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Forum Post: What happened to the Dogs?

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 21, 2012, 7:55 p.m. EST by ZenDog (13497) from South Burlington, VT
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Military suicides occur with disturbing regularity, and the military seems all but powerless to stop it. Yet there is one program that does seem to offer some slender thread of hope.

Service dogs have been trained to respond to fear or panic, and CBS news reports at least one instance of successful intervention, by a canine:

"I was just basically sitting on the couch playing Russian Roulette with it," said Bandrowsky, "and right before I pulled the trigger to take my life, he jumped up on me and knocked the gun out of my hand. And I believe 100 percent that he saved my life."

Dogs have been provided free of charge by trainers, and some of those involved in the program report positive results in only two weeks after dog placement.

At last you say - a program that may hold promise.

Not so fast.

As of January, the military instituted new rules. Now it seems dog placement has come to a halt at four military bases, and even some current placements may be at risk.

CBS reports:

Fort Bliss's commander concluded that service dogs should now be a "treatment of last resort."

The television spot interviewed one soldier who was on significant amounts of medication for symptomology that continued unabated - until he received one of these service animals.

So now I wanna know -

what are the odds that this change in policy is the result of pressure from the pharmaceutical industry?

the bastards ought to be shot.

.

and you can tweet that shit

.

z

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[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I know a great way to help end military suicides

BRING THE TROOPS HOME

END THE WARS

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13497) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

most of them have already served multiple deployments. Simply bringing them home is no solution. We need to have functional interventions in place when they arrive.

We need functional interventions for those who are here, now.

We need functional interventions.

That's not too difficult to understand, is it?

We seem to have a functional solution - and it is being shut down.

That's not too difficult to grasp, is it?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

The highest suicide numbers listed are of active duty soldiers.

But yeah I'm all for anything that helps troops that are no longer serving.

But if the wars are a stem of the problem... ending them is the best first step to take. Then the tax dollars going to the wars could instead go into funding the programs you're talking about. That's not too difficult to understand is it?

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13497) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

tax dollars . . . you are talking tax dollars . . .

<ahem>

kay.

thus far the dogs in question have been provided FOR FREE.

Sure, yes, we bring the troops home, we save money.

We fire a few generals

  • we may save some lives.
[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Only fire a few? What about the commander in chief?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13497) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

you want to make it political?

we already have a get out the vote campaign

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

it's not political. It's an important point. The shit can end when the majority of people want it to end. Above generals is the commander in chief. Solve the problems at the root.

This goes for "both sides."

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

know your dog and know yourself

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

When our troops come home, our government and too many people tell them they did a good thing. How many times have you heard that worn line "thank you for your service to our country." Yeh, yeh, but it hurts the inside when one knows deep down one helped with doing the worst of the worst ..... Contradictions in the mind haunt. Many can't take it, and that in my opinion is the true source of PSTD... that tearing in the mind which when intense enough can lead to suicide.

May our men and women in uniform who suffer these things take solace in realizing that the mental anguish they suffer only means they are good people for only psychos would feel nothing. ...and should one come to the understanding that the contradictions which were created are beyond one's personnel control. One has to get away from that patriotic bullshit in order to realize the truth. There is both good and evil in this land, and one often has to dance with the devil.. and should one not find a way out of the dance, at least the mental contradictions can evaporate, and the pain goes away.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34898) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

tweeted.

People need to take a look a very close look at the fact that our people in the military are taking their own lives.

This has got to be taken care of properly - our service people need our help and proper support from our country.

Why are so many service people taking their own lives???

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13497) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

thanks

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34898) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

We have got to heal this sick society - and it is gonna take every one shining a light onto all of the ills. Thank you for championing this issue - here.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13497) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

where is everyone else.

where are all of them righties . . .

this should be an issue everyone can agree on.

Or perhaps not.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34898) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That is why the attackers are not on the thread - they can't attack it - and they won't support something you brought forward.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

my dog helps me socialize

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (13497) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Here - use copy/paste - and here is a url: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm

.

Dear Sir,

What follows is the text of a forum post, one that you will find here:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-happened-to-the-dogs/

I send it to you today in light of your support for Veterans throughout the course of your career.

The text is as follows:

Military suicides occur with disturbing regularity (http://nation.time.com/2012/08/16/grim-record-soldier-suicides-reach-new-high/), and the military seems all but powerless to stop it. Yet there is one program that does seem to offer some slender thread of hope.

Service dogs have been trained to respond to fear or panic, and CBS news reports at least one instance of successful intervention, by a canine:

"I was just basically sitting on the couch playing Russian Roulette with it," said Bandrowsky, "and right before I pulled the trigger to take my life, he jumped up on me and knocked the gun out of my hand. And I believe 100 percent that he saved my life."(http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57497716/mans-best-friend-is-a-lifesaver-to-soldiers/)

Dogs have been provided free of charge by trainers, and some of those involved in the program report positive results in only two weeks after dog placement.

At last you say - a program that may hold promise.

Not so fast.

As of January, the military instituted new rules. Now it seems dog placement has come to a halt at four military bases, and even some current placements may be at risk.

CBS reports:

Fort Bliss's commander concluded that service dogs should now be a "treatment of last resort."(http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57497716/mans-best-friend-is-a-lifesaver-to-soldiers/)

The television spot interviewed one soldier who was on significant amounts of medication for symptomology that continued unabated - until he received one of these service animals.

So now I wanna know -

what are the odds that this change in policy is the result of pressure from the pharmaceutical industry?

the bastards ought to be shot.

.

and you can tweet that shit

.

z

That is the complete text, sir. A distant cousin of mine returned from service in our war on terror. He became a military statistic. He cannot now avail himself of this promising program. Others can, but only if we act.

I'll be passing this email around, hoping others encourage their own legislators to stand up.

Most sincerely and respectfully yours,

D. Winter

http://zendogblog.net

[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 1 year ago

On or about the summer of 1980, a Staff Sgt took three hostages at a military banking facility. Weapon in hand, the promise of a big silverbird "back to the world," in tow - -so he could see his girl - - he exited the building, shielded by these civilians. He made it to the second step - sharpshooters, three rounds to the head, just another statistic. You didn't read about this one in the papers, you won't find it anywhere online, there are a thousand other statistics you will never even hear of. Suicide is a regular occurrence in the peace time army, too. I know, because I was there.

Life is rough on the plains... but it's even rougher when your knee deep in the muck and the mud and the blood, and I'm quite certain Bliss is aware of this. ADA all the way, babeee!

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13497) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

but it's even rougher when your knee deep in the muck

Is it? I've never served, so I wouldn't know. I would imagine that at least, when you are knee deep at least you have the guy next to you . . .

Once you get home, that's it. You're on your own.

I imagine that's kinda rough - in its own way.

I'm sure not everyone deals with the memories, and the triggers, in the same way.

The kids volunteered. No one knows what a meat grinder is like until they've been in one. I imagine each one looks different - I dunno. What I do know is that we've known since at least WWI that war had / has a significant impact on the mind.

I'm sure suicide has been common both during and after each conflict we've ever fought.

Now there appears to be a potential solution? And some guy with brass on his lapel wants to shoot it down . . .

I think he's lost sight of the needs of those under him - whatever qualifications he may have had.

And if it does turn out any collusion between the pharmaceutical industry and military brass has taken place - in an effort to ensure medication remains the treatment of choice - then like I said -

those fuckers should be shot.

I don't know what ADA all the way means. Perhaps you are referring to the Americans with Disabilities Act. Perhaps you are mocking the whole post.

I guess if that's the correct interpretation then you are entitled to it. Doesn't make you right. And it certainly won't earn you any respect in my eyes.

Then again . . . you are the painter.

[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 1 year ago

No, I'm referring to the Air Defense Artillery... and that's what Bliss is, it's the center and primary training grounds of the ADA.

The ADA has posts all over the world; I was at the bank. And this is but one occurrence of several...

There is no way your buddies, especially under harsh conditions, can compensate for separation anxiety... from loved ones.

And good people die.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13497) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

got it. And please - feel free to ignore me anytime.