Forum Post: What message are we trying to send?
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 11, 2011, 10:15 p.m. EST by bigtimelost
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from Riverside, CA
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To keep it simple:
1) Tax the rich. 2) Get money out of politics. 3) Give control of the banks to government, not the other way around.
Better Idea... 1) Tax everyone a flat rate. Eliminate All loopholes for businesses and individuals. Keep existing State tax rates in the hands of the states. 2) Get money out of politics (i.e. crony capitalism) 3) Give control of the banks to the banks. Form laws similar to purchasing any other good where in there was a previous knowledge that a given good was unsound or defective that the provider of that good would be liable for the entire cost to the consumer of that good. (i.e. phony securities and such) 4) Limit federal government to essential functions as provided in the Constitution. 5) Demand state officials do the job they were asked to do when elected. Since the federal government wont be doing it any more 6) In order for the people to be able to 'watch dog' the people we elect without the interference of biased media (from the left or the right); all legislation must be written in plain English and in a form that can be understood by the lowest average education. (say high school ages). This will keep our government officials, regardless of party from being able to pass laws or acts that use vague wording so the system can manipulate the meaning of a law while their trying to pass it and then using it to a different end after it's passed. 7) Pondering a method where people could at some point feedback on progress of a given official, determine if that official has made any attempt to act on the issues that got them into office and potentially dismiss an official that has been deemed unproductive. It would have to be carefully implemented so that left and right didn't just keep 'impeaching' the other to put one of their guys in. Ideas on that might be nice. Maybe asking too much.
Okay I'm a conservative but I am actually here to be constructive. I'm sure plenty of you have been asked to move away to a socialist state so you don't drag everyone in the country away from a government that is manageable by the people. Direct democracy on the federal level introduces too many people to be 'trapped' in an oppressive system where their voice is disenfranchised. I wont claim to know the numbers but assume that immediately after implementing a direct democracy that some bigot introduces a "Find a cure for the gay Act". I hope that something so oppressive wouldn't pass in today's age (I'm a FISCAL and CONSTITUTIONAL Conservative... So I don't care to suppress gays or abortions etc.) But what if that came to pass? At the federal level gays would potentially dragged from their homes and 'de-programmed'? Okay so my example is extreme (bordering on fear mongering) but what about on a smaller scope? You're asking conservatives (yes some of you think we're all... (insert nasty name here)'s even though I'm a lower middle class family man) to be in a society that was not intended to be according to the principals we were founded on. In state government a direct democracy would be easier to implement and safer to maintain. People that didn't want to participate could move a state over. You seem to be asking us to accept it or leave. Missouri already sends lots of issues to citizens to vote on. I feel I get a fair shake at what is going on in my state. We voted to keep the health care bill from fining Missouri citizens if they chose not to purchase healthcare. It passed and the federal government essentially laughed it off. We safeguarded ourselves using the constitution to effect change. Now if the federal government continues to expand it's granted powers we wont have the choice. It starts here but as the 99% there needs to be a compromise. Because you're not 99% without the rest of us.
And if Occupy was REALLY 99% they wouldn't have a choice.
Thoughts, comments, trolls?
Or maybe a branch movement... Not Occupy 'something'. There's a lot of conservatives on here and while some are here just to troll, some are here to offer their opinion, parlay and it would seem genuinely try to work toward a mutually beneficial end.
To raise political participation, let's make election day in November a federal holiday. Instead of just voting, every town can have a town meeting or general assembly.
If they say we can't afford a new holiday, let's move Columbus Day to November and change its name.
1 and 2 sound good, for 3 I would substitute: Eliminate fractional-reserve lending (basically it is counterfeiting) by banks, replace the needed growth of the money supply with new debt-free money created to fund the government (no need to borrow money anymore, less need for taxes).
It's not as simple though...
great start, and if I may add, let's get fouced and learn how to bring back the g-s act:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-day-the-gramm-leach-bliley-act-of-1999-came-up/
Agreed, here's how to do it: PUBLIC VOTE OPTION on the COMPETING FINAL DEMOCRATIC vs FINAL REPUBLICAN vs INDEPENDENT VERSIONS of a CONGRESSIONAL BILL.
That's the title of a White House petition http://wh.gov/bhC Petitions receiving 25,000 votes in 30 days, are referred for evaluation followed by official White House statement.
Win!!!
Who's playing?
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Actually that message is not complete. You forgot "We are attempting to send these messages by sitting under a blue tarp, wagging our fingers at each other at meetings, shitting in buckets, and banging on drums until we're begged to stop." That part.