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Forum Post: What does OWS want and what will it take to end protest

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 15, 2011, 12:14 p.m. EST by bre0001 (50) from Brooklyn, NY
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Do they have demands? What is it going to take for this protest to end. Do they want money? Do they want jobs? What? What will it take to end this or will it just go on forever?

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[-] 2 points by Amanita76 (88) from New Haven, CT 12 years ago
  1. Eliminate Corporate Personhood - corporations are not people, they shouldn't be able to give politicians money. MONEY IS NOT SPEECH.
  2. Stop Congress from participating in Insider Trading - Watch the recent report that will make you sick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95uC_wzUX4
  3. Get the money out of politics - End the gigantic stream of cash that floods Washington from corporations, unions, lobbyists and people alike. This drowns out the peoples voice. The worth of ideas that make its way into policy should not rely on the amount of money behind it but rather if it is good for America.(Pretty much taken care of by #1)

END CORPORATISM, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. You wont hear this on fox, msnbc, or other main stream outlets because they are corporations too. Turn off your television and realize your government has been bought out! We must bring representation back to the people!

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 12 years ago

Yep, I came here to learn about OWS. OWS was supposed to be about things I had an interest in. Now I am wondering how educated and indoctrinated I must be before they drop some whammy on me. I want to be supportive, now show me something I can get behind and support! Really, is that too much to ask? Please understand I wish to be supportive but I now have no idea what exactly I am supporting. I am wise enough not to follow people around and invest too must on faith and hope. People turning out for the protest gave me hope. Move Your Money gave me Hope. The need for encampments leaves me cold.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 12 years ago

One of the best things you could do is register to vote. Then educate yourself on the issues, find out how those in office have behaved (legislation they back or oppose) and whom has been backing them.

If at the local, state and federal level, your reps have been corrupt, or opposed personal freedoms, or enriched themselves, then VOTE THEM OUT.

Start in the primaries, and vote, then in the general election vote.

And find others to vote as well, those that stopped voting, those that never have.

But the key is self-education, not indoctrination. We need to throw off the indoctrination of the rep/dem machines that hide the corruption.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

this was lost in the white noise here, you may consider supporting this: https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 12 years ago

that is the goal of Restore Democracy working group Join us Nov 16 6PM 60 Wall http://bit.ly/vK2pGI

[-] 0 points by peoplepowr (14) 12 years ago

Here is some hope, the one thing the 1% understands is money so let`s get them where it will hurt the most. I am calling for a week long coordinated strike in all the cities being occupied. The lost revenue will amount to millions per city. We have power so lets use it and bring the cities to a standstill.

[-] 1 points by Apercentage (81) 12 years ago

Lol.

[-] 1 points by AMH (123) 12 years ago

They feel disenfranchised, in both money and the power to determine their own futures. They want control over their own lives again. They are tired of being forced to the sidelines in the decisions that affect them the most.

[-] 1 points by technoviking (484) 12 years ago

end the war on the world! veganism must be embraced by one and all!

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 12 years ago

The rights of the Individual upheld, and corporate personhood abolished.To bring those that perpetrated the largest fraud in world history prosecuted. For those in government that are guilty of corruption, graft, profiteering from their position-removed from office and jailed.

[-] 1 points by roscoesdad27 (106) from Aberdeen, MD 12 years ago

gut the Senate and house

[-] 1 points by raz (32) 12 years ago

Repealing Citizens United would be a great start, the protest have no chance of ending until that at the very least is done.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 12 years ago

that is exactly the goal of Restore Democracy working group Join us Nov 16 6PM 60 Wall We have a large number of great, well thought out, COMPLICATED ideas that will require a huge amount of "selling" and “explanation" and will garner GREAT OPPOSITION.
We need to be realistic & pick an issue that is simple – and that is popular -
that 83% of Americans already agree on -
that 76% of Republicans already agree on -
that 56% of TP already agree on -
that will bring together the people in OWS with the people outside of OWS.
Everybody wins!

Our only goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter Supreme Court decisions Citizens United (2010) & Buckley v. Valeo (1976), that enable unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system.
“Corporations and organizations are not a persons & have no personhood rights”
and
“money is not free speech”.

We don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve –
by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.


THE SUCCESS STORY OF THE AMENDING PROCESS The Prohibition movement started as a disjointed effort by conservative teetotalers who thought the consumption of alcohol was immoral. They ransacked saloons and garnered press coverage here and there for a few years. Then they began to gain support from the liberals because many considered alcohol partially responsible for spousal and child abuse, among other social ills. This odd alliance, after many years of failing to influence change consistently across jurisdictions, decided to concentrate on one issue nationally—a constitutional amendment. They pressured all politicians on every level to sign a pledge to support the amendment. Any who did not, they defeated easily at the ballot box since they controlled a huge number of liberal, and conservative and independent swing votes in every election. By being a single-issue constituency attacking from all sides of the political spectrum, they very quickly amassed enough votes (2/3) to pass the amendment in Congress. And, within just 17 months, they were successful in getting ¾ of the state legislatures to ratify the constitutional amendment into law. (Others were ratified even faster: Eight —took less than a year. The 26th, granting 18-year-olds the right to vote, took just 99 days.)


If they could tie the left and right into a success -
If Ohio won. If Arizona won. If Maine won. If Mississippi won - WHY CAN'T WE ??????????


I feel that we should stay with this simple text to overturn CU:
”corporations are not people” and “money is not free speech”
for four simple reasons and one – not so simple:
1
83% of Americans have already opposed CU in the ABC/Washington post poll and the above
IS THEIR POSITION ALREADY.
2
We don’t have to work to convince people on the validity of our position.
3
Simple is almost always better.
4
This simple Amendment is REQUIRED to overturn CU.
And all other electoral reform can be passed through the normal legislative process.

5
OWS and these pages are chock full of ( mostly ) excellent ideas to improve our country.
All of them have strong advocates – and some have strong opposition.
None of them has been “pre-approved” by 83% of Americans !
Pursuing this goal – without additional specifics is exactly what Americans want.
What do we want? Look at that almost endless list of demands – goals - aims.
Tax the rich. End the Fed. Jobs for all, Medicare for all. So easy to state! Can you imagine how hard it would be to formulate a “sales pitch” for any of these to convince your Republican friends to vote for any of them?
83% of Americans have ALREADY “voted” against CU. And 76% of the Rs did too.
All we have to do ask Americans is to pressure their representatives – by letters - emails – petitions.

Wanna take your family on vacation?
Convince your 7 year old to go to Mt Rushmore.
Then try to convince her to go to Disneyland.
Prioritizing this goal will introduce us to the world – not as a bunch of hippie radical anarchist socialist commie rabblerousers – but as a responsible, mature movement that is fighting for what America wants.


Ohio won. Arizona won. Maine won. Mississippi won -
I feel that using their tactics, and the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success that cannot fail to enable us to create and complete one MAJORITY task. Read more: http://bit.ly/vK2pGI

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 12 years ago

Liberty and Justice FOR ALL

[-] 1 points by peoplepowr (14) 12 years ago

I want a country whose government is not owned by Corporations, Big oil, Big banks and Wall Street. I want an amendment to the supreme court decision that put no limit on the amount that the 1% can contribute to campaigns. Big money has no place in our government and should not be allowed to give one red cent to further any campaign.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 12 years ago

that is the goal of Restore Democracy working group
Join us Nov 16 6PM 60 Wall
http://bit.ly/vK2pGI

[-] 1 points by jayp74 (195) 12 years ago

Exactly. It's the politicians who are bought by coporations. It's all legal. And it shouldn't be.

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[-] -1 points by owsdefecating (2) 12 years ago

They want everything including you being killed! welcome to the new facist state new 21st century communism!

[-] -1 points by RicoSuave (218) 12 years ago

The entire OWS movement was created to distract the public away from the Obama administration's failed policies.

The OWS movement ends on Election Day 2012.

[-] 1 points by peoplepowr (14) 12 years ago

This movement has nothing to do with the left or the right, both parties are bought buy the 1% who use their money to ensure that their desires and greed ridden objectives are met, at the expense of the planet and the 99%.

[-] 1 points by RicoSuave (218) 12 years ago

OWS was created as a distraction to help reelect Obama and more Democrats in 2012. That is it's main purpose. That is why it was created.

[-] 1 points by peoplepowr (14) 12 years ago

You are delusional.

[-] 1 points by RicoSuave (218) 12 years ago

It's the truth.

You're just too naive to see the truth. You just don't like the idea that you are being used.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 12 years ago

More like HIGHLIGHT the failed policies of the bush/obama years

The past 12 years proves free-for-all trade doesn't work

That banks CANNOT self regulate

That corps. WILL do evil when allowed to

And that our whole system has been corrupted

[-] 1 points by RicoSuave (218) 12 years ago

Government is the root of all the problems that have occurred.

Government is the problem, not Wall Street.

OWS was created as a distraction to help reelect Obama and more Democrats in 2012. That is it's main purpose. That is why it was created.

The people who don't realize this fact are the young "useful idiots" doing the protesting.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 12 years ago

That's a pretty nutty conspiracy theory, turn off the glenn beck show and remove the pie pan hat (no the rays won't get ya)

Yes gov't is the problem, more specific gov't corruption is the problem.

OWS is pushing for more participation in gov't by people in general.

OWS is highlighting where the corruption lies

The goal is to remove those that are corrupt from BOTH parties.

Though the GOP does seem to have a higher level of corruption, huh, go figuer.

[-] 1 points by RicoSuave (218) 12 years ago

The goal of OWS is to reelect Obama and more Democrats. That is all.

OWS was created to provide a distraction during the 2012 Election Campaign season.

The only people who don't seem to be aware of that fact is the young idiots doing the protesting. They are being used.

[-] 1 points by peoplepowr (14) 12 years ago

wake up Suave dude, Wall street is our government!

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

just curious, did you make a music video some 20 years ago? Anyway here's where i think this should go https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

[-] 1 points by RicoSuave (218) 12 years ago

No. Some idiot name Gerardo stole my name and used it for a song.

[-] -1 points by journey4word (214) 12 years ago

most just want to be a part of something, bigger than themselves, they don't want OWS to end.

maturity will end it.