Forum Post: What really happened at UC Davis
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 3, 2011, 11:37 a.m. EST by JohnMarsden
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So there is new video out that edits all the available UC Davis videos in chronological and surprise, it paints the situation in an all new light. Every complaint about this seems to be false now as the cops were polite and issued MANY warnings as they were mocked and completely shouted down. They handed the situation professionally. Here is the video: http://youtu.be/hhPdH3wE0_Y
This is another reason why no one trusts your movement. You guys flat out lie and manipulate evidence. You have to stop this. You can't just show video of the pepper spraying and edit out all the stuff prior to it. How the hell are you guys any better than the corrupt wealthy who manipulate the system? You are no better than them. This is the same horse crap like the Brooklyn Bridge incident where you guys got mass arrested and for 2 days claimed the NYPD never gave you guys warning about marching on the bridge. You claimed entrapment. Then the NYPD released this video:
Look at that, the cop is fully warning everyone not to go on. But this hurts our movement so we need to edit it out snip snip. Lies won't help you win over the public OWS.
I'm still at a loss trying to figure out what exactly necessitated a point blank pepper spray in the face... like I realize that officer doesn't appear to be very fond strenuous physical activity, but surely with that many other officers around at least one might have been able to pluck up a scrawny 20 y/o university student and haul her to the back of the car?
The cops warned them that they needed to move. They were blocking traffic for everyone which includes normal people who didn't care one way or another for this movement. They stated multiple times that they need to get out of the way. Then the protesters surrounded them and put them in a threatening position. They also wouldn't move to allow other police in. They very much had the authority at that point to use it. Plus, none of you should judge the use of using non lethal incapacitating force until you try to haul away 100 people who are kicking and screaming. It isn't easy.
They didn't look particularly threatening to me... they were sitting on their ass on a sidewalk. The officer in question had no trouble stepping over them and walking around them to get his pepper spray...
So what if they were warned? Is that the new standard for deploying chemical agents into people's faces?
And, did the pepper spray assist them in hauling people away? Or were they just screaming louder than before? No to mention probably blinded.
Again, stop arguing with me and watch the unedited video. They SURROUNDED the cops and refused to let them out. I'm sorry, you can keep spinning till you get dizzy but that is threatening action.
The standard is escalating force with police. If someone won't comply and they are outnumbered they will use non lethal force like pepper spray. You can use whatever over dramatic damning terminology for it but it is non lethal and a better alternative to physically assaulting the protesters.
Yes pepper spray incapacitates someone so yes, it helps in hauling them away.
Watch the video. Most of your questions are answered if you just watch the damn thing with an open mind.
Spinning it... I don't care if they were surrounding by a bunch of peaceful students they had no trouble stepping over. (Like to see them try that with real criminals)
I'm quite sure if I was in a riot uniform, with a gun, a can of pepper spray, and 40 armored pals... well I wouldn't have been all that worried about it.
An ounce of common sense would have gone further than strict adherence to standard procedure in this case, that's why they are on administrative leave.
I have watched it, it presents another side of the story. I think they were way out of line yelling "fuck the police."
But, no it does not justify blasting them in the face with pepper spray under those circumstances. They were in no real danger, and you can tell that by the non-nonchalant expression on the face of Mr. pepper spray cop himself.
There is no rationalization for the Police Officers to attack the students with the pepper spray. I have watched all the videos. The Officers were not in any danger and could have left if they wanted to. The way Officers used the pepper spray was crass and not tolerable in a civilized society. If you watch the video closely, the officers as the students start getting pepper sprayed and start trying to cover their faces the Officers actually get up closer to make sure they are able to shoot everyone with the pepper spray. I can only come to one conclusion; these officers must be fired and charged with assault. We cannot condone this type of behavior in a civilized society and anyone that has watched the videos and believes that the actions of the officers’ actions were justified needs to ask themselves how they would feel if they were sitting on the ground and were shot in the face with pepper spray.
"not tolerable in a civilized society" So it is civilized to act like babes and surround the police when there just doing there jobs??? I honestly belive that the cop did do something wrong. He didnt use enough force he should of grabbed those people pinned them to the ground and zipped tied there hands togeather after pepper spraying them. Whats the point of having law enforcement if you dont listen to them! When a cop tells you to move, you move. When a cop tells you to freeze you freeze its comman sense. Ooooohh i forgot comman sense isnt that comman.
I completely agree with you. In a lot of the videos propagated by Occupy, it is obvious that they were selectively edited. They are just as bad as Fox News.
It doesn't matter what angle or what edition of the video you watch. The police could have left without the use of pepper spray. It was not like they were physically being threatened. There is no excuse for the way the pepper spray was used on students that were sitting down. The students were peaceful... Lt Pike and the other Officer should be fired and charged for their actions. There is no justification for the way they used the pepper spray! It looks as if someone is watching their car as casual as the pepper spray is being used. The students were never a threat to the police and if Chancellor Katehi really is sorry she will terminate the officers and press charges.
You are false John Marsden. The protesters had every right to be doing what they were doing.
To call what the protestors are doing "threatening" behavior, shows what an absolutely clueless, 6th-rate propagandist you are, just as saying this is a "text book hippie movement" and that it's perceived that way by the rest of the world. . .
You can't take the fact that your violent authoritarian heroes are the real thugs and rioters. So you invent the absurd stance that they are the victims and just doing what they were told to do.
How many protestors have been harmed because of the actions of some 'over-zealous' police? How many have had their rights to assembly violated? Their property stolen by the police?
How many police were hurt or had their safety infringed, truly?
Yeah, keep putting your vile spin on it, but you know that you aren't going to fool many, because most are not complete morons afraid of "trickster hippie" hoards.
In that big text paragraph of garbage you wrote you did not cite any facts and just made a wishy washy statement and attack on my character. You didn't refute any of my points or the points of the video. This is why you guys aren't taken seriously. You argue like children and you should be treated like children.
Frank La Rue, who serves as the U.N. "special rapporteur" for the protection of free expression, told HuffPost in an interview that the crackdowns against Occupy protesters appear to be violating their human and constitutional rights.
"I believe in city ordinances and I believe in maintaining urban order," he said Thursday. "But on the other hand I also believe that the state -- in this case the federal state -- has an obligation to protect and promote human rights."
"If I were going to pit a city ordinance against human rights, I would always take human rights," he continued. La Rue, a longtime Guatemalan human rights activist who has held his U.N. post for three years, said it's clear to him that the protesters have a right to occupy public spaces "as long as that doesn't severely affect the rights of others."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/02/occupy-wall-street-un-envoy_n_1125860.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false
THis is bullshit and you are clearly another rUtard that believes in 9/11 conspiracies and the like. Police had NO BUSINESS at UC DAvis, and NO BUSINESS spraying students who are the ONLY people who had a RIGHT to be there. Dumbasses surround us,.
They were UC Davis Campus Police, hired by the university to work on the campus, where else should they be? The students blocked the campus police intentionally, refused to move, this wasn't an assembly it was an act of civil disobedience. Which is fine, it's part of what demonstrators do to protest things. The point of civil disobedience is to provoke a response. They did that too. They knew the spray was coming and could have moved at any time. The children, as they called themselves, can feel it was a win, they got their video moment.
How is captured video bullshit? Seriously if I was telling you this stuff with nothing to back it up you'd have a point but this is CLEAR video of the cops doing everything they could to avoid a confrontation and the protesters surrounded them in a threatening manner which is a big no no when dealing with the police. They acted very professional and they only way they could get smeared was to manipulate the video......which is what was done. Plus the Brooklyn bridge video is the same thing just click on it and watch. I know you refuse to watch it but again, that's being deceptive and ignorant and why should I trust YOU over bankers with that mentality?
no surprise here just like fake war hero scott olsen was a plant
They were sitting... on the ground.
It is called being subjective. It is what the news does everyday. Nothing is objective. Some bit of information is always left out to form a narrative or tell a story. In this case the story to tell was 'look at what the police are willing to do to save face'. They got that story across with a few minutes of video that many more people were likely to watch then a longer video with a more complex story would have.
"As chancellor, I take full responsibility for what happened and have been reaching out to the entire UC Davis community to make sure we never subject any of our students to anything like that ever again." 12/02/11 - Chancellor Katehi
"You guys flat out lie and manipulate evidence" What evidence, is this the Internet or a court of law? The author of this seems to be a drama queen or spin doctor. You find another clip on the net so now you are the judge, jury and executioner. Get real the officer should not have been there in the first place. "From UC to Greece" please go and do your home work.
These were said to be UC Davis Campus police, where else would they be? Even if they were local police, if they are called by the campus authority they come. The kids had an opportunity to move, if it had been local police they probably would have come with the numbers to avoid the spraying though.
There are two videos there of proof. The UC incident and the Brooklyn Bridge incident. Is there some arbitrary # of videos I need to find that debunk your crap before you will accept it? By all means give me that arbitrary # so I can get to work.
bizzump
Go sniff a holster, cop sucker.
Keep throwing the insults without watching the video you close minded liars. Keep digging that grave deeper and deeper.
Eat it and croak. Here's a few questions for you.
Did the protesters that were actually arrested and taken into custody, offer any resistance or require any forms of weaponry?
Why weren't the protesters, who were sprayed, actually arrested and taken into custody, even after they were subjected to needless torture via this gestapo chemical attack?
Why did not the officers simply arrest them properly and take them into custody right beside their "friends"?
Charity?
Would it not have made sense to simply deliver on the promise of arrest and start cuffing people, instead of using weapons and not even following through with actual arrests?
The only people digging graves are fascist sympathizers like you. It remains to see who will end up in them, but, at the rate of which police have been senselessly brutalizing The People, there does appear to be an inevitable and predictable outcome.
The cops tried pulling some of them away and the protesters pulled the person back and that video was shown on the Daily Show with John Stewrt also look up this term "Unlawfull Assembly" and if you read it. It perfectly discribes what happened at UC Davis
Nice when the perversion of words, "unlawful" instead of "illegal" are swapped when convenient. Unlawful would actually mean the protesters had brought harm. Illegal means it is in conflict or violation of a statute or code.
Nope, the assembly by the students was NOT Unlawful.
If you actually watched the video most of those questions you asked were answered. The dirty tricks and manipulations you guys play with videos won't work anymore after this and the Brooklyn bridge incident (which you of course won't talk about since it's so clear how fucking deceitful and cowardly the OWS protesters are for that one). You support blatant media manipulation to demonize a certain group you disagree with and you call me the fascist. That's rich.
Watch the video. Stop commenting here and actually watch it all. You are just making yourself look dumber and more ignorant with every post.
Also lol @ gestapo chemical attack. I think that shall be my newest facebook update.
I have to admit even the original incomplete video of the original spraying looked like something was missing. I watched but couldn't ell if the guys that got sprayed were arrested, were they?
Nope
Should have been to be consistent, but I guess the police would have been happy just to get the heck out of there at that point.
Must not talk about things that expose us as hypocrites
For the record I supported your message initially but when I saw the truth come out for the Brooklyn bridge incident and you obsession with starting crap with the cops and showing video about that instead of focusing on your movement and actual goals I lost faith. The world sees you as a text book hippie movement that should be ignored OWS and that is all your fault because you squandered all the good will. You are all nothing but spoiled children.
Yep, I came with good will and its dwindling. I've lost faith in it. The hunger strike for public space to Occupy was it for me I think. I like the ideas but the methods employed leave a lot to be desired. I was impressed that people turned out and it had support. It gave me hope. But I can't say I agree with the strategies anymore. I may watch occasionally to see if it turns into something I want to be a part of or not. They had me, now they lost me.
I dont think they care that you once supported, you've turned on their "true religion".
so?
Bump because it's childish to ignore and not talk about things that refute your evidence and catch you in lies.