Forum Post: We're fighting problems but not the problem.
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 4:42 p.m. EST by ResourceBasedEconomy
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I hope good health and happiness for the few who began the OWS Movement. They started awareness and, instead of taking leadership, they maintained that all of us are the leaders as one. Eventually, I hope all those watching and all those participating do their own thinking and stop relying on information, especially from the media, and others to fuel their ideas. Follow your hearts, so to speak. If we all had common goals that would only benefit those who have actually proposed or had those goals. The concept is to benefit everyone. Therefore, perhaps attacking the source of the problem may have more impact.
Peter Joseph (The Zeitgeist Movement) and Jacque Fresco (The Venus Project) have been logically and scientifically reasoning why this system has failed and will continue to fail. Not through theory or opinion, but through tangible evidence. In simple terms, money is the issue. There are millions of conflicts, ideas, arguments, wars, etc., in the world and among us. Most of these problems revolve around money. If money were erased, so do these millions of conflicts. Of course there is a counter argument or many arguments against this but they are not arguments, they are questions.
Considering this is only a blog, I encourage a little more research than all of us have been doing but without the indoctrinations and systematic beliefs/values that were taught. Vision without the distortion of words with vague meanings and unreasoned beliefs. If you are not already aware of the "Zeitgeist Movement" and the "Venus Project," simply googling these two terms will provide way more detailed information.
In my words, the movements promote a resourced-based economy that excludes money of any form and concentrates on the resources, technology and goodness in humanity to take care of us. Money is a made up valueless item as you can't eat money, drink money, nor fill your tank with money. Furthermore, money is nothing but an illusion attached to a green piece of paper that is more valued than human life. People are starving, dying, killing and just suffering because of this green paper that has no value. If you only had millions of dollars in the middle of the desert, with no resources, of what value is it?
There is a legitimate, tangible process in pursuing this way of life possible for at www.thevenusproject.com or www.thezeitgeistmovement.com. If you have the time watch the video on Youtube "Zeitgeist Moving Forward" for a clear picture. I don't want to misguide people.
We should consider abolishing money because every institution, business, and even education system is restricted because of this illusion attached to a green piece of paper (or whatever color). We are all human and should stop being robotized through ponzi schemes. There's no need for anyone to starve or deprived. Let's not make it possible by not leaving that opportunity through money to exist.
99%er for now and future 100%er.
I agree with Zeitgeist and Venus that if we started over then a resource-centric system rather than a money-centric system would be the way to go. But getting to there from here is not easy nor can it be quick. Self-sustaining wagon-wheel communities would be great, say building new ones in the middle of the Great Plains. But how do we convert NYCity?
Zeitgeist and Venus do focus on THE problem and there really is only one problem - sustainability of the human species here on Earth. The top 1% can have their mega-yachts but if there's no food in the galley they'll starve just like the rest of the 99%
A simplified version of what the value shift requires: competition => Collaboration
As long as systems are founded on the principle that competition is better than collaboration, corruption and inequality will continue to exist.
Monetary, Political, and even Religious systems could be beneficial if they were collaborative however in most cases they are not.
Competition in itself indicates winners and losers, haves and have nots. To get ahead you must gain an advantage. Those unwilling to use unethical or immoral tactics to get ahead will lose their advantage over other individuals/groups that do.
The RBE is collaborative in almost every way. But even more importantly it uses the scientific method to arrive at solutions rather than relying on uninformed opinions through a voting process.
But to get from here to there will require many to release themselves from the current competitive systems. Self-sustainability is a start but it will take collaboration in conjunction with technology on a mass-scale for a RBE to develop.
Exactly, money is the issue, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
if you want to support a Presidential Candidate Committee at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class
Money isn't the problem. Abuse of money is the problem. Period. Banning money is as foolish as banning drugs. We should REGULATE money via TRUE DEMOCRACY through the sovereign government of this great nation. We are missing those two capitalized terms: monetary regulation and true democracy.
George Orwell wrote an article in 1946 called "Politics and the English Language." His point is that the usage of euphemisms and meaningless words for the sake of appearance and sophistication has crippled many understandings. REGULATE and TRUE DEMOCRACY paints a vague picture but still does not bring about common understanding or a vivid picture, so to speak. It sounds democratic and catchy, what does that mean? That's how all of these bankers and corporations beat the laws, it's because they play with the language. The military doesn't kill, they neutralize. There are no more deaf people, they are hearing impaired. If you change the name of a condition it doesn't necessarily change the condition.
I agree wholeheartedly with your positive criticism. I was feeling especially emotionally charged that day. To clarify: the economic stability we experienced post WWII until the late 70s directly resulted from banking regulations that limited risk -- for example: limits on bank leverage, limits on loan interest rates, etc. When that risk factor reinstated itself slowly, via wealthy financial sector lobbies, between the Reagan administration and the G. W. Bush administration, we saw predictable growth for a while, until conditions favoring sub-prime lending (equally the fault of the lender and the signer) and selling collateralized debt in the form of securities (really? selling debt? they do that?) caused a bubble. When most national banks could fail if just 3% defaulted on loans, the bubble burst very predictably.
So two factors: the loss of necessary regulation, caused by the purchasing of true democracy by the politicians involved in the financial industry.
not interested in cults of personality.
the two cults you mention are not any kind of solution they are stuck log jams of anti intellectualism, anti science, anti truth, run on pack psychology and mob psychology and ad homs and lies. It is hardly legitamate and it is anything but tangible. its a giant stinkingstew of angst and complaints and nothing for solutions. Abolishing money is not a solution, its a rebel without a clue temper tantrum. A resource based economy is a neat idea. too bad these cults can't even as much as form open source think tanks and are instead organizationally fascist cults. We don't need no robogod, and we don't need any more false prophets.