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Forum Post: We should make a change in our education where only successful people become our teachers, not the failures at self reliancy.

Posted 6 years ago on Feb. 28, 2012, 12:25 p.m. EST by freewriterguy (882)
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Nothing says failure more than a person that spends much of their life in our education system and then upon graduation, rather than contributing to society in the creation or movement of goods and services (by their valued education they just received - MOCK) instead they are plugged back into the same failed system by becoming our teachers.

But as is the way of our wasteful government they specialize in hiring the failures at self reliancy as the teachers of the next generation. Think about it, this is where our tax dollars are spent.

We should find a way to encourage successful people to be our teachers, instead of those who failed at self reliancy.



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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 years ago

Actually, most education programs are quite difficult. So, for something like secondary education in a university, you are working three separate programs. You work a program for the state, a program for the education department and a program for your field of study.

There is a neat little trick that is played as well. Right before you sign a contract you are simply not rehired. The local school board can say whatever they want. We just had this happen year before last. About 24 teachers were let go. One member of the school board stated that they were not up to par.

One week later another school board member came forward and admitted that there was nothing wrong with the teachers but that they were trying to get around contracts.

I find it disgusting that people try to silence educators and are bullied by school boards. They are so willing to sacrifice people's careers for their own elections. Absolute thuggery.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

Teachers do provide a service, the service of education. Are you saying that because the students don't pay the teachers directly that it is not a service?

[-] 0 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

I would like to see an example of something a teacher teaches a student that directly improves his life so that he could either support a family or pay his or her rent.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

Math and science would prepare a student to be an engineer or a doctor, or even just a technician. But if what you are saying is that we need better programs for developing practical skills, I would agree with you about that.

As it is, our society requires more people with high level blue collar skills, plus we need a big expansion in our manufacturing sector, which would require an even greater amount of people with high level practical skills.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

i would like to see a teacher address a real problem in society like how to sponsor or form a business or corporation where the blue collar workers own the corporation instead of one guy at the top. Instead what we are seeing is a fullfillment of President Thomas Jeffersons words, "due to elitists bankers and corporatisms, one day the children will wake up homeless on the country land that their fathers conquered."

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

I see, that is an interesting idea. I suppose you would want somebody who was a successful entrepreneur to teach that class.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

yes thats my point, we should get successful people as our teachers, not those who failed at self reliancy. You see, teachers are not much different than the housing pyramid scheme that is collapsing. If teachers taught something valueable, wouldnt the student go on to a successful rewarding career? but when a person graduates with a degree and becomes a teacher, that is the epitomy of failure in my esteem.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

But we also need teachers to prepare people for jobs, rather than their own businesses. If people start businesses, they will also need employees, and their will always be big companies that need employees.

Schools weren't always so dysfunctional as they are these days. There's no reason schools can't provide a good education for reasonable pay.

Its safe to say that the fields of education and real estate have been abused, but it doesn't have to be that way.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

They do provide "vocational" schools for studenst who don't want to learn math, science, algebra, etc.

[-] 0 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

too bad those vocations are just plug in type jobs for corporate slavery. I mean nothing is being taught yet about how people need to form businesses of which the workers are the owners. The next point will undoubtably be, ya but then they can start their own business after they learn a trade.

Point is just from what I have seen that is happening to me, I can just imagine what is happeneing on a grander scale. Things are alot worse than they appear. Neverthe less, the life style is better than they were in the farming days.

Now comes the enlightenment so prepare yourselves: There is a big gap between starting your own business and the discovery of the numerous anti-business rules, regulations, never ending snake oil salesmen who continuously prey on the new businessmen that come from government who release (if not illegally sell our private information). Not to mention the lies about financing small business ventures that are just non-existant. Many of these bait and switch salemen are front men for corporations even.

FOR EXAMPLE We got visa who doesnt deal directly with small businesses in starting up their credit card terminals but I can show you all of the ones I have dealt with lied and cheated me and locked me into 4 year contracts. (i could write a book on this one alone)

FOR EXAMPLE I had experience with 3 corporate conglamerate yellow page providers, who totally screws my business, one lied, bait and switched me, but I won the court case after 6 months of battle (can you put a price on that time taken away?) Another got a default judgement even though they mistyped my phone number because I was too busy to fight it. And the third and separate Qwest DEX whom I have paid over $80,000 and 9 years of my small business revenues into their 7 billion dollar corporation didnt even have the courtesy to list me the following year as a single line entry, all because I had tried to finance a job with a magic number called a PURCHASE ORDER (no money down which took 4 months to complete, and didnt get paid until the expiration of my renewal deadline for the yellow page ad for the next year, (they didnt list a one line mention of my business name and phone number). I mean if people knew thats how corporations like QWEST DEX treats small business it seems they should boycott them. All of these facts I have documented proof from my own personal experience.

If this is what I have seen just in my experience, I can only imagine what is happening on a grander scale. Neverthe less, with exception of not ever being able to own land, the lifestyle is better today than the days of the farmer.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

Lets start with the basics and work up from there.

School is a starting point in life. Its supposed to teach you to read, write, spell and comprehend. That's it - it does not prepare you for the real world.

Now moving on to college - College gives you credentials but that's it - it provides you with a better understanding of reading, writing, spelling and all the other things you learned gorwing up in school.

College also can provide you with more knowledge when it comes to your "job career".

What college doesn't provide you with is "hands on experience". That is the next step.

Regardless of wanting to be an engineer, accountant, or going into business for yourself at an early eage you are at the starting point of actually engaging in your career.

Next you are now ready to begun the experience of working at the career you chose. From this point on, you are on a learning curve. The more you learn about your career the more you can advance.

Now that may not always be true so the next step is to become more engaged and learn all aspects of your arear of expertise. Learning to be an accountant as a career is a start - then learn office management, move on to other aspects of the enviornment you work in so that you become more valuable.

In time with all your knowledge and skill you may even decide to start your own business.

This is how it works in the real world. It's not easy, and it isn't instantaneously. It takes time and during that time you build your wealth.

By doing this, you learn to become wiser and smarter and when you reach the age of 40 -50 60 whatever your goal for retirement is it will happen.

Now some people may disagree with me saying that when they graduate from college they are knowledgeable in their field and can do the job they went to school for. This may be true but again, it's only a starting point when you are first starting out.



[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

i agree with you that people dont really learn anything until their first day on the job. imagine teh productivity they could be if they would skip college aand just start working.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

It's not always the teachers that create the learning problems it's the parents.

There are a lot more "bad parents" then there are "bad teachers".

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

yes and again i blame corporatism and plain old american greed. when the wife has to work too just to afford land in america, whom shall we blame?

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

Would you call "supply and demand" greed? People wanted things and they wanted them now and as a result the prices kept going up..

Look at what apple is doing right now - they are coming out with another i-pad - suckering everyone in to buy it because the one they just bought isn't fast enough or doesn't have the latest greatest gadgets.

Right now they are worth close to a trillion dollars and it's the consumer who put them there. It works the same with all corporations.

The consumer is the one who is to blame - not the corporations - for without the consumer there would be no corporation.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

WELL last i checked their is more empty land available than people to inhabit it, so why cant we inhabit it? did we the people not inherit this land? My family hasnt own land for 3 generations now, my grandmother is still living in a trailer park in ca.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 6 years ago

When the economy was booming, and university graduates could make more money outside teaching, many of our best and brightest went into other occupations. That is not so today in the recession that we are in now. Hence it would only make sense to raise the standards for people applying for teaching jobs.

Finland does a superb job in educating their children. One reason is, they only take applicants for teaching jobs from the top third of the graduating class. Teachers are held in much higher esteem in Finland too, much in the same way as other professionals are. We should emulate their model here. When that happens, and there is accountability in teaching....teachers will then get the support from the public that they deserve. We will then also know that our kids will be ready for the 21st century.

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 6 years ago

Competitive salaries would be a start.

[-] -1 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

good start, let us encourage policies that funnel some of the corporate wealth (or better yet the government funds) into our education system, specifically to attract teachers with real talent, instead of our current government funds whose dollars are spent on new touch screen projectors and wireless microphones for the teachers, or consumed with high principal salaries who dont even teach any kids. Or new billion dollar buildings for that matter (like what is going on at my daughter's school).

[-] 0 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 6 years ago

If you funnel corporate wealth into the education system what you're going to get is a school ran by corporate interests. I refuse to allow my children to 'learn' in an environment, where all they're going to learn is how to be a 'good consumer'. I would much prefer their critical thinking to be used in learning how to build their own damn wagon--not which wagon to jump on.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 6 years ago

yah maybe gov funding then but we could add additional tax to coroporations to fund it or somekind of funding