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Forum Post: What will happen to America if a Republican wins in 2012 & does what they say they are going to do?

Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 19, 2012, 8:59 a.m. EST by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR
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What will happen to America if a Republican wins in 2012 & does what they say they are going to do?

If we just cut taxes -- especially to the Wealthy People and Families -- and let too-big-to-fail fail, repeal Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare), perhaps invade Iran and balance budget on the backs of Middle Class and poor Americans, eat babies, cut Social Security & Medicare (United States), etc... What will happen to America?

Mark Hughes, Screenwriter, Forbes Blogger 29 votes by Fred Landis, Joshua Engel, Anon User, (more) I'd say we can pretty accurately guess what will happen by simply looking at what has happened in basically everything since January 1981. The GOP is basically making the same policy suggestions and running on the same platform they've used in every single election for the last 30+ years, but moved ever more toward the right and incorporating increasing amounts of rhetoric that used to be considered the "fringe" of the party.

Remember the militia movement of the 1990's, and some of their crazier notions about religion, home schooling, paranoia about socialism and health care as secret mass-murder plans, federal reserve conspiracies and talking threats of armed insurrection and constant references to 1700's and 1800's "patriot" themes and lifestyles etc? Back in the 1990's, everyone -- including most of the GOP -- considered those folks lunatics. Today, they run for elected office and WIN sometimes. The fringe element took up a supposedly more mainstream appearance and talking points, got a few party leaders to tout the fringe line, and merged with a lot of more typical rightwing religious social conservatives, and formed the "Tea Party" movement. But make no mistake, it's comprised of a mix of typical social conservatives and a heavy influx of fringe militia-type fanatics, plus a segment of obsessive pseudo-libertarian elements trying to elect Ron Paul (ignoring his many troubling links to white supremacist and "confederate" groups, and his on-the-record statements about black males -- he denies writing those newsletter columns now, but in Texas he gave interviews defending them at the time and explaining the "studies" he read suggesting inferiority of blacks etc, FYI).

The rejection of moderate Republicans and conservatives, and of more moderate libertarians (small-"l" libertarians), is weakening the GOP and driving a lot of people away from the party. Sure, it rallies their base and most fanatical elements, but building a party on a foundation of religious fanaticism and anti-science/anti-intellectualism is a recipe for disaster -- for the party, and for any nation that comes under the influence of an increasingly fanatical power structure that rewards what used to be fringe, extremist elements.

What will 2012+ look like if the GOP wins? Like it did under Bush in the 2000's, but more rightwing and more religiously repressive, while moving even faster to enact worse tax policies and more extreme deregulation, and more handouts to corporations while promoting a "we're poor victims" mentality among the rich and white males in this nation. So imagine what to you seems like the most conservative, rightwing days of the W. Bush administration, and then imagine that as the least-conservative, least-rightwing days. And that's what it would mostly be like under the GOP candidates, Romney-Ryan.

So what we need to do in order to understand what will happen if the GOP wins in 2012 is to look behind us, note where things were in the march to the right, and then simply calculate how those same policies will once again be applied in an ever-worse manner for most of the families in this country. Lower taxes for corporations and the wealthy, more burden on everyone else, more privatization of dwindling services, more bailouts of corporations with the tax dollars from the rest of us, increased erosion of our constitutional liberties by more rightwing courts, continued gutting and destabilizing of education, loss of pensions and security for retirees and working citizens, failure of credit & banking industries and more bailouts again, deregulation at precisely the times when we really need more regulation, and so on. It's the same song and dance they sold us in the 1980's, the 1990's, and the 2000's.

Mitt-Twit may have blown it, but there is still much gerrymandering/suppression and many congress and senate seats. What's your prognosis?



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[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

The oligarchs don't care who gets the ticket at this point in time.

They are backing both sides because they like the spectacle of a good show, and they know that's what will keep the plebs interested. Along with gay marriage, abortion, women's rights, and ghetto drug use.

Same shit, different election.

The people now have the power to stage their own elections in real time via the internet. What is stopping us from staging our own direct democracy elections, just like they did in Iceland, and then incarcerate the corrupt banksters, and take control over your own finances.

Is that too hard, America?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 11 years ago

"The oligarchs don't care..."?

So Citizens United and the untold $Billions are ruses? Genius!

Your point about Iceland is BRILLIANT! Iceland is the oldest working democracy (since the 9th century) and the most important thing they have is VOTER TURNOUT!! 80 - 90% Voter Turnout!! They may have the highest Voter turnout in the world! They are incarcerating Banksters!! America has the LOWEST VOTER TURNOUT! But we have the highest Big$ Turnout!!! We are incarcerating Protestors!!

The problem is right in front of our faces. Get registered and get out the Vote! We have 47 days to vote like Iceland!!


[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

Citizens' United is about enabling bribes. Take a look at the figures, and you'll find that the major contributors are paying for both campaigns. It's all about owning the players, whether they win or lose.

As for voter turnout, here in Australia, we have compulsory voting. Turn up, or cop a fine. So they have this tricky little ruse called a coalition, where the two R parties team up (squabble-city, of course) so they have a chance of winning against the D party, who suck up to the Greens to get a fairer deal.

Politicians, by definition, are amongst the most dishonest people on the planet, and we entrust them with major decisions?

Iceland's example is worth running with, in my book.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 11 years ago

Iceland doesn't have a CU political bribery ruling/law that allows "major contributors" to hedge their bets for political favor no matter who wins (or do any dirty thing they want). But if they had our Voter turnout, they probably would!! Yes, politics, especially democracy, is a messy business. Some are just realizing this.

Let's run with ICELAND!!! We have 47 days to start.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 11 years ago

You do realize the dems are as guilty as the reps when it comes to the path we habe taken in the last 30 years.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Same things as if the Dems win. More fascist policy. More printing. More wars.


[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 11 years ago

Seriously? "I know you are, but what am I?"

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 11 years ago

you stole what i was going to say

[-] 0 points by evileye (11) 11 years ago

If Romney wins, you'll see almost an immediate turn around in this country. Businesses large and small with start having faith in our economy again. As it stands right now, Obama is sending us down the road to hyperinflation. If you don't know what that is, look it up. Look up Venezuela and what happened there.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 11 years ago

The private sector has never had it so good, lowest taxes, highest profits, the greatest mass of desperate workers ever. So why aren't "businesses large and small... having faith in our economy" NOW?? Could it be the skinny black Kenyan in the White House? This is a Hostage Crisis! And the Banksters, "businesses large and small," and colluding Big$ 1%ers desperately need some Iceland Justice. But it will require Iceland Voter turnout 80-90%!!


[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago