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Forum Post: What is Occupies opinion on Guns and the Second Amendment?

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 24, 2011, 4:06 p.m. EST by Sublime911 (18) from Fairfax, VA
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I'm a libertarian and I think you guys have some great ideas on Corporatism and civil rights. But before I can support you guys I need to know what are your opinions on the 2nd amendment. I have a large collection of guns including some full auto ones and suppressors and I am a competition shooter. I cant support any group that would try to limit my right to defend my self and my family.

I sleep better at night knowing I have 50 rounds of 7.62x51 hollow points just a second away. Does the majority of occupy favor increased gun control? Would you guys allow me to keep the newest addition of my collection? Pic related, don't have to 50 round drum on it right now . http://imageshack.us/f/818/dsc0002sl.jpg/



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[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 12 years ago

You are part of the 99% whether you stand up with us or not. You can be silent or speak up, also your choice. There is nobody here that can authorize nor deny your position. The choice to exercise your rights lay entirely with you.

[-] 1 points by dingylingy (3) from Muir Beach, CA 12 years ago

we are non-violent, our tactics involve only non-violent actions and strategies, but i don't think we want to take away your rights or your guns. I personally really enjoyed my experience shooting. we are just non-violent, so guns and the 2nd amendment is sort of irrelevant to us.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

The Bill of Rights is a package. All the amendments of it are individual rights and limitations on government power. I urge this position (which is the obvious original intent) on all OWS'ers.

We need to stand together for the Constitution.

[-] 1 points by Sublime911 (18) from Fairfax, VA 12 years ago

I carry my makarov or seecamp .32 on me at all times. Last year I stopped a mugging/attempted abduction and three years ago I killed 2 armed robbers who broke into my house. I don't trust the police or the government to protect me.

[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 12 years ago

My opinion on guns is that you should definitely be allowed to own a gun.

However, my view of gun ownership laws is probably far left than yours.(or perhaps similar)

I think that if you choose to own and register a gun in your name, you should be accepting an incredible amount of responsibility for it.

For instance, if that gun is tied to a crime or found at a crime scene, the burden of evidence should fall on you to prove that you were dispossessed of that gun illegally and that you took all appropriate measures to secure it and report it missing within 24 hours. If you cannot, you should be found guilty of the crimes committed.

The reason I believe most on the left (which I am) to be hypocrites, is that they defend Mumia, despite the fact that a gun registered in his name spent 5 bullets into Daniel Faulkner. It disgusts me because even if the conspiracy theories are true(another shooter),they defend him I just don't give a damn because that means that he does not accept any responsibility for his own gun.

Not sure if Libertarians agree with me, but that's my opinion.

[-] 1 points by Sublime911 (18) from Fairfax, VA 12 years ago

Thats sounds reasonable. In states like Virginia though you can buy a gun online and though gun craigslist from random people and you don't have to fill out any paper work so it might be hard to enforce.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Alaska has some interesting and reasonable gun laws. Unlike most of the lower 48, private owners can freely advertise what they have for sale online, and they sure do have some interesting pieces.

I am quite tempted to spring on a double barrel Gatling gun currently advertised for sale. A custom made beauty and one I don't think I can repop easily enough to justify not buying it instead.


[-] 0 points by KingVegetax (51) 12 years ago

Yeah that's not a Gatling gun. Not even close

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I understand what it is and added that owner supplied description in case somebody wanted to easily find it. However, here, you can't just pop on Craigslist and even advertise a single shot shotgun.

There? Lots of awesome stuff including all the class III stuff you want to have the hassle of owning.

[-] 0 points by KingVegetax (51) 12 years ago

You just gotta know where to look for the good stuff. 2 BAR , 1 MP5a5 and a few other toys by getting to know the neighbors :)

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I smithed for years and have a pretty good tab on lots of interesting bits. Around 5 years ago, in my area, lots of seemingly 'less than causal traders' were taken to task and demonstrably enough to result many drawing in as far as foot-loose trading goes.

I'm pretty much a H&K and SIG kinda guy leaning towards .3" holes, but, I love them all.

I've never handled a MP5, but, I've never met a H&K that I didn't love.

[-] 1 points by orz (83) 12 years ago

OWS might synthesize, if not reasonably tolerate, a diversity of ideas for the same purpose: ending the oligarchy that has no force of its own but our committment to it. And people want this no matter what "occupy" transforms into: the people who care or would care if they knew.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

If you are a Libertarian, how in the world can you think OWS has great ideas on corporatism and civil rights? They are OPPOSITE of Libertarianism.

[-] 1 points by Sublime911 (18) from Fairfax, VA 12 years ago

Corporatism is NOT free market capitalism. What is going on now is the basically gambling but having your loses subsidized by the government. So wait are you guys for NDAA, SOPA, Patriot act, Iraq and the coming Iran war, indefinite detention and assassinations of us citizens without trails and the bank bailouts? Because all of those things are despised by libertarians.

[-] 1 points by bmogreena (19) from Flint, MI 12 years ago

I am a libertarian socialist and despise free market capitalism (I mean come on, we need public roads)....I do not own or carry a weapon, but this movement will never represent 99% if all we are is a bunch of 35%ers (gun hating disgruntled democrats).

When I say libertarian socialist, I will clarify. I want to be able to do things I want to do, like smoke weed if I feel like it, own a gun if I feel like it, drive fast car if I feel likeit. However, I think that the means of production is to a point where free market capitalism can only mean monopoly capitalism which is not capitalism(too big to fail anyone?). So libertarianism as an economic structure does not make much sense to me, where co-ownership of the means of production is the only way that everyone can benefit from the vast increases in technology that we have been making. Under capitalism I am a Luddite, under socialism if we can make cashier-less registers all it means is less work for the whole population....Under free market capitalism it just makes me want to smash cashier-less registers.


[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 12 years ago

Seems reasonable to me.

[-] 1 points by Sublime911 (18) from Fairfax, VA 12 years ago

I already do.

[-] 1 points by BabyJ (1) 12 years ago

Is that legal in Virginia? It sure isn't in New York.

[-] 0 points by BabyJ (1) 12 years ago

I think there would be much less gang deaths and general crime if thugs knew everyone was carrying a gun.


[-] 0 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 12 years ago

It will be difficult to completely subjugate the population until gun control is the law of the land. It's the psychological component that is the most important, armed people don't fear their government as they should. When you allow the state to take your only means of defense then it's much easier to establish control in every other area of your lives.

The sooner you realize your slavery the sooner we can get on with depopulation and it's obvious benefits.

[-] 1 points by Sublime911 (18) from Fairfax, VA 12 years ago

The government should fear the people. I hope you are being sarcastic, what you are describing sounds like hell.

[-] -1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I don't care what the Occupy position is on the second amendment - I ain't givin up my guns . . . .

[-] -2 points by owsleader2011 (304) 12 years ago

OWS is fucking ORWELLIAN. In the OWS world ONLY the police would have gun's and those gun's would be used to confiscate wealth from the have's to the have-not's, The OWS minion's are too fucking lazy to steal themselves and thus are beholden to the Police State. Yes the OWS is polar opposite to Libertarian or Liberty or Freedom.

The OWS is "Freedom is Slavery", "War is Peace",

The OWS is designed to hate all things that are opposed to the status quo, for instance the word "RonPaul" is banned on OWS. Why pray tell? Because debate of the origins of are financial mess are forbidden.

What OWS tells is that that 1% have and that 99% should steal from the 1%. Gun's are never mentioned because the OWS is NON-VIOLENT, like OBAMA the OWS let's OTHER-PEOPLE do their shooting.

Back in the 1930's they used to have a joke if you want WAR vote democrat, if you want to lose your money vote republican. Today the PUG-DEM are ONE and they are called OWS.