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Forum Post: What Political and Economic System Would You Like To See Implemented

Posted 5 years ago on March 11, 2013, 6:53 p.m. EST by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN
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It's clear that capitalism and representative democracy with judicial oversight are failing; ironically because of the corrupting power of capital. What system of political and economic thought do you believe is the solution to the problems we face?

In my honest opinion a libertarians socialist constitutional system encompassing a green opensource fair trade localized economy with worker owned and controlled businesses and a political system emphasizing localized participatory and direct democratic principals as well as judicial oversight, and technocratic guidance and implementation in the long term application of science and engineering for national and human progress; is the ideal system that we can implement and we should begin immediately moving towards doing so.

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[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 5 years ago
  • The REAL Problem Is... how do we implement it ?

  • We can have the PERFECT System designed .. and one that All agree to...

  • How to we put it into reality ?
  • How do we fight those that do not want us to succeed ?
  • How do we force those that have ... to share with those who need?

  • That Is the REAL Problem...

  • Eventually technology will provide... someday we will have machines that can manufacture anything we can think of for pennies... and no one will need anything materialistic... but that is at least 50 yrs away...

  • Understanding How... help's design when... and therefore help's design what

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 5 years ago

our government can be amended by constitutional amendment. if we fail to attain a constitutional convention because of the subversion of democracy there is always the 2nd amendment option.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 5 years ago

yes quantumystic .. I think we all know that ... there was numerous attempts last year.... yet not enough people supporting them.... a Constitutional Convention might be do-able... but we will need all the answers defined.... ie...

  • how to keep economy moving as change is made...
  • how to move power from the corporations w/o a total economic collapse...
  • how to get the judicial system in place to do it's job
  • etc ...

and a 2nd amendment option would be much harder...

personally... I believe it would be much easier to simply take back our existing government... by voting the criminals out

[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 5 years ago
  • Imagine a world with no countries to kill and die for ....

  • and the only way that will happen... is to give everyone equal say, equal power and equal opportunity to prosperity ...

  • someday... when mankind can love each other and treat each other as one ... we will have true anarchy .... and we will need no rules or systems ...

  • until then... as we live In a world which needs some rules ...

  • the closest system to anarchy is "direct democracy"

[-] 2 points by gsw (3221) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 years ago

Political http://www.cusdi.org/index.html

Economic ...21 Flexible living wage for all workers: (through citizens members all members of public coops in community ownership of 51 percent of all corporation operating in usa, or nationalized public coops where all citizens have a voice, ownership, and dividend credits to assure the reach a living wage and meet human needs through: oil and minerals, utilities, food, housing, education coops, whose proceeds and credits help ensure living wage and basic needs credits as human rights) see 22 and 23 below for further details on how funded.

For example ...Say we decide $75,000 is a living wage. ( or some relative equivalent if we have universal Medicare, and universal coop food, housing and energy credits to bring one close to this level, assuming the people decided cooperative of the major resources, owned by all, is a good idea and is best for whole country, the general welfare). Students would not earn full living wage in housing, but might earn more credits toward education, so it would balance out. This would be to state schools, most likely, but not exclusively). Also the $75,000 figure might be for a forty year old. A more modest living wage, say $40,000 for a twenty five year old, $25,000 for below 25 years. This to be paid for with 80 percent income tax on earnings over a 400,000 a year, and from credits we all earn as members, citizens of government coops in food, energy, housing, agriculture, education, etc. Slackers, and the are some, would be towards lower end of living wage scale, more of a maintain acne wage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

22 citizen co-majority ownership of majority shares of any publicly traded corporation operating on us soils, or accessing us markets. We get stock dividend 51 percent and voting rights on all corporate activities in USA.

23 income over $400,000.00 taxed at 80 percent rate. Money goes directly to wealth equalization fund for all American to access human needs living wages and or credits (housing, agriclture. Transportation, energy, education) described in 21 above

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-would-a-new-constitution-say/

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 5 years ago

interesting site gsw... http://www.cusdi.org/index.html

[-] 2 points by gsw (3221) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 years ago

I like your no countries notion,

and this http://www.cusdi.org/index.html ties in with equalizing power.

I stumbled upon the site, and like all the references, like it's an actual plan for action.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33673) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Consider.

In compliment to a minimum living wage for any 40 hr per week job.

Due to the nature of abuse of the part time worker.

They receive a significant higher hourly wage.

[-] 1 points by gsw (3221) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 years ago

Thats good. They shold do ok, as workers to live and meet needs.

They'd get universal health, and coop credits in food, housing manufactured items, transportation, oil, utilities, cable, mineral proceeds-like Alaska. Transportation, to get them to minimum, living wage below.

If $75,000 was full time minimum for a 40 year old, maybe $65,000 for 32 hours, $59,000 for 35 hours a week.

80 percent tax on income over $400,000.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33673) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Work it forward - from 18 - legal minimum age for 40 hrs or more per week.

So = minimum living wage starts here = 18

Wages should be rewarded to the worker for growth on the job - skills education experience.

But also as the business is successful so are the employees - from the ground on up-to the pinnacle.

EQUAL GROWTH TOP TO BOTTOM AS THE BUSINESS GROWS.

Gross imbalance - NOT ACCEPTABLE

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 5 years ago

A system that recognizes that a minority within the population will always gain an unfair share of economic and political power in society over time and periodically resets that power by equitably redistributing it among the people.

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

a common law republic.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 5 years ago

what kind of economic and political system does your common law republic entail?

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 5 years ago

Read my thread about it.

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