Forum Post: We need a new constitution
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 28, 2011, 9:33 p.m. EST by sinthytech
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If you were to write a new constitution right know what would you want in it, not a constitution drafted in 1775 but today. Most likely I see catastrophic government failure what type of ideals would you wan't to protect you and your offspring. This is the time to start thinking and drafting because tomorrow is to late.
A new effort has been started to Occupy The Constitution. This effort launches a new Direct Democracy tool called the National Opinion Collection System ( NOCS ). This tool creates a process to capture ALL the comments of EVERY citizen about major social issues, elections and bills before congress. This effort is described at http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupytheconstitution-introduction
Outlaw paid lobbyists and insert term limits, and the one we have would be good.
http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html
http://vimeo.com/31464745
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk
Seriously, we have TWO constitutions, one is being followed, the one in which elected servants and elites can commit what would be treason under the first one, the same one in which your "Rights" have actually been, via implied consent and your not objecting, transformed into privileges.
http://www.gemworld.com/USAVSUS.HTM
See how this happened and why.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/#comment-442151
Restoring the organic FIRST Constitution would cure all our problems and with the return of common law, provide reasonable persons with the means of which to hold the criminals amongst our midst, accountable.
Yes that is correct. Search out the congress of 1871 and things will clarify themselves.
The United States Isn’t a Country — It’s a Corporation! http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm
side by side comparison of the two USA’s in existence today http://www.usavsus.info/
You GOT to be f88888ing kidding me!
The one we have is the greatest in the world.
BUT it is being ignored!
We need to demand its implementation!
And trust me, I am an immigrant. I have not only lived half my life on a different continent, I have travelled the world!
Thomas Jefferson was BRILLIANT!
http://www.gemworld.com/USAVSUS.HTM
We haven't been operating under Jefferson's Constitution for many years... it's a very common misconception. Look at the page the link takes you to, it's very concise and explanatory.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/consti16.html
This takes you to a test on the Constitution. Give it a shot.
No we haven't. And its NOT MY MISCONCEPTION! Its that people DO NOT KNOW their Constitution and therefor DON'T HOLD their REPRESENTATIVE GOVT accountable!
Read about the Two Tier Justice system by Constitutional Attorney Glenn Greenwald. How the executive branch and Congress have dished not only the Constitution but also the Judicial system and the Rule of Law 'With Liberty and Justice for some"
As for the U.S Constitution, my husband is an attorney. We talk about it daily. Most Americans don't even understand the Bill of Rights, that it applies to the government and is to restrain the government from infringing upon individual liberties.
Everything covered in the U.S Constitution is the Law of the Land and overrides all state and local govt laws and ordinances UNLESS State and local laws TRUMP the U.S Constitution!
Now everything NOT covered is assigned to States and local govt ( Tenth Amendment). TO ENSURE power to the people at the LOCAL level.
The OWS crowd is illiterate about HOW their govt is supposed to govern.
It amazes me how many well educated persons do not grasp the idea of a Constitutional Federal Government which actually hands the government back to the people, and in their home state "backyard".
However......... this list of those whose very existences and very survival are 100% dependent on this Non-Constitutional Government....... are HUGE in number, magnitude and POWER.
agreed!
"We haven't been operating under Jefferson's Constitution for many years"
correct. we veered off course about the time the progressive movement flexed its muscles. and now look what happened.
progressivism is obsolete. it was needed, just like labor unions, and now it is not. but it has become a racket, so its desperate attempt to remain relevant leads us to where we are now. a nanny state that tries to do far too much and sucks at most of it.
it started going off course once alexander hamilton started backstabbing the constitution and madison/jefferson right after it was ratified.
"a " Corporation" of England Created (Incorporated) by (Presidential) Legislative Act in 1871, Forty-first Congress, Session III, Chapter 62, page 419"
So you're saying the "progressives" flexed in 1871?
illuminati conspiracy theories are barely a half-step away from reptilians.
don't bother me with stupid conspiracy shit, please.
Although your syntax appears flawed, I can see you're a moron if you aren't willing to see that there are indeed two different Constitutions. The titles are even different.
shut up, you idiot.
alex jones is a fraud, getting rich selling fear to paranoid assclowns like you. 9/11 was not an inside job. the fed isn't "private" and you are a simp.
fuck you stupid cunt, the fed is indeed private and you're a successfully programmed outcome based child that should have been left behind
fuck you stupid cunt, the fed is indeed private and you're a successfully programmed outcome based child that should have been left behind
wrong. the fed is not private. it is a quasi-public institution.
the head of the fed is appointed by the president. if you think that's private, you're even dumber than I thought.
cram your paranoid gullible head back up alex jones' ass where it belongs, truthtard. better yet: kill yourself.
http://thenewamerican.com/economy/markets-mainmenu-45/9536-big-banks-shift-their-derivatives-exposure-onto-us-taxpayers
Hmmmm.... this looks private to me too!
yeah, that's what they tell you children
pray tell, why is it that only recently has this quasi-criminal institution been audited and only for less than a three year period of which they selected?
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.11/gaoaudit.html
Interesting how that 1.4 quadrillion they backstopped, privately, without any consent from a very corrupt congress, happened later than the window of this audit.
Let's see, how many times did these appointed crooks lie to congress, under oath?
I have no idea who Alex Jones is and I won't waste my time proving why you should kill yourself instead, since you've obviously already managed that, or had your big government do it for you while they were ramming that shitty bs education of yours, deep into your huge arse.
"I have no idea who Alex Jones is"
well, that's a lie.
and all your other blather is meaningless. the fed is not private. you've been fooled.
You are plain stupid and ignorant.
Do you care to see the 1982 Supreme Court Ruling which upheld that you are flat our wrong about the SOON TO BE ABOLISHED Federal Reserve?
presscore.ca/2011/?p=3279
An audit of the Federal Reserve has revealed in the Sanders Report that the privately owned Federal Reserve secretly and unlawfully doled out more than $16 trillion in zero interest loans and concealed electronic funds transfers to some of the largest financial institutions and corporations in the United States and throughout the world. The non-partisan, investigative arm of Congress determined that the Federal Reserve acted illegally. In fact, according to the report, the Federal Reserve knew their financial transactions were illegal and provided conflict of interest waivers to its employees and private contractors so they could keep investments in the same financial institutions and corporations that were given emergency loans. The report is evidence that reveals major securities fraud in the embezzlement of $16 trillion by the Federal Reserve. Securities fraud and embezzlement are both felony criminal offenses. Any criminal offense committed by the Federal Reserve forfeits the Federal Reserve franchise – U.S. Code TITLE 12 CHAPTER 3 SUBCHAPTER IX § 341. Second
it is quasi-public or semi-private. it is not private.
the president appoints the governors and they are confirmed by the senate. only a lunatic would take that FACT and still insist that it is a private institution.
alex jones fooled you. admit it and move on, wackytits.
Herman Cain is a criminal and talks just like a negro Elmer Fudd. I bet you do too, dumbass. Talk your crap to the senate committee that disagree with you as well as Supreme Court rulings that also clearly show you are wrong.
sorry, bigot, the fed is not private.
you, on the other hand, are an unhinged, emotionally unstable racist.
Yes Jefferson was the man but, his day has passed and I think if he were alive today he would have added no private institution can print federal currency.
You need to study the Constitution.
The fact is...its IGNORED!
TWO different concepts!!!!!!!!
Yes End the Fed!
I think everyone's right i just wanted a public consensus, I think I'll just write a declaration of world peace. Just something to embody the OWS movement.
Support you completely! With your permission - I will add music with comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRtQQKgWYvo
I hope this brings awareness to all of us that scary amount of citizens do not know the constitution and how it works. This is the reason the country is falling apart. The people cannot hold those in powers accountable for things they don't understand.
Ron Lawl urges us to read and follow the constitution yet he is kept silent.
The constituion is just fine the way it. We need to ask ourselves are we following it?
Of course we should have a constitutional convention. We can impose the death penalty on flag burners and abortionists.
We can privatize schools and integrate them with the private prisons. We can enforce abstenance only with chastity belts. We can prove that dinosaurs went extinct because people ate them all We can eliminate corporate tax & estate tax & EPA & FDA & SEC
and everyone who does not think like me.
wonderful!
I don't understand. Why should we fix our constitution? My constitutional is every morning around the same time unless I have something that upsets my stomach. It happens early so I have the rest of the day without having to worry about it. You can change yours if you want. I don't want to change mine.
Too much complaining on here and not enough practical political action. We are still allowed to run for government office and we can still vote. It seems like a national movement that has support can find people to run for congress, get them elected, and make change happen. There is Article V, but you would need the support of the governed, i.e. votes.
Doesn't matter what ills you find and expose, doesn't matter what solutions you propose, if you're not willing or able to work to capture a majority in elections you're just entertaining each other with idle daydreams.
We don't need a new constitution. The one we have is great.
I think everyone's right i just wanted a public consensus, I think I'll just write a declaration of world peace. Just something to embody the OWS movement.
The constitution does not need changed and all we need is Obama to follow it. He wants socialism. No way
take the 1775 version, fix the slavery parts, and it's done.
in fact, it is nearly perfect. we should follow the one we have.
the very idea of a new one with special consideration for all the whiners is a nightmare. it would be 25,000 pages and it would attempt to codify every possible behavior. fuck that shit. the one we have is awesome, we just have to follow it.
Clear, well-defined language for the Supreme Court must be established. Appointment process (no lifetime appointments), process of removal, specified responsibilities, etc.
The point of lifetime appointment was so the Justices would be loyal to enforcing the Law without any other considerations (like a 2012 reelection campaign) interfering with their adjudication of cases.
What we really need is an independent Court that is not part of the U.S. government to decide constitutionality of federal laws. To have the U.S. government self-police itself makes little sense. The U.S. government has a bad tendency to uphold it own laws as "constitutional" when they should be declared null.
Such matters should be decided by an independent non-U.S. Court, with the men appointed by the People and their legislatures. We'd see a lot more laws like the Patriot "spy on citizens" Act nullified.
You can make amendments. Why write a new constitution to make small changes?
Actually I was just thinking of a constitution for OWS, one so that it could function around the world as a whole. It would be based on the American constitution. I though that if OWS were operating and this government failed we could at least have some kind of organization. also we could more easily work with encampments around the world.
The Tea Party wants to stick by the 1775 one. Google it. They want small Government. They want what you want.
And besides, there was not a "1775 one". The Constitution for the United States of America was adopted in 1779.
The Constitution of the united States was ratified June 21, 1788
Wrong, if they did, they wouldn't have balked when Harvard's law Department presenting them with compelling reasons to do so. It was a direct conflict to their backers big money interest to turn the system back upright.
Please explain what you're talking about.
BTW the constitution didn't exist in 1775.
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/9138-harvard-confab-fails-to-convince-tea-party-to-seek-constitutional-convention
Now do the research and learn who, backing this group, would have their entire world destroyed by actually restoring the organic Constitution.
Way too many of "them" are "in the corporate club" and swilling out of the VERY UNLAWFUL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL CLUB'S TROUGH.
A constitutional convention would probably destroy the present 1786 Constitution, and give us a 1000-page mess like the EU's Constitution was. And instead of a Bill of Rights, there would be a List of Privileges which can be revoked any time the new parliament or congress feels like it (again, as is the case with the EU's list of revocable freedoms)
A People can not be free if they are treated as inferior to the government or the politicians. See how the EU treats its own citizens during this debt crisis (robbing the taxpayer, giving the cash to the bankers, and setting-up nonelected PMs).
All you need do then is convince a majority that you are right and another constitutional convention can be held. Article V provides a method. You're not going to get the country to spontaneously accept something drawn up by a small self appointed group, no matter how well intentioned.
I think everyone's right i just wanted a public consensus, I think I'll just write a declaration of world peace. Just something to embody the OWS movement.
There may not be a way to get a truly public consensus. This forum attracts only a very narrow segment of the population. That's probably a major flaw. Too many ideas are agreed to by a majority in the forum, but we forget the rest of the population. Public sentiment for OWS, for whatever reason, isn't that strong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
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Oh yeah this is the answer. Talk about every special interest group and lobbying firm having a field day.