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Forum Post: What do Cons Not Understand About Too Few Have Too Much

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 7, 2012, 11 a.m. EST by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX
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Or are these shills neo-con agent provocateurs? … deliberately obtuse? But no. Obtuseness is their natural state whether plants or just garden variety fools.

It's simple math. But to do good arithmetic you need honest numbers. The Census Bureau and BLS are a good place to start. The Levy institute will show that the net worth [equity and property free and clear] of all Americans was 48T in 2004 (more in 2007) and 1% of the people owned more than a third of it. (worse in 2007 and even worse today) The next 9% had more than 17T. $10.94 trillion was in excess of the first $5M each owned by top 0.999% of American Households. So if we had taxed all Americans (“rich and poor alike, every single penny”) for 100% of their property and everyone got the same $5 Million deduction, we'd have raised $10.94 T when the debt was quite a bit lower than the $15T it is today. And the rich assholes would still have $5M each. Do the cons back up their numbers?

“Working Paper No. 502” Edward N. Wolff, 2004 www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_502.pdf updated to 2007 http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf

http://www.agkaiser.org/posts-2011/Where-Is-the-Money.pdf

Read more facts: “How Does That Work?” https://www.createspace.com/3852916

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[-] 2 points by WSmith (1943) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

G-R-E-E-D!

AUTHORITARIANISM!

DELUSION!

MASOCHISM!

RepubliCons have devolved into a cult and the 1% Kings are their Charlie Manson.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago
[-] -2 points by WSmith (1943) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

I hereby BAN you for such ad hominemism. Where do you get off saying crazy shit like that you Floridian inbreed?

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

lol. You don't like White Zombie? My bad

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1943) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

I like Subrosa and Woodenshjips. WZ not at all.

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

The title, it turns out, was a mistake because it diverted attention from the danger of concentration of wealth to the imaginary danger of trolls. The result is that the beasts are sheilded from the light that would have destroyed them. But the irony is amusing. I wonder what happens if I edit the title?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

The title was changed but the link remained the same, with the old title. There's something to be said for permanence, even if what you see is not what you get.

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

If the first thrust doesn't penetrate the trolls' hides . . .

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

If emotions cloud the issue for you or divert your attention from the main point, you didn't burn the X deeply enough into your forhead just above your nose.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

Isn't it satisfying to hear the the trolls irrelevant moans when thrashing about to evade the light of truth.

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

We could expand on this while you expound: what do the non-conservatives not understand about too many have too little?

Isn't that really the crux of the matter?

Do you really think that those on the bottom are "liberal" ?

They are conservative respecting every facet of their lives.

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the government needs to make it's documents available in plain text

so they can be searched and processed easily on the net

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

No Government documents were cited in my post. But most Census Bureau and BLS documents are provided in MS word [.doc] and pdf. Surely the "Portable Document Format" is as searchable as any. But I guess if your aim is to corrupt the truth to serve troll processes and ends, or you merely wish to divert to your comfort zone of conservative fictions, any objection, no matter how specious and irrelevant, will do.

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

they need to be in plain text

pdf gums the download and is unnecessarily bulky

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

It's satisfying to hear the the trolls irrelevant moans when thrashing about to evade the light of truth.

[-] -3 points by Suetorp (-104) 2 years ago

Troll is a relative word. I'm a socialist who believes in the methods of OWS, i.e. fighting the broken system from the outside without getting involved in partisan politics. I'm called a troll by those who promote Obama and would like OWS to fight from within the system by promoting voting, sending letters to the President, etc...

The only thing that matters here are ideas. Attacking the proposer by calling him a troll is a logical fallacy. Counter argue the claims of those you call "trolls", or simply ignore them.

You'll find that most "trolls" here are simply people with a different opinion.

I consider VQkag2 as a major troll, he considers me as a major troll.

DKAtoday considers Odin a major troll, and Odin considers DKAtoday a major troll.

It's all relative.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

And just what kind of fallacy do you consider sock puppets?

What do you call stirring up all the partisanship you can?

You do that every single time you come back here after being banned.

BTW. How many times have you been banned?

[-] -3 points by Suetorp (-104) 2 years ago

Using various sock puppets is not trolling. It's simply a method of civil disobedience much like OWS protesters use on a daily basis. You can evict a user, but you cannot evict an idea.

The only thing that matters are ideas. You're wasting your time hunting those you claim are "trolls" just because they disagree that Obama is not a great man. Just ignore them if you can't handle it.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yes dip shit, sock puppets are very much a form of trolling.

They are also extremely dishonest.

Along with your refusal to ever answer an honest question, with an honest answer.

Ever!

If you really think trying to stir up every once of partisanship you can is helpful?

You're wrong.

And it's not so much that that is your only obvious purpose. It's that you attempt to stir up only one "side"

Sock puppets are nothing but a form of tyranny the way you have used them.

So why do you desire to rule over others?

[-] -3 points by Suetorp (-104) 2 years ago

Calling others childish names like "dip shit" is trolling and it hurts this forum by making it look less than serious. Please refrain from logical fallacies. Attack the ideas with well formed arguments, do not waste your time attacking the proposer.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Sock puppets already did that.

You are a sock puppet. You ARE a dip shit.

You haven't answered a single honest question.

Not one.

I would think you are not long for the forum in your current iteration either.

How about a heads up on your next new name?

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[-] 2 points by Renneye (4004) 2 years ago

I knew you were Proteus. He was too much of a charicature of himself, ran the gamut from intelligent to utterly stupid...and good english to bad. Wow! Those were some pretty amazing conversations you had with yourself...I mean Proteus...I've got the spins. Not really ^.~

In the original...and very suspicious introduction of Proteus, you had a link to a photo and books/articles...who and what are they?

What internet location are you posting from today? Minneapolis or Manila?

Oh, and when are you going to put the April charicature to rest? You already admitted it to me...you really should set the record straight for these good people...trashy-Rush'kah. What's one more character...you have a zillion of them.

Such an actor! What the f*ck are you doing on this forum any way? You should be doing voice overs for an anarchist cartoon figure or something.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Kewl, that name will get you banned, and you have nothing to add anyway.

Have a nice day. Or not.

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[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 2 years ago

"Kewl, that name will get you banned, and you have nothing to add anyway"

Isn't that a Martin Luthor King quote? Or was it Gandhi? I know it's somebody famous for taking on the man and fighting the power. I mean, it just screams "Revolution!"

[+] -5 points by realbigshooz (-5) 2 years ago

shooz is part of Partisan Powers, a troll team here to change the forum into an Obama love fest. Watch out for DKAtoday, shooz, VQkag2, shadz66, and zendog.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

'Tr@syBot' : Still talking outta your sorry (x) ? You really need to STFU & put a cork in it ! Pseudo-Anarchist / Quasi-Left-wing / Dilettantes & Dis-info Trolls like you with your daily monikers are two a penny on this forum & most of them are you !! Do 'Odin - under whatever moniker' & 'hchc' know that you've co-opted them to ''The Trashy Troll Team' ? How'd you do it ? Did you whisper to them in PM ?

cf : http://occupywallst.org/forum/if-you-dont-have-the-courage-to-vote-for-the-party/#comment-827635 ;-)

anguis in herba ...

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Stop using sock puppets to stir up partisanship, and I will.

That's a logical fallacy in and of itself.

That would make you one too.

You have yet to present an actual argument anyway.

You're just plain argumentative and divisive, and that's a different thing.

Plus you NEVER answer a question honestly and ignore the most important ones.

[-] -1 points by marvelpym (-184) 2 years ago

Have you ever noticed how many times you accuse people of not answering questions? Don't you think it's odd how often you do that? Could it be that you are looking for them to say something in particular that will help you win the argument? And when they don't give you the answer you want, do you just keep accusing them of not answering over and over?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm pretty used to it by now.

They've been doing it for almost a year.

The less they answer the more resolute I become..................:)

They do come here to stir up the partisanship they like to bitch about so much.

Job security for the troll network?

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 2 years ago

I guess you are just too smart for them.

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[-] -3 points by Suetorp (-104) 2 years ago

Being boring is the biggest crime on this forum, not sock puppets. And dude, your repetitious rants are majorly boring.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1943) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Someone please explain the censorship here? I remember Proteus, he was no worse than others that slime the board with impunity (Shadz comes to mind). Why can't we have differing opinions? Isn't that what a forum is for? How boring to just preach to the fucking choir!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26518) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

R U new here? Some how I don't think so. But anyway - Suetorp and several other versions of the name are from a long time forum troll as are names like shoozthatfit. This persistent forum troll will be continually booted as it seems there is no way for the forum to block it's return.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1943) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Great! Censorship on a "Progressive Public Forum." Isn't that what the righties do? Who decides? What harm has he done? I want to hear what he has to say more than Shadz who only trashes anything and everything, and really never answers a question. Very disappointing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26518) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sorry but your characterization is false a lie - shadz brings much gr8 and good information to this forum.

Who decides you ask? The forum - U Know - This Site - How? - By the appointed moderators decision.

Don't like it complain to the forum.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1943) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

I don't "lie," and I resent your scurrilous accusation. I just saw Shadz attack VQkag2 for no good reason. I wouldn't censor her for it, but she does it all the time. I don't like your smug tone, do I have to complain to the forum about that? Jeez, so much for public forum concepts of radical, freedom and discourse.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26518) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

U sound familiar. How many times have you been booted - what were your other names?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

I'm bored with formalities and the blather of fools, no matter their position or spiritual elevation.