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Forum Post: What I know for sure

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 7, 2011, 3:17 p.m. EST by ithink (761) from York, PA
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Capitalism and the move towards a "free market" is not immoral, it is amoral. It simply does not take into account ethical matters. It is not evil. It is unbalanced, partitioned, not whole. In practice, it is unsustainable. We need a new way to look at our world and how we relate to it. This I know for sure.

A free market will eventually self destruct. I don't think anyone would be surprised if it all collapsed tomorrow. Would it honestly shock you? It would not shock me. This I know for sure.

I do not know what is ahead, but I am thankful for each and every person who speaks or acts out of this profound realization that we need to move our world in a different direction. To turn a huge ship around requires a long succession of very small movements. Each and every action performed or word that is uttered, no matter how small it seems at the time, does make a difference. You ARE making a difference! This I know for sure.

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[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13719) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Thanks for the reassurance.

Seriously.

Even though someone just informed me that I was completely arrogant, and if that is true I probably need no such reassurance, never the less, I find it . . . .

comforting.

Like a snug blanket before a warm fire while outside the wind howls . . .

[-] 1 points by libertarianincle (312) from Cleveland, OH 2 years ago

Where is this "free market" you speak of?

[-] 1 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 2 years ago

What I am speaking of is the "movement towards" a free market. I imagine the "free market" concept is a bit like the statistical MU. You can get infinitely closer, but never actually be there.

[-] 1 points by libertarianincle (312) from Cleveland, OH 2 years ago

We have steadily been moving AWAY from a Free market for the last 100+ years, not towards.

[-] 0 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 2 years ago

Is it not common knowledge that we have been steadily deregulating for the past 30 years?

[-] 1 points by libertarianincle (312) from Cleveland, OH 2 years ago

I love how people think "deregulation" = free market. And no...that is not common knowledge. We move toward deregulation and then form a tighter bond between lobbyists and their government counterparts. While there may be "less" regulations, the regulations that are in place are designed to limit competition and only favor the largest corporations. That is NOT a free market.

[-] 1 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 2 years ago

ah, it is quite possible I have my definitions mixed up. Yes, I thought deregulation = free market. If we have not been moving towards a free market, than what are we moving towards? Oligarchy?

[-] 1 points by libertarianincle (312) from Cleveland, OH 2 years ago

I would argue we are moving toward plutarchy or even fascism. Here are some articles that discuss both: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy http://mises.org/daily/5752

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 2 years ago

The shit is airborne and definitively heading for the fan.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 2 years ago

And how do you make sure that everyone on board WANTS the ship to turn around and is working towards that same goal?

[-] 2 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 2 years ago

Oh, I cannot make sure of this at all. And, I would not want to. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What I wanted to get across is that every action, no matter how small, can have meaningful consequences.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 2 years ago

All the people on the boat can be standing and shouting that the boat needs to change direction because it is headed towards a cliff-but if enough of them do not ACT in time, and in ways that specifically HALTS the forward movement of the boat completely, then the end result is exactly the same.