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Forum Post: What comes after communism and capitalism?

Posted 7 years ago on March 14, 2012, 10:07 a.m. EST by jph (2652)
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Naomi Klein is interviewed about Climate Change and Political Ideology;

"It’s largely about changing the mix in a mixed economy. Maybe one day we’ll have a perfect “ism” that’s post-communism and -capitalism. But if we look at the countries that have done the most to seriously meet the climate challenge, they’re social democracies like Scandinavia and the Netherlands. They’re countries with a strong social sphere. They’re mixed economies. Markets are a big part, but not the only part, of their economies. Can we meet our climate targets in a system that requires exponential growth to continue? Furthermore, where is the imperative of growth coming from? What part of our economy is demanding growth year after year?

If you’re a locally based business, you don’t need continual growth year after year. What requires that growth is the particular brand of corporate capitalism — shareholders who aren’t involved in the business itself. That part of our economy has to shrink, and that’s terrifying people who are deeply invested in it. We have a mixed economy, but it’s one in which large corporations are controlled by outside investors, and we won’t change that mix until that influence is reduced."

Link to interview; http://www.thesolutionsjournal.com/node/1053

As always Naomi is so very insightful, worth a read.

Luckily the solutions are already here; Permaculture, Degrowth, Relocalize, SlowMoney, etc.

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[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22990) 7 years ago

We can't just keep growing our economy. It's ridiculous to think that we can.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 7 years ago

Yes, the corporate model is unworkable, period. The business world needs an injection of democracy. Why not worker owned and run businesses? People will be more interested in doing the work when more than a wage is the reward.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22990) 7 years ago

Check out the article in Demian's reply to me below. It's interesting.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 7 years ago

Yes I quite like,. I will be delving into the rest of that site.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22990) 7 years ago

Thanks to Demian. Great stuff.

[-] 1 points by Demian (497) from San Francisco, CA 7 years ago

I'm pretty excited about what this guy has to say. http://www.garalperovitz.com/2011/12/worker-owners-of-the-world-unite/#more-647

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22990) 7 years ago

Very nice article. That is the direction we should go in. Worker-owned companies, co-ops, credit unions, etc. A new economic system altogether or a sub-set of the capitalist system we have in place.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 7 years ago

Yeah, thanks for the link, do a post about that guy!

[-] 1 points by Demian (497) from San Francisco, CA 7 years ago

I did already a couple of months ago. Why dont you do one? Check out his site. http://www.garalperovitz.com/

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 7 years ago

Ok, I shall, as soon as I have a good summary of what he is about, the more I read over there, the more I like Gar.

[-] 1 points by Demian (497) from San Francisco, CA 7 years ago

I recommend the peice on Zuckerberg.