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Forum Post: Weaker men more likely to support welfare state and wealth redistribution

Posted 1 year ago on May 16, 2013, 6:54 p.m. EST by Dmooradian (-74)
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Now I understand the inadequacies of the OWS much better:

Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views

•Weaker men more likely to support welfare state and wealth redistribution •Link may reflect psychological traits that evolved in our ancestors •Strength was a proxy for ability to defend or acquire resources •There is no link between women's physical strength and political views

By Emma Innes

PUBLISHED: 05:21 EST, 16 May 2013 | UPDATED: 10:22 EST, 16 May 2013

Men who are physically strong are more likely to take a right wing political stance, while weaker men are inclined to support the welfare state, according to a new study.

Researchers discovered political motivations may have evolutionary links to physical strength.

Men's upper-body strength predicts their political opinions on economic redistribution, according to the research.

Men who are physically strong - like Arnold Schwarzenegger - are more likely to take a right wing political stance

The principal investigators - psychological scientists Michael Bang Petersen, of Aarhus University in Denmark, and Daniel Sznycer, of the University of California in the U.S., believe that the link may reflect psychological traits that evolved in response to our early ancestral environments and continue to influence behaviour today.

Professor Petersen said: ‘While many think of politics as a modern phenomenon, it has - in a sense - always been with our species.’

In the days of our early ancestors, decisions about the distribution of resources were not made in courthouses or legislative offices, but through shows of strength.

With this in mind, Professor Petersen and Professor Sznycer hypothesised that upper-body strength - a proxy for the ability to physically defend or acquire resources - would predict men's opinions about the redistribution of wealth.

The researchers collected data on bicep size, socio-economic status, and support for economic redistribution from hundreds of people in the United States, Argentina and Denmark.

In line with their hypotheses, the data revealed that wealthy men with high upper-body strength were less likely to support redistribution, while less wealthy men of the same strength were more likely to support it.

Men with less upper body strength are more likely to support the welfare state - like Labour leader Ed Miliband Men with less upper body strength are more likely to support the welfare state - like Labour leader Ed Miliband

Professor Petersen said: ‘Despite the fact that the United States, Denmark and Argentina have very different welfare systems, we still see that - at the psychological level - individuals reason about welfare redistribution in the same way.

‘In all three countries, physically strong males consistently pursue the self-interested position on redistribution.’

Men with low upper-body strength, on the other hand, were less likely to support their own self-interest.

Wealthy men of this group showed less resistance to redistribution, while poor men showed less support.

Professor Petersen said: ‘Our results demonstrate that physically weak males are more reluctant than physically strong males to assert their self-interest - just as if disputes over national policies were a matter of direct physical confrontation among small numbers of individuals, rather than abstract electoral dynamics among millions.’

However, the researchers found no link between upper-body strength and redistribution opinions among women.

Professor Petersen argued that this is likely due to the fact that, over the course of evolutionary history, women had less to gain, and also more to lose, from engaging in direct physical aggression.

He said, together, the results indicate that an evolutionary perspective may help to illuminate political motivations, at least those of men.

Professor Petersen added: ‘Many previous studies have shown that people's political views cannot be predicted by standard economic models.

‘This is among the first studies to show that political views may be rational in another sense, in that they're designed by natural selection to function in the conditions recurrent over human evolutionary history.’

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[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Some Republicans live in a dream World and don't understand where Labor Laws came from and who fought for them. They don't know why there are safety rules in the work place or how they got there. And when they get Unemployment Insurance they still talk about Obama, and how degenerates are on welfare.

I know a Republican that has been unemployed for over two years. He won't take Food Stamps yet. He has got someone supporting him. He doesn't seem to care that FDR gave him social security, unemployment, and someday Medicare.

Are Republicans going to keep shooting themselves in the Foot?

1) Probably there are Republicans that smoke Marijuana.
2) Probably there are Republicans that have used up their Unemployment Insurance
3) Probably there are Republicans that need Food Stamps and Welfare
4) Probably there are Republicans that need Job Training
5) Probably there are Republicans that need "Free Health Care"
6) Probably there are Republicans that are either Immigrants, Latino, or Illegal Immigrants
7) Probably there are Republicans that don't like Rich Americans that keep their money off shore and avoid taxes with Trust Funds, Shell Companies, and Special Loopholes
8) Probably there are Republicans that hate Hedge Fund Managers getting a 15% Income Tax Rate
9) Probably there are Republicans that hate Bank Fraud, AAA Rated Junk created by ratings Agencies and Investment Banks, the Cover Up of DOJ & the FBI, the incompetence of the SEC, and the Hit to the US Banking Reputation because of the Junk Derivatives sold by Wall Street

But... Probably the US Republicans are Idiots. Look who they keep getting to Run in Presidential Elections.

A) John McCain, what an Asshole
B) Paul Ryan, what no one has told him his Libertarian Economics would put the US into Depression? Doesn't Paul Ryan have one friend that will talk to him honestly? Even Milton Friedman wouldn't do the kind of cuts Ryan has in mind.
C) Mit Romney, What he is a Hedge Fund Manager. He Does Arbitrage. He Strips companies and sucks all the money out of them destroying jobs and putting people on the Dole. He is a total Taker who keeps thinking he deserves more and more. He probably needs to be put in a sanitarium.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

He won't take Food Stamps yet. He has got someone supporting him.

What an asshole - to burden family or friends when he can draw from what he has paid for - F'n idiot.

[-] -2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

John McCain - war hero and answered the call Paul Ryan - you mean the free market economics that have brought more people out of poverty than any government program Mitt Romney - succeeded at everything he has tried -school, jobs, family.

You don't even know what arbitrage means. Your man was a ward leader, nothing else.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Obviously you weren't a Vietnam Vet that was asking John McCain to look for MIAs and to Support Veterans Issues after Vietnam. Obviously you don't know that John McCain turned his back on Vietnam Vets in the 1980s.

You have never served this country so don't even try it. Pussy.

Late ADD:

Here is 3 part Study related to Reinhart & Rogoff Study which all the Libertarians, Neoliberals, tea partiers, are using to say US Debt is bad and we must have Austerity (False)

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2013/05/make-em-prove-the-causality-before-they-cause-any-more-suffering-part-three-reinhart-rogoff-retrospective.html

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

SHILLS SUCK - Don't they??? Why is this ass-sucker "Dmooradian" still here?

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well, maybe he will learn some thing about McCain. But he probably is being paid, right.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Whether paid or not - to deny reality - and support - the killers of the World ( corp(se)oRATions ) - it goes beyond - way beyond - DEPRAVED.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Damn US Politics, US Capitalism, US Spin, US Lobby. Down is Up, East is West. Everything is upside down.

Progressive Good Ideas can be Conservative Ideas.

Liberal Economics is Laissez-Fair, Status Quo, Privatization, Deregulation... But the word Liberal is confusing. Leo Strauss used the word Liberal to describe America in a bad way. Strauss is a Neoclassical Philosopher with Right Wing Conservitive Values and he is from the Chicago university where Milton freidman taught. Strauss taught Wolfowitz.

Liberal is a descriptive word which we might like and we might sometimes no like. Liberal Socialism okay. Liberal Economics not okay.

The hypocracy of Politics is to demonize opponets. This seems to be the Republicans attitude toward democratic Presidents. But it is all just word games as both parties are corrupted and supporting crazy bankers and crazy Lobbyist.

A democratic President that supports war, loss of privacy, and loss of Individual and Human Rights... this is a difficult situation. I'm not saying anything about the 3 scandals right now.

We just need to sweep all the old congress out of there, Break up TBTF Media, TBTF Banks, TBTF Corporations, TBTF DHS, TBTF Pentagon, and many more.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Damn US Politics, US Capitalism, US Spin, US Lobby. Down is Up, East is West. Everything is upside down.

And - YET - it comes back to individuals - those with poor values - corp(se)oRATists and their lackeys - so small a segment ( not a part - never - a - part ) of the population - and look at the devastation that they have created.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Democidal Corporations?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Corp(se)oRATions - a driving force behind - Democide.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Sweeping national Reforms is the only way to address the many entities all linked together in the web of corruption. We have to reform Corporations at the same time we reform government, congress, banking, Defense Spending, The Federal Reserve, and Think Tanks, Foundations, and PACs.

That is a lot more ambitious than I usually will write anyway.

But, when the Constitution is under attack, we have fake wars, we have fake terrorism, we have Human Rights Violations, We have Laws taking away Individual Rights, and we have a great loss of Privacy, and we have a huge new National Security Force without a mission ... and which will send 5000 employees when there is a bombing in Boston (proving they have nothing else to day all year long).... It is obvious Congress Can not Fix anything. And any Reform will be only one small, narrow area, and will be watered down by meddling Lobbyist anyway.

United Banana Republic of America.
Banana States of America
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North American Banana States
Union of Banana Republic
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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sweeping national Reforms is the only way to address the many entities all linked together in the web of corruption.

Move to Amend success would be a GR8 start.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Hm... maybe our friends from Koch Industries will help start a buzz in the conservative quarters.... We need a groundswell.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (4710) 1 minute ago

Strategically if we can get Paul Ryan to dig into statements on TV about certain things... he is going to push some voters over to our side. Well that is politics. The smart politicians avoid the emotional issues. Koch, Romney, Ryan, Cruz, Christy, they seem to think they can attack social programs... I'm not sure that won't eventually turn against them.

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Paul (AYN) Ryan - is a perfect target to bait - it IS a Narcissist - and even so should be deemed extremely arrogant. Damn - in that way he(it) is just as open to the public as lying Mitten . So week to the challenge of sanity when confronted. F'n arrogant asshole.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

They certainly are standing out in the open - thumbing their noses - and going - Nya Nya Na Nya Na

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Strategically if we can get Paul Ryan to dig into statements on TV about certain things... he is going to push some voters over to our side. Well that is politics. The smart politicians avoid the emotional issues. Koch, Romney, Ryan, Cruz, Christy, they seem to think they can attack social programs... I'm not sure that won't eventually turn against them.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Blowin it out Ur ass - Surprise??? - NOT

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Wall Street bank heist: greatest redistribution of wealth in human fucking history and is still going on: http://www.accuracy.org/release/will-wall-street-be-held-accountable-for-fraud-and-greatest-redistribution-of-wealth-upward/

Mandate a 6.8% sales tax on all Wall Street transactions NOW!: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ralph-nader/financial-transactions-tax_b_3109421.html

Reduce Student Loans to Prime Lending Rate: http://elizabethwarren.com/student-loans

Instant Runoff Voting: http://www.fairvote.org/instant-runoff-voting#.UZXycspIHr4

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

Maybe you should actually read the study next time.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

In line with their hypotheses, the data revealed that wealthy men with high upper-body strength were less likely to support redistribution, while less wealthy men of the same strength were more likely to support it.

The key phrase is less wealthy men of the same strength are more likely to support it

Sounds like their conclusion is flawed.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

STINKLE - there it is folks - The Shill Post.

Weaker men more likely to support welfare state and wealth redistribution

Still even if presented wrong in the Post - the title still suggests "some" truth - welfare states - Red - Republican. Those in office largely pushing austerity and so a need for welfare = Republican ( at least that is how they still identify themselves - they have yet to come out of their closet and declare openly = Corp(se)oRATist.

Actions of corp(se)oRATists in office - suck up all the money possible from the general public - let the wealthy slide. So those at the top of that red pyramid makes sure that welfare is needed for the majority at the bottom.

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[-] 0 points by TheRoot (94) from New York, NY 1 year ago

another example of counterfeit money in banking and government funding fake academia.

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[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

this study did not gauge strength just bicep size. fat flabby lardy swollen biceps.

[-] -2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

Come on, have you ever seen a good looking liberal. Have you ever been to the Democratic National Convention?

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

the republican convention looks like night of the living dead. seriously it looks like the invalid section of a nursing home. the only time i have ever seen more white hair was when i went to perkins on new years eve.

[-] 0 points by Narley (-628) 1 year ago

I have no idea if this is true or not. However, to suggest liberals want a welfare state is off base. We just want a level playing field. So, does that mean I have a strong upper body? Does it matter?

[-] -1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

that is the whole point to have a welfare state. what other purpose should government serve but it's citizens welfare? just cause conservatives have demonized the term welfare state does not mean liberals and progressives don't want one.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

That's what the world needs. They would take first place for Darwin Awards.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

First place??

It might be too much to ask, but the World would be a better place.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Darwin award - as in most likely to go extinct. Or too stupid to live. Likely to kill them-self in a very stupid manner - accidentally

[-] 4 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

First place=removed from the gene pool.

I hope it's not too late.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeah it seems that there is some sort of strong recessive gene.

Species built in survival factor? The ones that the lion gets or falls down an open manhole - providing cautionary examples to the rest? Like don't pet the kitty - or pay attention to where you are?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

In that pic?

Scott looks like an over grown version of the bat boy, from the enquirer.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/14/1209078/-Florida-Gov-Rick-Scott-Allen-West-would-be-a-great-Lieutenant-Governor

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

aAHHHAhaha

" I swear these people are doing this as performance art. They've got to be. Florida Gov. Rick Scott, himself a monument to Republican crackpottery (and a bit of a crook, but I repeat myself) hasn't decided who he's going to pick for his new lieutenant governor, but he has some ideas."

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Is it something in the water? In Florida?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

You mean they won't go down with their ship?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

Not on purpose, but if he pulled the plug?

He just might.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

Ahhhh.............duct tape.

We will duct tape their asses to a random point in ..............South Florida.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

Duck Tape will fix anything.......................................:)

We're gonna need a lot to fix this mess.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

Well, we can at least make 'em go down with the ship.

[-] -1 points by AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight (-72) 1 year ago

Duck Tape... lol... Do you tape up your ducks? That's animal cruelty. It's duct tape, you know, for air ducts, or cable ducts.... lol

You blow me away sometimes. Here, for your education:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/are-you-scientifically-illiterate/

[-] 2 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

No.

The original was and still is called Duck Tape.

Look it up.

It was called that because it could shed water.

[-] -1 points by AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight (-72) 1 year ago

Yes, you are right! Nice one. However, duck tape is rare today. It's tape made of stripes of cotton duck. What we use now is called duct tape. I guess your old, so you might still be living in the past. That's OK. My mistake.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

I can go up to Aco tomorrow and get Duck Tape.

It even comes in different colors.

So yeah.

You ARE a mistake.

Just another insulting, character assassinating, right wing liar?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Whew - what stinks - did a cesspool back-up? No? That's shit for brains LoneStranger? Something crawl up inside of it and die?

[-] -1 points by AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight (-72) 1 year ago

Nope, I'm not a right winger. I support anarcho-communism. Destroy the republic, and replace capitalism with communism. That's what I believe in.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No - you are your parents mistake. Big difference.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

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You should try to check things out "before" you make a stupid comment - as knowing you - "you will still say" something stupid/ignorant.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Fox News As Senior Nazi Rhetoric Correspondent

LOL - Now THAT is FUNNY - a little sad as well - in the US of A.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

;)

That it is.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

{:-]) HEEHEHEEEEE

Still more then a little sad as well.

The shills though are probably grinding their teeth and pounding down TUMs

[+] -4 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

47% of the population is on government support right now, so if that is not a welfare state, I don't know what is.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Somebody should tear em "a new one" - ass that is.

[-] -3 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

There you go again, condoning the actions of the IRS, the Justice Department and the handling of Benghazi. Why don't you also include his handling of the budget, the Fed, and the drone policy. And then look into how he won the US Senate seat from Illinois.

All of the unemployed people thank you and the teachers and firefighters will thank you after their pension is gone.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Excerpt - that he should refrain some stating as fact what were only Gohmert's conjectures on what may or may not have occurred.

There that's the LoneStrangers type of guy - fuck facts to build a theory from where a proof may end up being shown - fuck presenting a theory built on facts - Instead take conjecture ( one's own ) and treat it as fact.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

They are shell shocked ( at least a little ) from their own fire. This IRS thing on top of the standing in the way of taxing the wealthy and corp(se)oRATions also considering the complete lack of action on the corp(se)oRAT criminals of the wallstreet financial meltdown - their fucking up and fucking with reforms etc etc etc etc etc etc etc - and - WELL - it kind of shows a pattern of bad behavior.

I think they are afraid of the public crying TRAITOR at them. As it has to happen sometime - look at the pace of shit spewage they have set.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

Well, it's definitely a pattern. I don't know that I would agree they were shell shocked.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Repeatedly Slapping Themselves in the face with a 2x4 - shocked, off balance, dazed, stupified?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

Shoot, if it was that easy then I would be smacking 'em in the face with a 2x4.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ahh to Dream perchance to............................

[-] -2 points by AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight (-72) 1 year ago

Actually, I have always espoused the opposite. Using proper research methods like investigative journalism or historical analysis to back up claims with solid evidence, as opposed to conspiracy theories which start with a conclusion and use logical fallacies like cherry picking facts, quote mining, etc... to make it seem like their conclusion was correct.

Do you really think The New World Order idea is backed up by evidence? It is not, it is a deluded fantasy by conspiracy theorists.

As for my earlier definition of facts vs theory in science, I never stated we should fuck facts. You understood this because you are illiterate. I simply stated that theories in science are a higher form of knowledge than facts because they explain facts. Facts are needed to build a scientific theory. They are the building blocks. The theory lies on top of them, it is higher in the chain of knowledge.

Also, you seem to confuse fact with evidence, and misuse the word proof. In science, a proof is restricted to mathematics. There is no proof in physics, biology, etc...

As for a scientific fact vs scientific evidence, a fact is simply something we observe repeatedly, and it can change over time. It was once a fact that the world was flat, and that has been abandoned with more precise observation. Leaves are usually green. This is a fact. Evidence is in relation to a theory. It is something that lends credence to a particular theory. Evidence can be in the form of a test, or an observation. Facts can stand on their own, they don't necessarily support anything.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Actually, I have always espoused the opposite.

aAHhahaha - Yeah and then spouting "your" crap as if it were carved in stone. Too Funny Mr.Twister failed purveyor of thought poison.

[-] -2 points by AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight (-72) 1 year ago

You are scientifically illiterate. This is not my problem. You confuse scientific expressions like fact and theory with the layman terms. You think a scientific fact is something that is 100% true always. This is just not the case. There is no absolute truths in science.

We can let the readers decide. They know I always espouse the careful weighing and searching for evidence. You simply cannot understand these things because you are unable to comprehend what I write. I guess I should write like a child when I respond to your posts. It might not be your fault that you are illiterate.

You still don't understand the definition of a conspiracy theory. This is sad.

It would do you good to read my comments carefully. You would learn something. Remaining ignorant is not a virtue.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hell have someone read it to you - I can't - I can only retype it to you.

Like your bit of self encouragement though - Make it your mantra.

Don't be afraid to learn. It's important.Don't be afraid to learn. It's important.Don't be afraid to learn. It's important.Don't be afraid to learn. It's important.

Sure get in the proper frame of mind - prior to your asking for help with developing comprehension - ummmm - visual(?) - you know understanding the world around you as well as your reading difficulty?

[-] -2 points by AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight (-72) 1 year ago

Why do you wish to remain scientifically illiterate? You are scared to learn because I proposed it to you? Who cares about the proposer. My idea that you become scientifically literate will help Occupy. The last time we discussed scientific issues you and shooz had many holes in your comprehension. A simple read would help you patch these up. Once you understand science, you'll be better equipped to recognize the trickeries of pseudoscience. This is a plus for all of us.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

NOTE TO SELF ????

[-] 0 points by AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight (3) 0 minutes ago

Why do you wish to remain scientifically illiterate? You are scared to learn because I proposed it to you? Who cares about the proposer. My idea that you become scientifically literate will help Occupy. The last time we discussed scientific issues you and shooz had many holes in your comprehension. A simple read would help you patch these up. Once you understand science, you'll be better equipped to recognize the trickeries of pseudoscience. This is a plus for all of us.

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Good be sure to print a copy to take with you when you go to see a health professional.

[-] -3 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

Come on, this is no fun unless you get angry and start attacking me personally. Tell me how stupid I am and I know nothing. Don't be lazy and just link to other articles. Use your brain. Did you not go to a critical thinking school? Did you graduate or were there drugs involved? Boys? Girls?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

I don't think you grasp this. I don't get angry. You are paid to post. You have multiple IDs. You are a cockroach. You have decided to sell out the American people. You don't even rank as a human being.

[-] -3 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

Oh, I can point to multiple responses from you were you have lost your temper and gotten extremely angry with excessive use of vulgarity. You can't argue the points and have to resort to anger and name calling. If you represent the American people then we are really in trouble. We are in enough now because your rookie in Washington has no ideas what he is dong.

Nice conclusion, by the way, it shows how warped you really are. I would never say that about another person.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

That vulgarity isn't a sign of anger. You are a fucking slimy right wing paid to post piece of shit cockroach. Period. I explained this to you before. I don't consider you to be human. Fuck now off.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL - give it a break and let it know that it is just an expression of derision that you would bless any shill with. You are not cold hearted after all.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

No, it had to earn that shit. There it is.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hmmm somehow I don't think it had to work too hard - seems like a natural to me. G-Night {:-])

[-] -2 points by AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight (-72) 1 year ago

Your vulgarity does not help OWS. Actually, it's hurts it quite a bit. Furthermore, your obsessive partitioning of right wing vs everything else also hurts OWS. OWS is based on the idea of the 99%. Everybody can participate. I have known right wingers who can to OWS events because they shared grievances in certain areas. By dismissing potential recruits on the grounds that they don't think like you, you only weaken OWS by shrinking its numbers.

What we need are intelligent people to lead OWS. Not GirlFridays.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

Your idiocy doesn't help ows. It hurts quite a bit. You have a tendency to go off on tangents and it usually always revolves around you. So, go fuck yourself.

[-] 3 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

May is national masturbation month.

But I don't think this is the behavior they have in mind.

http://www.askmen.com/dating/news/masturbation-month.html

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3300) 1 year ago

Lolol!! Thanks for the laugh to my mid-morning tea.

That deserves a vote and a song. Victor Wooten, right?

Victor Wooten ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30qUjoOH3ew

[-] 3 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

You should see his brother, Future Man, play drums...................:)

[-] 3 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

The finest bassist the World had ever known.

I've seen him perform with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones...................:)

Thanks.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3300) 1 year ago

Thanks for the introduction to him, way back when.

I just checked his biography. What an interesting journey he's lived. Just this month he was involved in a TEDeducation talk regarding "Beyond Objectification into Empathy".

Spreading the word against apathy! Way to go!!

http://www.victorwooten.com/

http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/6335

http://commonground.ca/2013/05/victor-wooten/

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

OIC. Well that is interesting.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

I think he's just self frustrated........................:)

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

Possibly. I doubt very seriously it has the capacity for any type of expression.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

"It's" a Narcissist AlwaysWillBe...........AlwaysRight/ready to be commit-ed. It should avail itself the use of the Canadian Health care - it can't plead poverty for not.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

Should be.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - it is obvious that "it" is not getting proper care on it's own.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

No, it is not.

Either way. I don't have the time for all this today and probably not tomorrow either. They can either put together a legitimate argument for a legitimate debate or they can fuck off. Thus far, neither has shown they have the capabilities of providing any argument for anything. Hence, the narcissism.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - Narcissist Much? AlwaysWillBeAlwaysRight

[-] -2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

There you go. Thank you.

FA

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17437) 1 year ago

DFC. FO

Is there anything else I can help you with?

[-] 0 points by Narley (-628) 1 year ago

I don’t know how accurate the 47% figure is. Romney said it during the election and he paid dearly for it. However, I do agree government handouts, including welfare, Social Security, unemployment, and other entitlements is probably near 47%. The problem is it can’t be sustained. When those who take from the government outnumber those who give to the government something will have to give.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Have you examined that the Social Safety Net has healthy Revenue through the Payroll deduction. Have you considered that some costs in the USA are out of control and need to be managed by tough adminstrators to keep the prices under control. There has got to be a lot of options here.

First off there needs to be national discussions to educate adults about what Fiat Currency is, how it works, why we don't use gold, how when gold is used certain people end up controlling the wealth.

Second off we have to have a national discussion about why certain people are controlling the wealth and certain people are getting wealthy off the profits from corporations while wages and benefits for most everyone else is going down. And we have to discuss how bankers make their money by attaching fees, increasing the cost of financial assets, and getting free money through their being granted the authority by the State or National Government.

Third off, we have ot have national discussions about the small dollars spent on social programs that are not paid for by payroll Tax deductions.

Forth off we have to have national discussion about the meaning of war, what war does to a foregin nation in all respects including economically, rape, murder, refugees, and in the US how we treat veterans, how we prevent veterans from getting benefits, care, and examinations,... and how veteran care is usually not that good, and how the system is deliberate about resisting providing benefits to veterans ... and how all of this proves we don't want to go to war, we don't want to be an international war force and have to pay additional benefits to veterans for college and job training for their whole life..

Fifth we need to do some national discussions about where all the money goes with charts, that compare how large the funding is for small social programs, and Federal Education Dollars and where that money goes and why it is so large today. Do we need 14 Agencies with laboratories and developemental facilities for Intelligence. Isn't it dumb to have over 4 agencies with secret Budgets, doing secret work, and duplicating each others efforts because they are secret. Part of the problem with the Federal Government is the managers and congress spend money like drunken sailors and then see no problem with making it all secret and official. Then they want voters to support them and support the military budgets.

Sixth... there are so many educational hurdles that voters need to cross before real decisions can be made to support the free wheeling congressional budgets and government expansion. There is no boogie man out there that small European countries are no dealing with on shoe string budgets. it is called having some balls.

Lost my train of thought here there is just so much obfuscation.

I guess you know that the 47% has a lot of elderly, veterans, retired military, retired civilians, disabled, etc.

[-] -1 points by Narley (-628) 1 year ago

The truth is we aren’t going to have these national discussions. People aren’t that interested. Sadly, the masses aren’t as smart as we’d like them to be.

I’ve maintained for some time no significant social or political change will occur while the people are still living so well. For the most part we will not give up our comfortable and secure lives until forced to. People seem to be able to tolerate a lot of corruption and greed from the 1%. Seems to me this is why OWS is floundering. People just don’t care.

As for entitlements. Yep, the people receiving run the gambit from professional welfare cheat to little old grannies. My point simply is we can’t continue to support almost half the population. The other half who are paying for it will not tolerate it forever.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well, we have to live in the solution as the Japanese used to say in the 1990s. I certainly have shared your thoughts that a Majority don't care enough for one reason or another. So, how can we get people engaged into National Discussions about Federal Government Budgets?

We know some young people are focused on their selves, and they people might be the hardest to pull into the discussion and education.

Women are family oriented, sharp, detail oriented, and can keep a lot of issues going in their minds at once. Maybe if we can get Mothers to see the cracks in the Foundation that their kids will have to deal with??

Would a Woman's movement today put us over the top in Education in the US, Europe, Australia, Latin America? Federal Budgets, National Interest Rates, Work Force Shrinkage, Maximum employment levels in Service Economies, Executive Compensation Packages in ratio to average workers over 200:1, Tax Loopholes for the Wealthy, Deferred Wages for Special Executives, Special tax rates for Hedge Fund Managers, 10,000 pages of IRS Income Tax Code.... and Non Standard Accounting and Off Balance Sheet Transactions for Corporations??

Come On Women your wages have never caught up to Men, and it turns out not only do you get less wages, but you pay more Taxes.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

http://www.alternet.org/story/154875/the_science_of_fox_news%3A_why_its_viewers_are_the_most_misinformed

Boycott FLAKESnews!~~~~~It could only help!!

Alex Jones too!!!

Boycott Limbaugh!!

Boycott Drudge!!!

Boycott breitbart!!!

Add to the list!!

[-] -2 points by Narley (-628) 1 year ago

More and more I believing it’s all bullshit. I mean Fox, CNN, NBC and so on. I don’t believe any of them. They just want to sell you something. I can’t absorb all the all the voices telling me their version of the truth; and I don’t like it when people call you names because you don’t follow their cause de jour.

I’m at the point of just saying “screw it”. I’m very close to ignoring everything that is not part of my little world. Hell, even on a forum like this where people are supposed to be come together all I see is name calling and spewing vile on anyone who won’t buy into someone’s personal view of the world.

So, I say again, It’s all in vain. We won't make a difference until the masses get desperate. We’ll eventually get there, but not yet.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

They are and for many years have been, directly responsible for not only the dumbing down, but also most of the horrible divisiveness.

C'mon, it's not like you came here hoping to learn from us.

You came here to push that very same divisiveness.

[-] -2 points by Narley (-628) 1 year ago

Actually I did originally come here to learn. I came out of curiosity and a sense that OWS might be on to something. Unfortunately, I have become disillusioned. Thus I’ve almost decided to this is not a place for answers. And, no, I’m not trying to insult you. That’s just what it looks to me.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

Perhaps you should consider not pushing "right wing" talking points?

Really. You should at least consider it.

[-] 1 points by Narley (-628) 1 year ago

Interesting. I didn’t know I pushed right wing talking points. I’m not a right winger (except on gun rights). OMG, is it possible I’m a conservative in denial.

[-] 1 points by Timex (-3) 1 year ago

He'll like you if you take your talking points from here instead. Note especially the one that says the AP had it coming. Media Matters...sometimes.

http://mediamattersaction.org/message/onepagers/

Keep in mind that Media Matters enjoys the same tax exempt status that's been causing such a bugaboo with those Tea Party people.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17962) 1 year ago

Will you accept the Epiphany?

Somehow, I doubt it.

[+] -4 points by FreeNakoula (-29) 1 year ago

Really. This website has become another DNC spinzone. There are only a dozen or folks left here that post regularly and it's degraded into a left/right insult fest. Hopefully OWS can do something about our corrupt govt, but since they (or at least the active posters here) do not want to lobby for change during O's watch, the same as Bush and Clinton before him, guess it will go into hiatus until a Republican regains Penn Ave. Obama is no worse than the last 20+ years and that is as close as I can come to paying him a compliment.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Then neither of you are following the discourse here closely at all.

I hope the door doesn't hit you in the back on the way out.

[-] -3 points by FreeNakoula (-29) 1 year ago

Builder, I have been here since the beginning....6-10 screen names ago. You know gd well this place has become a place for the Multi mans, shoes, bensdad, willsmith, zendog, bitchfriday, et al to spout Obama is the messiahisms. Yes, there are also a few people who have more serious Occupy related discussions, but they are the exception here.

We have an opportunity right now to do something about our corrupt govt here in the US, but the leftwing will NOT pounce since the PeacePRizePrez is still the acting like he is POTUS. They will not do anything unless it brings down and smears the "repelicans" and keeps the lightbearers of the world Dems in good stead.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34889) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

your theme song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw round and round and round

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'd prefer to focus upon the good things this place has to offer, like the tireless researchers, the activist news offerings, the comeraderie, and the alternative lifestyle threads.

You can poke holes in any online discussion forum. Your choice what you focus upon, entirely.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

There was no outcry when the 16 trillion was handed out by the fed res to their overseas buddies in business. The budget for two illegal invasions alone would cover free healthcare and free education alone. Get with the program, my friend.

[-] -2 points by Narley (-628) 1 year ago

There should have been an outcry. But that doesn't address the "entitlement mentality" americans are developing.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'm not doubting this mentality, when full-time employment doesn't pay enough to feed and clothe yourself. Food stamps to top up wages? While banks get bailed out for gambling and losing? There's your real problem.

Taxes used to cover the social costs of the nation, and the wars without end, but now the wealthy are in control of the decision-makers (and I use that term very loosely, these days), so their tax rates are lower than they've ever been.

Pointing the finger at the bottom of the tree doesn't account for the nuts at the top.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You're an idiot. And if you arent physically weak, I'll bet you are mentally.

[-] -1 points by highlander21 (-46) 1 year ago

A quack study. I hope it does not take away from the fundamental issues and concerns, which, in my opinion, happen to be legitimate.