dubya's third: Bush/Cheney and the PNAC gave us 9/11, AUMF 2001, the USA Patriot Act and the market meltdown of 2008. Obama followed suit keeping Gates at the Pentagon, Goldman alum at the Treasury, selling us a "healthcare reform act" that is actually a Big Insurance Bonanza, and signing NDAA 2012, HR347, HR658 and HR3606 a.k.a. the Wall Street Crowdfunding Fraud Act of 2012. And of course, our global perpetual war for oil and profit hasn't skipped a beat since they brought the three towers down.
There was no "change" in 2008. And regardless of who wins this year's elections, there will be no "change" in 2012 ... unless WE make it. And I don't mean by voting on false choices in rigged elections with predetermined outcomes assured if necessary by SCOTUS overrides.
Thank you. What exactly will it take for partisan zombies to break out of their shells and realize this? What kind of emotional slavery to one master produces this pitiful mindset?
Maybe spreading this will help:
Occupy Bohemian Grove: State of the Counterculture Union Address 2012 by Dr. Ryan Bartek
http://inewp.com/?p=12815
Sounds good.
For the GOP, it would be nothing at all because he IS black, after all, and you just can't be a worse president than that.
For the liberals, it would be trying to compromise with the Tea Party on the debt ceiling and Bush tax cuts, continuing a war and the Patriot Act, failing to get the banks Fannie and Fredie to take a haircut on loan principle, guns in National Parks.....OH, he has already done that.
And for moderate Republicans, they are now called Independents, hey he is doing just great. Are you sure he isn't Bush?
What was that question again?
Are there any twinkies left?
I'll check the deeep frier.
Actually, the GOP hates him because of the "D" after his name. They could care less what race he is, but it doesn't help any that he is black. I assure you they would hate any other Democrat as much.
Guns in national parks? I thought all the partisan hacks had conveniently forgotten about that one when the forecasted blood-bath didn't happen, and the crime rate went down. I don't know, maybe you wanted the crime rate to go up or something.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/08/foghorn/new-numbers-indicate-national-parks-no-less-safe-with-legal-concealed-carry/
If you think that there aren't large numbers for whom the fact that he is black is the LARGEST negative factor, you are very naive.
I am just one of those freaks who doesn't feel more comfortable when idiots who have demonstrated their prejudice and lack of rationality, no, actual disbelief in rationality, facts and science, to be walking around carrying concealed weapons. In fact, members of my family, probably should not be walking around with guns. There are groups I would feel comfortable with, but the American general public isn't one of them. You can shout at me louder than you can shout and it won't make me feel comfortable and you can't pass a law that requires me to feel comfortable and I assure you, it won't make me feel more comfortable. Packing concealed pillows, now that might make me feel comfortable, even though I will admit, people have been suffocated with pillows.
It was so much better before the law was passed, when you could guarantee that anyone carrying a concealed weapon in a park was breaking the law already.
I find it tremendously ironic that you just stereotyped entire "groups" that are supposed to be more dangerous than other groups, and now you're saying people should use facts, rationality, and science more.
The chance of having a crime committed against you in a national park is lower now, so you can feel slightly more safe. That, my friend, is science.
Please reread your post. You are engaging in the exact things you accuse others of.
I am just telling you how I honestly feel. I grew up with guns. Fed the family with guns. I have been shot at with guns. I have been in the middle of shootouts between gangs and cops. And I don't need it anymore.
I am an inventor. Would rather find a way to assure the public that almost no one has a gun on them. It was safer in a National Park before there were people. It has gotten less safe since there were people with guns. Just guns and me would be OK. But those people? We know what they do.
Oh, yeah, they. What stereotype are you ascribing to be the latest boogeyman now?
And are you still ignoring the fact that crime continued to go down as more people were allowed to carry guns into the national parks?
They is people. It's a personal pronoun referring to "people with guns" It is a play on an NRA slogan, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." "We know what they do." refers to the last part of the slogan. Where have you been?
BTW, "Stereotypes don't kill people, ....." I think I made my position pretty clear. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it. It is my life and since I am sure that you are a fan of personal responsibility you will applaud my acceptance of the consequences of such a non threatening position.
I am also sure, therefore, that you have health insurance, since not having it would put an unacceptable burden on other citizens (since they are mandated to pay for your ER visits) if you were to accidentally shoot yourself?
I'm glad you mentioned that. It's like you are writing the talking points yourself.
When did I ask people to pay for my ER visits? People aren't obligated to pay for products they did not agree to buy. I have never been to an ER and I would like instead to die if I require serious treatment.
You are essentially saying, Since George made Kenneth give me his Mustang, when I asked for a Honda, I am obligated to pay George's friend Bill a premium every month, who will ensure that Kenneth gets payed for the Mustang I ordered. Sounds good.
I don't have time to answer you right now. But I have read your post.
Only because if you criticize him you are automatically called a racist. I could give a shit that he is black- its because he is red and green that I don't agree with him. When I do consider the fact that he is black, I think it is sad that our first black president has been such a failure. I hope that in the future that another black man will be voted for president- someone honorable like Allen West, or with a similar views and love of the country and respect for the constitution like Herman Cain- men who would truly bring the country together. I hope that when any other black man runs in the future that people will not hold Obama's horrible term against them, just because they are black. Some people will, but I think most people know that its not because Obama is black that he has such a horrible record, it's that he wasn't vetted. I happen to think that nothing good comes of blame and divisiveness. The ends do not justify the means. And, I don't think he is "so cool".(although I did like it when he sang that little Al Green ditty- its about the only thing I've liked about this president) Otherwise, he's an arrogant, cry baby who doesn't know how to conduct foreign policy, economic policy, write a budget, or create a realistic energy policy. BTW, I do appreciate your humor even though we have totally opposite political views.
I am convinced that you are not a racist. I'll show you a failure George W.
If we had elected McCain, we could have seen a bigger one and if he had died in office,......?. I like you but, Allen West is certifiably mentally ill. Given time, he will prove it to you.
Now, if I could only think of a joke?
maybe killing 5 or 6 thousand americans in a occupation for oil, for instance.. starting a war with iran
What about bombing Libyans for no reason?
yes that too
What Obama did with NATO in Libya was a short version of what Bush did to Iraq.
Warmonger presidential candidates everywhere! If your country ends with "stan" ... hide yo kids, hide yo wife, cause these presidents bombing everyone up in here.
Yup, and the people all endorse them.
This country loves war!! Especially a few select sheep on this site.
Excuse me while I vomit.......
Obama is about as good at Republican politics, as the cast of MTV's Jackass was, at skating and BMX, compared to tony Hawk. Obama is almost as good at hoops, as a college player. He is good at bailing the Clinton-deregulated bankers, and awesome at ignoring the need for biomass research, which includes both hemp and switchgrass, but he didn't get that because he and the other former majority Democrats passed 2700 vain pages of Obamacare, never-minding the other, more pressing needs, which wouldn't have lost the Democrat majority in the House. Nobody beats GW, at lousy, since he went after 1958 CIA client Saddam, just because his Daddy set up Saddam and then Dick Cheney said it was necessary to go get Saddam, so Halliburton could profiteer. Nobody beats the Bushwack.
True.... but we were allies with Khaddafi before O-Bomb-ya decided to annihilate the country instead of choosing peace.
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The trolls never tire of this same broken record theme. Oh well, I guess they're mentally challenged.
Yep. Typical talking point, anyone who disagrees or raises a talking point I can't refute is mentally challenged.
No, it was a serious question. I invite you to explore the wonderful world of debate if you want to see how to do it, lol. There are some great you-tube videos on the subject I hear.
You can join in if you like, and discuss issues with me, I promise I won't bite. Or you can resort to name calling, demagoguery, and of course the old stand-by, hate.
Your choice :)
Talking point? Exactly. That's all you have, you just get your little marching orders and get right in line like a buch cows to spew the same message in unison. You are pathetic excuses for human beings, devoid of courage or free will. Just empty machines spewing the same effluent, hollow men, hopeless.
And you are doing it to distract us while you try to split the womans vote with your willing tool, the equally hollow men in the mainstream media. You're all perverted.
Oooh, you're getting angry. I must be doing something right :)
It won't be long now.
I asked a legitimate question, but sure, I'll role-play as a troll if you wish. My thread gets bumped either way. Ow! Stop! You're hurting me with your nasty words! It reminds me of ninth grade! I'm telling my employer! This wasn't as easy as they said it would be!
Now that you mention it, in between moonbat conspiracy theories, you mentioned something about "Us" "spewing the same message in unison". I am wondering, who is "us"? And what message do we keep spewing in unison? Whatever it is, it must be working, or you wouldn't be angry.
You've gone the way of the mosquito, and I'm sure that's how everyone treats you! Way to raise the stature of mankind!
What? Are you on something?
Only when people's ideological conclusions get shaken do they start name-calling wars.
Continue to be exactly as he is today.
Please tell me you're not serious... Obama is as much to blame as Bush, and clearly one could argue Obama has been even worse. All of the bailouts, including the 1st one Bush and Obama supported before Obama took office and every bailout Obama initiated while in office lined the pockets of Wall Street and Bankers. None of which served the purpose they were "said" to have been created for. All those that think "say" Obama is on our team, either works for Obama or just has no freaking clue.
Don't reply with moronic comments, stick to the facts to support your rebuttals. Good luck finding any!
No, I agree. I realize Obama is just as bad as Bush, I just wanted to know what would make a hard-core Obama supporter realize it. I see too many of them on this board.
Cheers
I'd like to see what would happen if China or Afghanistan or any country had the most power.
Not sure what this has to do with the thread...
If any country other than one that was controlled by the people had the most power, the power hungry people running it would use the power to their advantage.
So, to compare these two, we should start with what exactly it was that Bush did badly to us. Let's list these here so we can get this thing rolling here.
WHAT BUSH DID WHICH WAS BAD
Here's a good start on the particulars:
Article I Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq.
Article II Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression.
Article III Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War.
Article IV Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States.
Article V Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression.
Article VI Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114.
Article VII Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.
Article VIII Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter.
Article IX Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor
Article X Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes
Article XI Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq
Article XII Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources
Article XIIII Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries
Article XIV Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency
Article XV Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq
Article XVI Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors
Article XVII Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives
Article XVIII Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy
Article XIX Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to "Black Sites" Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture
Article XX Imprisoning Children
Article XXI Misleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government
Article XXII Creating Secret Laws
Article XXIII Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act
Article XXIV Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment
Article XXV Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens
Article XXVI Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements
Article XXVII Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply
Article XXVIII Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice
Article XXIX Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965
Article XXX Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare
Article XXXI Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil Emergency
Article XXXII Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global Climate Change
Article XXXIII Repeatedly Ignored and Failed to Respond to High Level Intelligence Warnings of Planned Terrorist Attacks in the US, Prior to 911.
Article XXXIV Obstruction of the Investigation into the Attacks of September 11, 2001
Article XXXV Endangering the Health of 911 First Responders
The Puzzler
Are we clear?
Awesome list of facts. Bush was a terrible president. Hands down one of the worst and most corrupt. He lead a full scale attack on Iraq, a country that didn't attack us, was not threat, and had nothing to do with 9/11.
Remember when Bush was bombing countries that didn't attack us? I'm glad Obama doesn't do that. Oh, wait....
Well, we haven't been attacked since 1941 by any country. And, generally, all the wars since have been largely failures. Korea, Vietnam, Beirut, Gulf War, Afghanistan, & Iraq. Iran next up? Good point.
The Puzzler
So you want to put in Romney? Just like Nader put in Bush. Think about it, do you really want to take that chance?
The SCOTUS put bush in office - Not Nader !!
I like you sparky, but here's a poem about that, i worte it myself :)
Nader the traitor has crawled under a rock,
It’s the only place safe from the things that he wrot.
As millennia approached us, we had one last shot,
To keep the plant we’re on from getting, too damn hot.
But Nader thought better his name should be heard.
And Gore was left standing with only his word.
(you might say I'm a little pissed about it)
If Nader had not put his name on the ballot in FL, they could not of done it, Nader must take responsibility for what he did, not what others did, just him, and he said he was not going to do that, he said he would stay off the ballot anywhere it could tip the scale, but he lied like all the others who seek power for themselves, he lied when it mattered most, and killed the planet in the process.
No. Your assumption is ignorant. I didn't say one thing about Romney. If you look on your ballot in November, there will be more options than Romney and Obama.
Have fun voting for Goldman Sachs and War in 2012.
Also what are your thoughts on bombing countries that didn't attack us? Do you think laws don't matter? Should every country be allowed to drop bombs in any country they want? Is it only bad when republicans do it?
Also Ralph Nader doesn't have this power you speak of. We've talked about this.
Yes there are others that will not become prseident, just as Nader did not become president, and none of the ones this year will even get that close, Nader got not one of 270 votes needed. So you can keep trying to make us weak, leave us making no change, and just helping to put more Republicans in office, or we can do something different this time. The more people who think it's about them and their purity the better the GOP will do and the father OWS will be from it's goals.
Lulz whatever you have to tell yourself to not feel bad about supporting wars and Goldman Sachs.
Sorry innocent civilians that died from these bombs. I don't give a shit about principles. - that's what you sound like.
Look whatever you have to tell yourself, while you let people like Bush hold power and send us into wars and burn up the planet,
When the GOP are sending black helicopters into your bedroom, just tell yourself "I didn't vote for the warmonger" that should keep you safe from the long arm of the GOP.
Go ahead, play in the sandbox and let the Republicans run the country.
Lulz
Yeah blame a guy who was 13 when Bush took office.
You're just off your rocker now.
Go to an Obama blog if you want to peddle your Obama 2012 support. You're blaming the wars on the people who strive for peace instead of the people voting for the war mongers... do you understand how dumb you look when you do that?
This is OWS and we know both parties work for the 1% and war. Hence the bailouts for the frauds and the continued war legacy under Obama. Hell, Obama just celebrated signing the Republican Jobs Act. A bill which opens investors to predatory fraud and repealed regulations put in place after ENRON. How many countries has Obama bombed since he took office? The number is higher than Bush.
SOUNDS THE SAME! WHAT CHOICE IS THAT?
"Yeah, Trevor! vote for the black Republican, not the white republican!"
What about chemtrails and the fake moon landing? Was Bush involved?
Fake moon landing? Be careful here, lest you be labeled a "conspiracy nut."
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/
(Check out his series of articles entitled "Wagging the Moondoggie.")
"creating secret laws"?
Please ditch the conspiracy theories and we'll talk then.
Obama is already worse than Bush for being such a weak president.
He surrendered to AIPAC from day -100 (minus hundred) to get elected. Then Goldman Sachs and the other AIPAC supporters (most if not all financial institutions) helped him reach the presidency.
Now, he is just a foreground figure. 1%ers: the FED, Bankers, Hollywood, and AIPAC are in full control of everything.
appoint scalia thomas alito roberts
kagan and sotomayor,.............. two losers.
why?
Kagan and Sotomayor are two of our greatest justices ....
can you support that opinon with any facts? sotomayor referred to herself as " wise latina" . what would have been the press outrage if a caucasion nominee for judge referred to him/herself as a wise white person?
Well, put it this way, it may be hard for the average white person to understand why a racial or ethnic minority would take such a view, but speaking for myself (as a white person), I at least try to imagine what it would be like if the shoe was on the other foot. What if, instead of being a member of the majority race (in a society that tends to focus on race so much, at least historically speaking), I was a member of the oppressed race? If overt racism suddenly becomes unpopular, but institutional racism is still built into the system, should my own views of myself and how I fit into it all, magically change overnight? I would say this is an absurd expectation.
Yeah! Racism is okay if you are a minority.
ever hear the phrase "justice is blind" the job of if a judge is to uphold the constitution. thats judicial revue. legislating from the bench is called judicial activism. a judge is NOT supposed to inject their personal beliefs or experiences into a decision . a superme court judge takes 2 oaths, one is to support and defend the constituiton against all enemies foregn and domestic, the other oath is to administer justice with respect to persons and do equal right to the poor and the rich and that i will faithfully and impartially discharge all the duties incumbent upon me under the constitution and laws of the united states.
Okay, let me put it another way, only a paranoid inbred fucktard would take what was almost certainly an informal loose statement made by Sotomayor, and read so much into it.
You still haven't answered why Kagan and Sotomayor are so great.
You didn't ask me any questions .... but if you're curious, Google it. If you choose not to, I promise not to give a fuck. If your paranoid delusions cloud objective facts, I'm sorry, I'm not a shrink so I can't help you (but I suggest you go find one).
Yeah! Good response! "La La La!!! I can't HEAR you!"
You have been well beaten down by the PC mafia. You don't even see the hypocrisy. It is perfectly okay to be proud of your race or heritage if you are anything but white; but if a white person is proud of the accomplishments that whites have contributed to the world, then you must be some sort of racist. Black pride, Latino pride, Asian pride etc. are all fine, but white pride is somehow evil. Madness.
Dude, there will never be a day where you inbred intellectual midgets beat anything, except for your little dicks :)
I mean, you guys are the opposite of white pride. The dumbest and the most mentally unstable douche bags in our population is hardly something white people should take "pride" in.
Now run along, don't you have a klan rally to go to, oh wait, maybe you can go and patrol the border, and join your brethren, the low IQ tribe.
Wow.
I just read this thread, I have to say it was one of the most amusing on this whole site. Didn't you say something about objectivism a few posts ago? Now you're stereotyping white people in a racist rant. lol racist
That's a good one ... considering I'm white :)
You can be any race. Racism is merely reinforcing stereotypes about one race, good or bad, so it really doesn't matter which you are. You should look it up some time lol
And yet here you are getting your panties in a bunch because some judge made a remark about hoping some wise Latina woman will do (whatever).
Self hatred... tsk tsk. You likely would have started name calling again if I hadn't pointed it out to you. Partisan sheep fall into the same habits.
Wrong again. Someone else brought that up.
And the remark, if you've ever bothered to hear it (Perhaps you assumed it was in good faith without hearing it, IDK) was concerning Wise Latinas making better decisions than white males. Sounds like racism if you have even a shred of objectivity, but hey, I guess that's asking too much of you lol
Now that your ideological beliefs have been shaken, you can go ahead and start name calling again. So predictable.
Oh yeah, my ideological beliefs have been shaken alright. Let me guess, you wear super hero costumes at home? :)
That "informal loose statement" was said at a Berkeyly conference on hispanic judges. what she said was ............"I would hope that a wise latina woman, with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life" does that sound IMPARTIAL to you? the job of a supreme court justice is to apply the the constitution without personal beliefs , prejudices or experiences. sotomayor, by her own words, is a self indentified racist.
Oooooo, oh no, the Hispanics are coming, stock up on the duck tape, canned food, and bottled water ... duh!
You did not address what sotomayor said in relationship to what a supreme court justice takes an oath to uphold. sotomayor , in her own words is a self proclaimed racist. and you? you're a jerk.
lol.... ask him what he thinks of Clarence Thomas. He is smarter than to respond lol
...maybe not though.
Thank you, Bensdad.
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Make an individual upset in some way.
Drive to Canada with the pet dog tied to the roof of the car, be CEO of Bain Capital [http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/01/09/400404/romney-bain-bankrupts-billions/] and hide multiple band accounts offshore to evade US taxation.
Or: Publicly claim to be "The Decider" & "The Commander Guy," let Cheney appoint himself as "Vice" POTUS, and let the Military Industrial Complex start and conduct two bogus and boondoggle wars.
Or: Simply promote and defend Citizens United.
Okay, I will officially allow you to reread the OP, because the word "Romney" appears no where in the OP. In your partisan anger, you confused the words "Romney" and "Bush". I asked what Obama would have to do to be as bad as Bush. So I am going to have to throw out the first two.
So, Obama can prolong the two wars, and start bombing another country, but Thank goodness he never used the phrase "The Decider" or "The Commander Guy" referring to himself! Those acts are completely comparable!
And thank goodness he said Citizen's United was baaad! Those few, important words completely excuse expanding the Bush wiretapping program, leaving Guantanamo open, bombing Libya and keeping taxes on the rich low!
Are you retarded?
If YOU Don't Vote, YOU Don't Count!
No More Keys to THESE GOPs!!
You're welcome to edit if you like; if your mom sees it, it may hurt her feelings.
Yep, I just keep spouting parroted slogans like a total imbecile. Also, FYI the word "R**" is considered to be a slur against the mentally handicapped.
The only difference is the lack of Texan-as-Cracker image; Obama has proved to be every bit as morally corrupt. And people will eventually tire of that never changing black suit image as well.
I find that extremely offensive, please refrain from using racial slurs.
According to Black America, a vote for Romney or Newt is the racial equivalent of voting for Mr. Cracker; well, guess what bro...
No, black America is not racist like you are.
That's absolutely not true - they are more racist than we have ever been.
Keep doing what he's doing. He's on track to be twice as bad. Just keep it up! Pretty soon we'll be at 20 Trillion in debt. YAY!
I like again how someone downvoted your post but could not respond with any counter argument.
Have a Lobotomy.
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Its neither one's fault. People want entitlements and gifts from government but they also dont want to pay for it.
Its impossible to get elected by telling the truth. We dont want to hear it.
obama is already a BAD president.adding more to the deficit in 3 1/2 years that all the preceding presidents.
I like how two people downvoted this comment, yet no one was able to respond coherently.
the can down vote but they cant refute.
Happened again. lol