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Forum Post: what is a stupid smart person?

Posted 4 years ago on Jan. 15, 2016, 12:02 a.m. EST by elf3 (4187)
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We have met them...those math brained kids with no sense of humor or sarcasm...that glazed over look of a lizard staring back seemingly without empathy and an inability to register their actions have consequences...who are these great non contributors of society concocting deadly chemicals and birth defects in their labs all day? Are they burning the world on purpose? Are they still sore they were bullied or treated like geeks? These dow scientists...and their ilk...creating weapons, chemicals, and cancer....do they go home and sleep softly basking in revenge on the human race...or are they blissful in their single minded idiot brains that have the unfortunate "gift" only to do math?

Just a thought on this Thursday night






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[-] 4 points by agkaiser (2460) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 years ago

MBAs decide what scientists and engineers can do. Even academics are manipulated by the glorious market. It's management and finance that threaten the human race with extinction by stupidity and greed. Scientists have no power and must do as they're told by the idiots in charge.

Exceptions: engineers like me who bucked the system and ended up homeless and broke and now live in minimal comfort at age 69 thanks to the generosity of their children, who learned to play the game smartly.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23319) 4 years ago

It's a good point, elf. A lot of times people who study science find that the only career opportunities are completely yuck in terms of morality, yet they do it anyway. If people don't start saying "no" to immoral jobs that are deleterious to the human race we'll never turn this thing around.

That goes for all people, actually, not just scientists. People who work for corporations that degrade the earth and it's people in any way are all culpable.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

The smart guy is the one acting stupid in front of the stupid guy who is trying to sound smart :)

know your audience :)

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Seeing Noah building the humongous Ark, people asked him what it was for. He said, "It was my Lord's command to save all life from a great flood." People asked him, "When will the great flood come?" Noah answered, "When this stone lion bleeds." People laughed at his stupidity, for stone lions can never bleed, and left him.

One day, the butcher (of Wall Street) heard of Noah's Ark and the stone lion that would bleed. He decided to play a practical joke on Noah so he smeared, at night, blood from his slaughtered animals on the stone lion. Upon seeing the "bleeding" stone lion in the morning, Noah did what the Lord told him and the Deluge came as promised, washing away all who had laughed at the Ark.

Stone lion can bleed, for everything is possible with the Lord.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 4 years ago

they've broken the oil from shale with fracking

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

"All the springs of the great deep burst forth"

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

The welcome-to-beautiful-parkersburg link crashed my computer. The successful-aging-part-7b-12 link is no longer valid. Try looking at the other aging-parts. Search for C8 or perfluorooctanoic acid instead.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

The information about chemical pollution and biological pathways can be rather overwhelming. I take the body system approach and watch my body's inputs, outputs, and throughputs.

We breathe huge volume of air so living in or moving to less urbanized, agriculturized, or industrialized areas is most important. Next, we need water to be healthy so drinking lots of clean water helps greatly. Most water is somewhat polluted so using a charcoal water filter for all cooking and consumed water helps remove heavy metals such as lead, chlorine, and organic chemical pollutants. Then I watch my foods and my body's outputs' quality and throughput rates.

Clean air, clean water, clean foods, and good regular outputs tend to lead to good health. A mostly vegetarian diet reduces the chemical load from bio-concentration of toxins. Forget about cosmetics, shampoos, moisturizers, deodorants, etc. Use old-timers' cheap and easy remedies instead. We are bags of water so we often have fewer wrinkles when fully hydrated. There is no need to shower everyday and use mild soaps only as needed. Most other countries' peoples never shower and bathe as often as we Americans do and frankly, I consider many of them having BETTER skins and complexions than we do. You would not put a persimmon out in the sun to keep it fresh so we keep our skins out of the sun to avoid them wilting into sun-dried persimmons.

Vinegar and baking soda can deodorize. Hydrogen peroxide can bleach and kill germs. Drinking a cup or two of filtered water before breakfast can keep one regular and well hydrated. Don't fuss over the details like the Communist system of counting rationing coupons of different kinds. It's good enough that you feel and are healthy without knowing all the biochemical minutiae. I would eat a tomato, a persimmon, or an orange a day rather than take beta-carotene if epidemiological data show that eating orange fruits and vegetables reduces cancer rates. If you don't like the chemical products of companies like Dow or Monsanto, don't buy by using substitutes instead.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Consider: ''Did DuPont Knowingly Poison Our Water?''(and air):

Please watch that and I think that you will then get elf's point better.

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Of course, Russia Today tells the Truth sometimes. The idea is to have durable materials that cannot be destroyed so we keep C8 in our bodies for up to 25 years. Cancers are just side effects. Corporate solution to pollution is dilution. If it costs too much to dispose of properly, leak it onto the New Jersey Turnpike overnight (my nose worked before GPS!), or pour it into the Ohio River, so the MBAs' spreadsheets' bottomline profits may come true. High dilution means that "proof beyond reasonable doubts" is unlikely. Slash the budget of the EPA so nobody has the money to go after the criminals. American turkeys vote for good stuffings up their most important organ.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Consider that RT-America's TV programs are made in America ... for Americans .. by Americans! Its range of shows and documentaries, are second to none. I'll particularly recommend Thom Hartmann's ''The Big Picture'' show, to aid ''Turkeys NOT to vote for Thanksgiving''!! Please consider the following:

et veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

"who are these great non contributors of society concocting deadly chemicals and birth defects in their labs all day?" Mostly industrial chemists and biochemists.

"Are they burning the world on purpose?" Very unlikely, it is because they get blamed, too, if things go horribly wrong. However, it may take years or decades for epidemiological evidence to accumulate and by that time, responsibilities have diffused or simply become unaccountable.

"Are they still sore they were bullied or treated like geeks?" Ask them directly. I am not one of them although I have followed their doings over many decades and I try to understand all food labels completely - what chemicals are used and WHY they are used.

"These dow scientists...and their ilk...creating weapons, chemicals, and cancer....do they go home and sleep softly basking in revenge on the human race..." I doubt that they do that.

"or are they blissful in their single minded idiot brains that have the unfortunate "gift" only to do math?" Math is not an absolute prerequiste for their activities. Math can help but they need to know chemistry.

The issue is often the desires of people fed through the profit filter of management to them and things go awry.

I am wary of anything labeled as indestructible, permanent, non-flammable, long-enduring, fire-proofing, long shell-life, etc. I am wary of asbestos - it does not decompose once lodged in the lungs and is sharp as microscopic glass blades that can cut apart cells. Glass fibers are similarly suspect. I am wary of radionuclides that came from nuclear weapons' testings and nuclear reactor fuels. Yes, damn all countries with nuclear weapons or working on them. My country, the U.S.A. is either number one or two on this dubious list. The idiotic Soviet Union might have "won" by detonating in the ATMOSPHERE we breathe, the 50-megaton compactive nuclear bomb. Damn, damn, damn! ;)

Yes, indeed, future archaeologists can radioactive-date my bones with tritium dating because I am a Bomb-child of the Anthropocene!

Take the case of trans fatty acid as opposed to the monounsaturated fatty acid in olive oil as an example. Trans fat does not go rancid easily and has very long shell life for maximizing profits and avoiding rotting in people's homes (and most horribly their bodies!). I believe that life is (electric fire burning slowly in water) a process, not an object, and we ARE far-removed cousins of the germs (yes, E. coli and yeasts are my relatives and friends) so if they break their teeth in eating trans fat, we should not eat it, either.

On the other hand, there was ample historical and epidemiological evidence that olive oil was benign. There was ancient Roman shipwreck with huge number of swayable clay vessels for holding olive oil and the Mediterranean peoples have lower rates of coronary diseases despite their gulping cups of olive oil (Remember our war on fats? Well, now we ARE fat because we were too simple-minded to know that not all fats are bad) and working strenuously away the calories. Beware of the lubricating property of olive oil, though, unless you live with high-capacity porty potty.

What causes cancers is often far beyond the understanding of these industrial chemists and biochemists. For the record, Richard Nixon declared war on cancer in the 1970s, forty-some years ago. Only very recently have we started having the tools to understand cancers at the molecular/genomic level so the chemists had really been playing Amerikanisches roulette with the lives of our people. The FDA was tasked to prevent that but it, with its default position, approved almost every chemical that did not have evident deleterious effects so it was culpable alright. On this multi-chemical poisoning of people, the U.S.A. is probably number one because of the sheer number and volume of new chemicals approved and used every year. Yay! Soviets, move aside!

A central concept in organic chemistry is the functional group so having the FDA banning deleterious chemicals based on the configuration of functional groups makes eminent sense. Be inquistive (organic chemistry knowledge applied to the foods we eat can save our lives from sufferings!) and heed epidemiological data (such as from migrant populations in new cultural contexts [a reason why health monitoring and care of refugees can really pay off]).