Forum Post: What is the final motive of this campaign???
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 12:53 p.m. EST by Umeriboy
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My question is to all the people protesting against the FEUDAL LORDS and WALL STREET CROOKS, is it this easy to change the entire system??? I mean "apparently" the whole world would crumble if the banking system collapses... And shutting down few big banks and organizations clearly won't shake the system to its core. So what is the motive?? How can people ensure that money is distributed among everyone and not in just few hands???
My suggestion is that the new system MUST be based on the economic model given by ISLAM... Just give it one look, just go and research about it... I am sure you will find it be exactly what the people all over the world want today. One link to a very basic intro of that system is given below... This campaign doesn't need a leader, but a clear cut ideology and direction. Islamic economic model is the system of peace, and fairness... Just give it a thorough read with open and non-biased approach, I promise you will be amazed at the fact that most of the propositions given today for the welfare of mankind were invented 1400 years ago.
http://islamicsystem.blogspot.com/2008/10/islamic-economic-system-as-alternative.html
I believe it will take an entire collapse before we can restructure into something new. If we keep fixing a broken system it won't work. I am not pessimistic but I believe things will have to get a lot worse first. You can't put a band-aid on a hemorrhage an expect results. This usually requires emergency surgery. I apologize for any spelling errors, for those that look for that sort of thing here, but you get my point.
Agreed, the system is systemically rotten. Like a cancer that's spread throughout the whole body.
The problem is that you must THINK THROUGH how you plan to address that cancer because even though you mean well, there are plenty of treatments that will result in the PATIENT DYING. Are you willing to take upon yourself full responsibility for killing the patient while you attempted to cure their cancer?
My point exactly, this campaign lacks real direction, we all stand united against one common enemy, but we all are proposing different solutions to hunt down our enemy... Cohesion in our strategy is desperately needed right now. So what do you suggest? We should let some technocrat design the economic system???
The problem is, this movement has already been misled by one of the most well known characteristics of human behavior. Let me explain:
ANYONE who spends more than half an hour with two ten year olds KNOWS that when one of them does something wrong, 90% of the time THE GUILTY CHILD will be the first to accuse the INNOCENT one of being the guilty party. In order to protect-we all deflect. "HE DID IT!".
An honest and compassionate child would not WANT to even point the finger of blame at the other person even if he himself is innocent. Only a selfish, guilty child is always willing to finger someone else.
Now. Forbes just released it's "Wealthiest Americans" rankings. Look at how many of the WEALTHIEST AMERICANS-THE 1% (the guilty remember?) are SUPPORTING THE OWS movement to attack WALL STREET. WHY??
In the article below-the dailymail.co.uk from YESTERDAY states that QUOTE- "None of the top 10 earning CEOs are from Wall Street, or even the financial sector. Three are from healthcare companies(McKesson, Express Scripts and UnitedHealth Group), two from fashion houses (Ralph Lauren and Coach), one from real estate (Vornado Realty), one from entertainment (Disney), one from internet travel (Priceline.com), one from advertising (Omnicom Group) and one from oil and gas (Ultra Petroleum)."
NONE of the top ten CEO's are on wall street or even in the financial sector!!! So why on earth did your "organizers" plant you on Wall Street from day one? And then bring in 1%er after 1%er to "approve or support" your movement?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049405/Meet-Americas-10-highest-paid-bosses-Forbes-list-wealthiest-CEOs.html#ixzz1ayIXAIB7
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049405/Meet-Americas-10-highest-paid-bosses-Forbes-list-wealthiest-CEOs.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
You are spot on... Things are going horribly wrong... And no matter what you do, this system is going to be in bits and pieces in near future... As predicted by many, the dollar WILL collapse, bringing down the entire paper money with it. And then these crooks will use intangible, electronic money to gain complete control over our lives... That's why we must start preparing from right now to counter this master plan.
Anarchist communism
Let's say that I agree with you that "every inch of Wall Street" is a tumor. It is a tumor growing inside of the precious American body. Shouldn't someone who is wise, and intelligent and concerned about the survival of the patient be very careful and very clear about how they attempt to remove that tumor?
Do you just rip the patient open and tear out that tumor with both hands? No. The patient will die.
Do you entrust it's care to people who aren't doctors because you believe that these people "really really want what's best for everyone" or do you seek to find the most qualified team of surgeons you can?
IF your true concern is for THE PATIENT-you will do all you can to insure the LEAST amount of harm comes to the patient. The world is watching this movement-and the moment it senses that what you are doing HURTS them more than it HELPS them-they will resist your treatment.
I think the 'final motive' is to keep going, to keep up democratic meetings with one another to air grievances and talk about possible solutions. A more participatory democracy, rather than just sitting on our bums and hoping our representatives do the right thing some day.
" I mean "apparently" the whole world would crumble if the banking system collapses... "
I don't know, Argentina's economy collapsed around 1999, and there wasn't this horrific Lord of the Flies scenario. Rather you saw 1/3 of the population participating in democratic assemblies. Workers took control of the businesses that were abandoned by the bosses and ran them.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_economic_crisis_(1999%E2%80%932002)#Worker-owned_cooperatives_and_self-management)
I doubt you'll get the movement to push for a particular religion's economic system, though I really like point #2 that you have: food, shelter, clothing and basic necessities needed to live become a human right.
That's why I said APPARENTLY, today appearance and reality are complete opposites... They use these sort of tools and present these absurd theories to scare us from revolting against their tyrannical system. Like Albert Einstein said: 'Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed.' And no offence, but the Islamic economic system is not just limited for Muslims, with proper understanding it can be implemented anywhere. It is a complete and comprehensive system, made for the welfare of HUMANITY. When and where it was implemented, it yielded unbelievable results. Can you disagree that it is not an effective system??
Reality is your own perception. Mine is different from yours because I see the world through a different lens. In addition, what we see in front of us is not what life is about. What we have in common here is that for the betterment of humanity the system as we know it needs to change. It still begins from within. The intention is what matters. This movement will organically grow, regardless of whether a leader is chosen or steps up, or emerges. it will be great to start talking about what we are for rather than what we are fighting against, I agree. The articulation and communication of our message is extremely important.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/steps-to-success/
The only possible way any significant change will occur is through an Article V convention, amending the constitution.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Congress is VERY afraid of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution "Congress acted preemptively to propose the amendments instead. At least four amendments (the Seventeenth, Twenty-First, Twenty-Second, and Twenty-Fifth Amendments) have been identified as being proposed by Congress at least partly in response to the threat of an Article V convention."
All the politicians are Wall Street owned bro... they are merely puppets... What we are campaigning against is aimed directly towards the people who "REALLY" run the world... You can never expect them to propose any thing which will be threatening to their master's system...
And their owners will not be able to control an Article V convention IF the peoples of the several states are amending. We have no need for them to propose anything.
Congress is very afraid of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution "Congress acted preemptively to propose the amendments instead. At least four amendments (the Seventeenth, Twenty-First, Twenty-Second, and Twenty-Fifth Amendments) have been identified as being proposed by Congress at least partly in response to the threat of an Article V convention."
Our first right in our contract is Article V, the right to have congress convene delgates when 2/3 of the states have applied for an amendatory convention.
Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Lots of facts here about Article V. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html
A thread on it.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/only-1-demand-includes-all-others-article-v-of-the/
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Hi, I have some economic propositions on a different page on these forums and was wondering if you'd be willing to look them over and add some based on the Islamic system, as you are suggesting. If you would be, please go here (http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-economic-agenda-for-ows/) and comment.
no thanks.