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Forum Post: What is Occupy (fill in the blank)

Posted 3 years ago on Nov. 11, 2011, 4:45 p.m. EST by xthesnarfx (9)
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I have heard about Occupy Wall Street, but I have no idea what the point is. Is it wanting to help the poor? Close the gap between classes? Trying to stop big business? What is it?

I figure I'd ask you guys and get a direct response instead of reading articles. So Please, inform me what you guys are trying to prove/solve/change.

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[-] 1 points by JonoLith (467) 3 years ago

The problem is that Banking and Corporate interests have bought everyone in a position of power. The Media is bought, the Politicians are bought, the Judges are bought, the Police are bought. This allows them to do incredible damage to the most fundamental rights that we, as humans, have. They murder, rape, steal, and lie to maintain their control, and we're not taking it anymore.

End the Fed.

[-] 1 points by xthesnarfx (9) 3 years ago

So, you're saying that people with money control too much?

[-] 1 points by JonoLith (467) 3 years ago

I'm saying that the people with money control everything. Every single dollar bill that you have ever made was loaned to the United States by the Federal Reserve. Your currency is a debt based currency.

End the Fed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 3 years ago

I look at it like this: This economic system has no purpose that can sustain itself. Consequent to that, there are few intelligent people that want to work in it. Further, it bases its exclusion and "right to property" on old injustices and genocide that have yet to be corrected. So at its current functioning, it's not only illogical, it is immoral.

Ask yourself: is it moral to participate in this economic system?

[-] 1 points by xthesnarfx (9) 3 years ago

Is it moral to participate in this economic system? Good question. I don't see the system as immoral, rather the people. If I can be apart of the system and be a moral person, how can it be immoral?

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 3 years ago

Ah, but how does an economic system which has not only its "noblest cause" the maximization of profit, but the legal requirement of it (to put it crudely), allow for anything other than self-destruction?

If you read up on the etymological basis for the word "economics" you find that it refers to the "keeping of the household". This is nothing like our current system. So properly speaking, it should NOT be called an economic system, but a chrematistical one.

[-] 1 points by RonaldReagan (1) from Brooklyn, NY 3 years ago

What a rube ronimacaroni is. Why doesn't anyone talk about campaign finance reform. Limit it to one small amount per person and corporation/union. The pols are beholden to the payoff. Look at Obama paying everyone back with taxpayer money. Go home. Take a bath. Get a haircut. Get a job. You look foolish.

[-] 1 points by xthesnarfx (9) 3 years ago

What do you mean?

[-] 1 points by xthesnarfx (9) 3 years ago

So you want government to be more involved in the private sector?

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 3 years ago

Why do you call it the private sector?

[-] 1 points by xthesnarfx (9) 3 years ago

Because the definition of private sector is "The part of the national economy that is not under direct government control."

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 3 years ago

So is the cocaine and herion market the private sector?

[-] 1 points by xthesnarfx (9) 3 years ago

No, because it is apart of the black market. The money off drugs doesn't go towards the national economy.

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 3 years ago

(@xthesnarfx) Huh? Is fraudulent banking part of the "white" market then? Does the banking practices that led to the financial mess go towards the "national economy"?

I think there's an interesting and relevant comparison to be made to the addiction of profit and to the markets made by illicit drug trafficking.

[-] 1 points by iworkforaliving (7) 3 years ago

"Practices" do not themselves provide or subtract funds. Ponzie schemes are "fraudulent".

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 3 years ago

I think that has yet to be fully unveiled. You might take a look at the video/movie: zeitgeistmovie.com. (I think that's the name of it.) I think the issues are far darker than the common scientific materialist view of the world allows.

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[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 3 years ago

We want to stop the financial industry from wrecking this country and undermining our government.

[-] 2 points by xthesnarfx (9) 3 years ago

So you want government to be more involved in the private sector?

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 3 years ago

See above thread to this same (repeated) question. In any case, keep in mind that the American Constitution (what he's criticizing as the "government") was made by a group of "private sector" individuals.

[-] 1 points by iworkforaliving (7) 3 years ago

Then why does OWS have funds in banks? How do people giving money via the OWS website do so w/o banks?
Another issue: if OWS did not care so much about money, they wouldn't be complaining. But OWSers are just as greedy as anyone else.

[-] 0 points by Fedup10 (228) 3 years ago

OWS is not for capitalism, or socialism, or communism. OWS is for entitlementism. It is a view that by just by being you are entitled to a level of success that ensures the ability to live a comfortable life.

[-] 1 points by xthesnarfx (9) 3 years ago

Just by being? As noble of a cause that it is, how can we support everyone? If someone doesn't work how can they have a certain level of comfort?

[-] 0 points by Fedup10 (228) 3 years ago

Do not ask me, its crazy thinking!