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Forum Post: What is this obsession of world leaders called Gross Domestic Product?

Posted 5 years ago on Oct. 14, 2014, 4:14 p.m. EST by grapes (5232)
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I ran short of urbane vocabulary so I tried to simplify according to the "less is more" philosophy and consulted the urban dictionary for the meaning of the obsession of world leaders.

I found this revelation: Gross Domestic Product means "something disgusting and inviting vomit" "domestic violence" "drugs"

According to the peoples' definitions, world leaders are pursuing the wrong goal. Can we turn this prime obsession of world leaders on its head and have them pursue "Beautiful Universal Peace Gift" economies instead?

I think "health for all" should top the prioritized list.



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[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

GDP=Moar fresh young slaves on reduced rations+moar old slaves worked to death+Less and RICHER Billionaires+higher infant mortality+moar drug sales legal and illegal+5 Quadrillion student debt which can't be discharged EVEN IF YOU DIE.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

No matter what -ism we subscribe to, everyone is subject to the laws of supply and demand. The art to good living is to strike a good-enough balance. Capitalism was good for expansions with its compound-interest exponential growth but it became cancerous once resource limits were or are reached. GDP was a fetish which had outlived its allotted time because its drive for moar and moar leads to depravities of all kinds. There may exist hysteresis preventing its fall from reverence but all the potential energy distributions conspire to rebalance.

Here is the quasi-Jesus Truth: Moar is less. Less shall be more.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

Markets are natural.They work fine.People have always had them,and they function fairly for just about everybody.Frugality-not miserliness-is a virtue making big comeback.About freakin' time,IMO.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Efficient markets are good markets but they can only be efficient if they are properly regulated. They must be transparent, minimize "asymmetric information," facilitate price discovery process, and have real teeth in enforcing its consequences. That is they must be fair and helpful.

Frugality is a virtue but miserliness is a vice. I think we have unfortunately been prioritized towards miserliness by neglecting PUBLIC infrastructures.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

Hear,hear-well said,O Purple Tart Grapes With Seeds.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Sour Grapes?

aaahhhHAAhahahahaha - you are on a roll

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Concord grapes are sweet, not sour. They taste sour only to those without Concord. Then they are just gang rapes of the great apes.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

Tart isn't the same as Sour.Grapes is All Natural and NOT genetically modified.

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

the first gene crossing experiments were done with peas

peas are kinda like grapes

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

I think peas are legumes.Grapes seem like a fruit.The selective breeding of grapes has gone on for centuries,so you are correct.Grapes might not technically not be a fruit,but if not,I don't know what they are-LOL-seeds maybe?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Tart isn't the same as Sour

True true - my bad

Grapes is All Natural and NOT genetically modified.

hmmmm I shouldn't pursue this any further - could get into TMI territory pretty fast. |:-/

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 5 years ago

You can tell because Grapes most absolutely does have seeds and GM grapes don't.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Grapes is seedy?

No Nope - forget I said anything.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

I don't want anyone to die

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Everyone does sooner or later. The only ones who may never die are the ones who have never lived. Life comes AND life goes but the journey is the adventure and the path to Enlightenment.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4149) 5 years ago

We can't all live under our current system...only some will..some will fool themselves, some are satisfied with mediocrity, and some have changed their definition of satisfaction ( like members of occupy) , when it boils down aren't we fighting for the ability to have a more meaningful happy existence?

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

We should be fighting for the Beautiful Universal Peace Gifts: Health, Education, Livelihood, and Passion (HELP). With our arriving soon at an age in which great productivities will render humans unnecessary and obsolete as a means, we are left only with humans as an end. Hence, we must pursue the Gifts of HELP. Currently, Gift as translated by Go ogle has a distinctive Angela Merkel accent left over so some assembly is required.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (4149) 5 years ago

O c'mon what the fuck is that? An anagram for justice? That is cute why don't you see if our corporate overlords will agree to it ? Because by the looks of their China Slaves we workers are all heading into the coal mines and won't have time for all that...sorry

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Here was an empirical oddity. The BP/Deepwater Horizon blowout in the Gulf of Mexico was good for jobs, jobs, jobs: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/08/22/why-the-job-market-actually-improved-after-the-bp-oil-spill/

One easy way to increase economic output is to emulate the Gulf Oil Spill. Create a major man-made disaster and people will get jobs, jobs, jobs to clean up the mess afterwards. I think that is in line with the current obsession of our world leaders.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

A more meaningful happy existence for all requires everyone to create or ascribe more meanings to events. An anagram for justice may be a baby step in the desired direction. No one needs to see our corporate overlords for meanings because meanings are Gifts of our minds, not Gifts of our overlords.

Coal-mine jobs are becoming scarce due to the conversion to natural gas from fracking. There will be lots of time on the hands of those who seek work in the coal mines. More past-times are needed for humans to be an end, specifically as Passion of the Beautiful Universal Peace Gifts of HELP.

As China Slaves are humans, too, millions or tens of millions will come out of coal mines and factories with lots of time on their hands. I fear for China, as idle hands breed discontents. Take your pick, Gifts of time or Poisons of time hinges on humans discovering themselves as an end, not a means to an end.

Gift economies reorder priorities better to attain human happiness. Instead of eternal wars to boost GDP, how about playing a game of Lego(R)'s?

[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 5 years ago

on the other side of the coin there is a "Gross Social Product"

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

The coin has two few faces to accommodate HELP. We need a tetrahedron with rounded faces to roll like a ball but not be a ball.