Forum Post: What Happened Today
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 6:31 p.m. EST by lolwth
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Your first attempts to bring down our way of life were prevented today with force, as it should have been. We should have got the national guard to take all of you freeloading scum and throw you into a third world country and then you may finally appreciate how good you really have it here. Do you know what the main difference is between the hardworking executives, managers, and CEOs compared to you? Its one simple thing; THEY WANT TO BE THE BEST THEY CAN BE! Can you say you put in 16 hour days,initially sacrificed having a better social life in order to reach your full potential, or even worked for anything your entire life? Of course you didn't do any of these things, you have this wild view of the world and you think that everyone owes you degenerate parasites something when all you do is leech from society and the hardworking people of America. Just because you are lazy and don't want a better life does not mean that people who are capable of providing a great lifestyle for themselves should not be entitled to have it. This state is already in enough of a financial crisis we do not need you ignorant fools costing us more money from more police offer shifts or the cost of cleaning up the park you so blatantly defiled. If you want to have money, be happy, and feel safe, than do something that is useful to society instead of blaming everyone else for your problems. Its not the corporations fault that your intelligence, logic, and problem solving skills are equivalent to those of a 13 year old. And before you think that I am some person making $150,000 a year and "threatened" by you, think again. I am just a college student that wants to make something of himself one day. All of you parasites of society who actually believe in this ridiculous movement need to step back and look at the situation again. Is it the corporations fault that you chose the wrong paths in life? Is it their fault you have no ambition or drive? Is it their fault you cant support yourself because you've never known what its been like to really want something? I think not. So stop thinking that the hard working individuals of this country need to be punished and give in to your ridiculous, society diminishing demands because they made the right choices and had the determination to fulfill their dreams.
Let me start off by saying that I am also a college student, about to graduate in January. I do agree with much that you've said here but it is difficult for me to believe that all 30,000+ protestors of OWS did not want to be the best they can be. All those people didn't just sit around at home bored of life at a dead-end job and then suddenly this protest begins and now they want to complain and blame their crappy lives on the 1%. These people I'm sure were/are just like you and me- former college students with degrees but who've been having a really difficult time finding a decent well paying job. There is so much more to this than you are generalizing here. I want to make something of myself one day as well but I know I will run into some hard times but I'll keep trucking through and hopefully I will make something of myself one day. You don't know if they made the right choices to fulfill their dreams, what is "right"--these "hard working people" at the top aren't the only hard working people. I don't think we should be fighting Wall Street or the big guys at all personally I think it's silly because what are they going to do? They can't change any laws or do anything. Government can change things. That's whose attention we should be going after. In the end we don't know exactly what is going on with the "1%" and government. I just don't think you should generalize and round up every single one of those people as freeloading scum who don't have determination to fulfill their dreams. For you to feel this way I'm sure you and your family are financially well off, and I hope that you never have to experience what some of these folks have.
I agree with some of what you are saying, mostly how government can change what has to be changed, but that's another topic entirely. As for what you said, "All those people didn't just sit around at home bored of life at a dead-end job and then suddenly this protest begins and now they want to complain and blame their crappy lives on the 1%.These people I'm sure were/are just like you and me- former college students with degrees but who've been having a really difficult time finding a decent well paying job." Look at it this way, if people desperately need a job, they can make sacrifices and work at an entry level job in order to provide for themselves. Sure, their standard of living will be low but everyone starts somewhere. It's not organizations fault that they do not want to hire a college graduate for a job that is usually reserved for a person with years of experience on the job. This is what experience is for, that dirty word to all college graduates. You have to start somewhere to get to where you want to be. If people are down there complaining that their lives are so bad, then guess what, it's because they are making them bad by participating in foolish endeavors such as OWS. And as for making the "right" choices, how many people are in college right now are getting high, drunk, or just wasting time and not caring what assignment gets done. It may not be an overwhelming majority but it's a lot more than what it should be. And its because since they are not paying for school, why should they care about the money being spent on it, its just from Mom and Dad. I also agree that there are many other hard working people besides people on top. But, because some people, whether by skill, luck, or innovation, get to a better position, does not mean they should have to give up what they have because someone else wasn't as "fortunate". And im sorry if you do not want to hear this but yes, people who are moronic enough to indulge themselves in things as meaningless and ridiculous as "OWS", either do not have the determination to fulfill their dreams or they do not have the intellectual capacity to logically see what they need to do to accomplish them.
Also, you say i should not assume yet you made the assumption that I am financially well off. Well in this instance you are wrong. I worked during my first two years of college and have loans for my four year school. I was fortunate to have a small amount of help form my parents from my first school, but they don't have to nor should they have to pay for my schooling. This is what i have chosen to do, and i will get it done with or without help. If you want something bad enough, you will go and WORK for it, not whine and complain that your entitled to it.
You need to retake freshman comp, sweetie.
So instead of trying to actually say something about the issue at hand you attack my writing skills? What, did I leave a comma out somewhere, that means the entire thing is invalid? Like i posted to the fool gnomunny, why don't you actually post something pertaining to the conversation at hand? Is it because your problem solving skills are equivalent to that of a six year old or is it the simple fact your just a moron? So why don't you come up with an original thought and share it instead of trying to make yourself look like an intelligent person.
Throw us into a third world country? I think we're already there.
I fell like that at times ....but whose the top role model country now?
What a totally ridiculous statement. You wouldn't last five minutes in Mexico or Columbia.
Well, professional economists have made that ridiculous statement too. Mexico or Columbia, there are parts of those countries that are A OK and then there are parts of those countries where you would probably get killed. Sort of like the US. Have you been to the ghettos in Baltimore lately? I grew up in Brooklyn in the 60's around neighborhoods where you wouldn't last five minutes.
pal. You are fooling yourself if you think America is a third world nation. The medium poverty line in the United States is $487 a week. In real impoverished nations, that average is around $87.
I've seen how tough the yankees are. When they move down here, they are the first to start crying when a tornado approaches. Stop pretending the U.S. is just another country in the World. It's people like yourself that are in desperate need of a reality sandwich.
Jesus, check your statistics, will you. If you think the median poverty line is 487/week you should check in with the folks in Appalachia and ask them what they think.
Like OWS gives two shits about Appalachia. When has OWS even mentioned this region as part of their feed the poor campaign?
OWS is trying to represent the underrepresented so among the poorest of the poor Appalachia is logically in there. A more interesting question would be to ask why the local governments responsible haven't taken care of the poverty in Appalachia and the answer to that is that they are worthless constituents to the politicians, same goes for urban ghettos. The poor have no government representation.
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Yes, I've lived there too.
Don't be so dramatic and don't even fucking compare your situation to genocide, AIDS epidemics and starvation.
I guess you haven't visited the ghetto lately.
Nope. I guess you haven't been to Darfur though either.
You sound too dramatic... opinions are like assholes everybody is one .ooops I mean haves one.
We're the richest country in the world and you said that we're a third world country.
You had an opinion. I had facts.
""" I FEEL IT"""" not to say any other
It's a good thing we don't make decisions for the commonwealth based on your feelings then.
When it comes to democracy and economics, what you feel doesn't mean shit.
that sounds like a biased opinion ....but if you felt something wasn't right but you was totally sure,but everyone else say otherwise who would you believe them or yourself.
Well that entirely depends on the situation.
Economic policy and your feelings, or anyone else's for that matter, should not mix.
Its like discussing sanity with an insane person...you are not worth our time. The sad part is that people like you get elected to public office, read some Orwell sweety and then you might start to comprehend how wrong you are. I don't want you to think I am putting you down, I am truly sorry for your ignorance. Get an education and come back when your worthy of an adult discussion.
So your version of being sane is allowing morons in New York in to harm police officers and destroy the parks? I can see how an ignorant fool like you would come to this conclusion. When you have something to say that is actually well thought out, please post something. Until then, be thankful that hardworking people are still able to pay your welfare checks. Thank you for your very constructive post that accomplished nothing.
So many fallacies...
Yes I can say that I have put in sixteen hour days I have a computer log everything I do in my truck. I have proof. Plus my eight years in the marine corps. My 3.92 gpa in college.. My teaching awards for when I taught and then my layoff papers. I have no chance of being rich. And I don't want to be. And I am more then happy to let the rich be wealthy. What I don't like is corruption and theft. I have worked as hard as anyone on this planet. Grew up with nothing.
I really don't care about a CEO's work ethic, what I care about is that somewhere along the line that CEO became twisted into thinking it's ethical to rob the American middle class blind. That unethical portion of their work ethic is what I'm pissed about.
You fail at logic.
Work isn't the issue it's collusion, and a government owned by corporations that do not give a shit about the country it's citizens or the environment.
Sure some of the se CEOs work hard, some may even be honest and care for their fellow man.
So what?
To hear you rant everyone could be a billionaire if we just worked 16 hours a day.
I ask you sir, why aren't you a billionaire then, and if not, why aren't you working harder then?
Well, where to start, Mr. Logic. Every person in the United States has the ABILITY to make a substantial amount of money. The big question is, why doesn't everyone? Well the answer is very simple, people do not want to work for it. They want an easy job, with little to no responsibility, and expect to get paid $100,000 a year. Do you have any idea what people like CEO's and executives have to sacrifice in order to be in that position? Things such as no social lives, long hours in the workplace everyday, and an overall need for achievement is what puts them on top. How many people in the U.S are willing to give up those things in order to pursue the highest paying jobs, not a lot of them. And i am not going to lie, i do want to be a billionaire. But, I do not want to give all of those things up just for money, life is more important than bringing home a twenty million dollar bonus. I am competent enough, however, to realize that if i want to have a good life and a high income, i have to sacrifice a little now in order to secure my future. Just because some people have a different view than mine is ok, it doesn't make them evil because they want more money. That is why many people are not cut out to be in a high position of leadership, they either cannot do the job because of a low intellect, or they do not want to sacrifice all the time spent for just money. Just because you feel that your entitled to everything in life does not make it so.So please, like ive said to so many before you, please post something relevant to the topic. I know it is hard for someone such as yourself to come up with an original thought but it is possible.
Oh ok, you are one of those people that believe that work is a necessary and sufficient condition for becoming rich.
Most intelligent people who have had a bit of experience with life understand that it is only a necessary condition.
I won't argue with you any further because your premises are clearly not in alignment with reality.
The other feeling I get when I read your posts is that you are arguing with a straw man, not with the actual OWS portesters, many of whom have full time jobs.
Just because OWS makes you uncomfortable does not mean you have to convert your negative emotional reaction into poorly formed rationalisations, just sayin.
Have a nice day.
That's exactly right! I studied for/recieved multiple degrees and built years of expertise and work credibility because I really wanted to be laid off - several times - and get only temp work. I applied for over 250 jobs in the past year because I am SO lazy and underqualified for internships through supervision. I continued my own education at my own expense because I want to be the worst that I can be.
Oh, never mind. You are obviously trolling. Note: intelligent people with drive work to educate themselves, identify real issues, and work to coordinate and solve them. I can see from your polished, educated, well-reasoned, and exceptionally rational and balanced way of responding to the world around you that you will be a bog problem solver.
(shakes head sadly)
Im going to keep this very short. You can build up all the credibility you want, but if your a moron your going to get laid off, like you have been. Do not blame me for your shortcomings as an individual who thinks that education by itself guarantees a job, it doesn't. You have to have common sense to hold a job, and i can see you have none.
Imagine if all the protesters in all the cities used their drum banging energy to hammer nails to build homes for the poor through Habitat for Humanity.
Imagine if 30,000 people spent the weekend doing that. Imagine if they spent two months doing it!
Wouldn't something like that be nice Joe? But alas, these parasites are only in it for themselves and do not care about who they hurt along their way.
Well said friend. You hit the nail on the head.
yes What DID happen today?
I was hoping to see some more pepper sprayings :(
BORING
I would love to see more of that as well.
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"I am just a college student" - You don't know the life yet.
It is possible to get a job and live not a bad life, but only by the means of steeping over, lying and scamming others.
By your statement you say that because individuals work hard and progress in the world they are considered evil and manipulative. Just because people achieve more than you, that does not mean they are lying and scamming. Every society has its fill of corruption and it will always be that way, regardless of anything we implement to stop that. It's the nature of human beings to protect themselves and do what is in their best interest. In this case, the "OWS" movement is doing what is best for them. Them, or you, want to sit around and get paid a lot for doing little. This is not how the world works nor how it should work. Our society is built like this to bring about new innovation and new ideas in the hopes that one day we can be on top, look down at the world, and say "My life made a difference". Do not confuse "steeping over, lying and scamming others" with making a name for yourself. Do something useful and quit blaming people for your shortcomings.
I'm 53 years old and have worked most of my life. When I was your age I was working as a commercial roofer often putting in 11 or 12 hours a day in the middle of summer. Roofers, you know, those guys that work with hot tar melted in kettles at 600 degrees then mopped on the roof? I've seen full grown men that walked off that job at noon because they couldn't take it. I lasted 14 years before moving on to other things. I'll tell you what; do THAT for one summer, then come on this site and tell me I'm a spoiled, lazy degenerate parasite. You're just another clueless idiot. FUCK YOU college boy.
Yes, i know how bad it is to do roofs, i have not tarred them but i've been on them for long amounts of time doing shingle work. I'm sorry your angry because you decided to work right out of high school. Since you did not learn construction well enough they most likely had you on the roofs as their least valued employee because we all know the younger guys are more suited to be on the roof. Don't get angry at me because a low skilled job pays little. This is why you become skilled and get promoted to foreman. But, apparently you lacked either the leadership skills or construction skills to advance yourself anymore in the company. And thank you, im going to college so i can become an educated individual and not have to work on roofs. I know a lot of very good people in construction, and they all got promoted within a 5 year period because they were good at what they did. The fact you've spent 14 years doing it just proves you are an ignorant man who does not want much for himself and therefore expects others to give you what you do not have.
Well said!!!!
To all of the sane individuals reading this thank you for your support. To the people who disagree with some things i say and actually post something relevant to say, thank you for at least getting a discussion going. To everyone who is posting random stuff and/or insults trying to make yourself feel better....well there's not much i can say besides im sorry you have the intelligence and logic skills of a child. If you support OWS there is not to much hope for you to really be a valuable part of society.
Jesus, how old are you?
When speaking the truth about a subject why does age matter? Are you one of the people who think that just because your young, it means your ideas are false? Just because someone is young does not mean they are complete morons, even though that's becoming more and more of the case.
Your ideas are not false just because you're young. Ideas get better with age and having experienced life a little bit longer, that's all.
Thats like saying in order to have a good idea you have to be old, im sorry but that does not make any sense.
I forgot to add in my last post, a great story about a 13 year old boy who just came up with one of the greatest ideas to hit the solar industry, you can see it on CNN, he's a genius.
You should stop thinking in such absolute terms and try being more flexible. Everybody is capable of having a good idea whether young or old, what I'm saying is the more real life experiences people have to draw on in creating new thoughts, the better. How about an analogy, there are some colleges that give older people taking courses credit for life experiences to go toward the degree they are trying to attain. Very sensible.
I was promoted to foreman at a union company making $25 an hour with full benefits in the mid to late '80's. That translates to $50 an hour nowadays. I own my own home. My decision to move on to other things was to start my own construction company. You're still too young to know about the real world. You don't know me so don't presume to know my situation. I'm not complaining, I've had a decent, fun life. I'm retired at 53. My complaint is with you're know-it-all, better than us attitude. OWS is about fixing a broken system and that's why I'm here, not about wanting handouts. You need to quit showing your ignorance and just shut the fuck up.
I would be inclined to believe you if you would have incorporated this information in your earlier discussion. But, as it is now, you are just being defensive and trying to justify an argument that you lost as soon as you posted. It's amazing you keep trying to focus in on age as well. If your post is so clear and thought out, why should age matter? Are you trying to convince people that since im young and your older your flawed thinking is better than my thought out logic? Whether what you posted was true or not, thats not relevant here. What is relevant is you acting like you know whats going on, both with our economic situation and with myself. Just because you think a system that doesn't embrace all of yours values is good doesn't mean it should go away. Also, who do you think hired you at your union, A COMPANY. It was not founded by a group of people who one day decided to have some people sacrifice more than others so everyone can get paid the same. In addition,your logic basically states that we should change our capitalist society to a socialist society and call it good? This is just showing how ignorant you really are. Also, your talking about a "better than us attitude", are you saying that because since i'm using logic to look at a problem im some sort of instigator trying to cause trouble? Unlike you im not here to act like an ignorant individual and swear because it makes me feel like more of a man, its about showing people how moronic OWS is. Now if you have something actually relevant to say to the discussion, feel free to post it, its good to get ideas out. Maybe about how the system is broken and what to do about it. But as it is now, your just showing how much of an ignorant individual you are by thinking that talking about yourself and not having any solutions is somehow relevant to the topic at hand.
There is no logic in your posts. It's a rant insulting people you know nothing about. You call OWSers, and I quote, 'freeloading scum, degenerate parasites, leeches, lazy ignorant fools, possess the intelligence and logic of 13 year-olds, no ambition, can't support ourselves, morons, indulgent, and lacking intellectual capacity.' More insults than I've seen in dozens of posts combined. None of these insults describes me. Since when is insulting people 'logic?' Your words show you have no clue about what OWS stands for, maybe you get your info from MSM. I would suggest doing more research other than how the news portrays the crowd at Zuccotti Park, there's much more to this movement. Believe it or not most of us are trying to fix what's broken with this country. If you think there's nothing wrong in the USA you are truly clueless. You strike me as being arrogant. Insults are for simpletons. Now quit wasting my time. You probably have better things to do anyhow, like feeling superior.
Ok well i do not know how much more i have to prove my case. First off, if your going to quote me, quote a sentence, quoting words adds nothing to your case, especially when you fail to build on it with an argument from yourself. Second, i never once said insulting people was logic, your ignorant mind just came to that conclusion because you assumed that what i said was an argument, as it was a statement. Any rational person knows that OWS is one of the worst things to ever happen to America. And i would like to know what this "MSM" is, if your as intelligent as you say you are you should be able to give me an answer. And you say your trying to fix this country? How is that? By blocking hard working people from getting to work, assaulting police officers, causing traffic delays, ruining parks? I fail to see how this is helping the situation at all. Now once again i will say, if you have an IDEA, post it. The only thing you have managed to do is throw out insults that have no logic behind them. You are just attempting to insult things you obviously do not understand. If you think that OWS is helping America i feel very sorry for you, you are truly an ignorant man. And once again, if my logic is so flawed, then why do you keep saying ridiculous things such as "Now Quit wasting my time". How am i wasting your time, no one forced your to post, you are just trying to justify your moronic opinions with no support to back it up. And as for your closing sentence, i once again would love an actual thought coming from you, not a pathetic attempt at insulting me. I guess being as ignorant as you are you have to resort to these methods in order to try to get your point across, no matter how ridiculous it is. I will close with something i said in the last post, if you know what is going on then lets hear some solutions, even ideas, to solve the problem.And how OWS is benefiting America now? Maybe you can actually give us an idea and not insults plastered across your post?
I'd like to jump in here to say that OWS is reviving civic participation, something that has been absent from the American scene for many years which is why we have the crooked politicians that we have in office.
Civic participation is very important, yes, but why are we attacking businesses? You just talked about crooked politicians, so why aren't we protesting at the white house or congress? The entire movement has no logic behind it. People saw a culprit and chose to dump frustrations on people who do not deserve it,for the most part. As i said in a post before yes, there are corrupt people in business. But, no matter what we do, we will not stop corruption entirely and this is a ridiculous way to try and get a point across, whatever that point may be besides give me money for doing nothing.
It's true we will never get rid of corruption completely but we can certainly put a structure in place to minimize it as much as possible. The protests on wall st. are a reasonable reaction to the criminality of the too big to fail banks. While the politicians deregulated banks on the premise that they could be trusted to use capital responsibly to grow business, they were wrong. Keep in the mind that bailouts continue to this day except they are backdoor bailouts made that way so that it doesn't get everybody's attention.
I agree we should have a structure in place to minimize the amount of corruption. But this is the wrong way to go about putting that structure in place. Everything you mentioned is all GOVERNMENT related, not business. OWS needs to get out of wall street, rethink their entire agenda, and go protest the core cause of this issue. The entire OWS movement was not planned out in any way, shape, or form, and its hurting people far far more than its helping them.
The big banks are participating in shadow banking , unregulated, and doing business in a 600 trillion dollar credit default swap market which is bringing down european governments right now as we speak. Once that happens we're next. This is not our government at work, this is private business. The out of control bankers and hedge funds and brokers are destroying the global economy, that's a fact. The government run SEC is supposed to be the cop on wall st. but they are asleep at the switch or they are in on the biggest looting enterprise the world has ever seen. So far the government has done nothing meaningful to correct this problem. This is why people are protesting, they are trying to get people to focus on what the problem really is. The media protrays them as scattered but that's what the media wants you to believe because they are the 1%. If the government doesn't stop these criminal bankers, who will?
But you just said the SEC is suppose to be the cop. If the government has not done anything meaningful to rectify this problem than why are we still focusing on the financial institutions? If the organizations do not care about what the government thinks they will not pay any attention to people in the street. They will just ignore it and continue their practices. If something is wrong the government has to address it, and since the pressure is in the wrong place it will not change anything.
I do not know why i cant respond to your post below so i will do it here. I understand where your coming from, that is actually a very good point. But it still will not directly affect the problem. The politicians will just pass the buck and claim that it is not their fault and that's why the protesters were at wall street and not Washington. I think there are many different ways to approach this, including moving the protest to Washington. The only way to make a real impact is to attack the problem head on. Any problem that is not attacked head on will just be spun, whether by the media or a politician, into something it is not suppose to be
This may seem like a backwards way of dealing with this problem but I think we have to show the government we are on to the wheeling and dealing of these criminal bankers. The bigger the protest is against the bankers, the more afraid the politicians will be about the blowback from their incompetence to deal with the bankers. It's not a straight forward way to deal with this problem but it seems like the only option at this point.
MSM - Main Stream Media(FOX, CNN, New York Post, ...), and it look like that's the source of all you misunderstanding.
You expecting that you just ask general question and everyone will just start spoon-feeding you everything? Do your own research. Watch OWS videos. Watch videos of related movements. Read the forum and respond to appropriate threads. OWS "can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it."
So now you have went from a disgruntled individual to someone who is trying to recruit me into your insane system? I can see that you have a very stable mind and stay focused. Its not even worth my time to post back to you after this one because odds are next you will go off topic and start to talk about something else not relevant to the topic at hand. And when did i say anytime i wanted someone to "spoon feed me everything"? I was simply asking you, since you are apparently such a clever and intelligent individual, maybe you would have some ideas on what to do about the issues i spoke of above. But, as i suspected, you are avoiding the issue and trying to salvage what is left of your ridiculous argument. And thank you for quoting a movie as well, it adds a lot to your posts and just proves my point that you cannot think for yourself.
Not true at all.
Amen to that!
well said.