Forum Post: We NEED a functional conspiracy powered by love and understanding
Posted 11 years ago on Feb. 24, 2013, 2:18 p.m. EST by redandbluestripedpill
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This is a challenge to any who believe they can describe it.
Keep in mind the words "functional" and " conspiracy", their meanings and most fundamental nature.
Nope. Can't say as I can. You don't seem to know either though.
So how about YOU show a little love and understanding and join in the candlelight vigil for Trayvon Martin?
http://interoccupy.net/blog/candlelight-vigil-in-new-york-to-mark-the-anniversary-of-the-death-of-trayvon-martin/
So where's the conspiracy part?
Exactly.
I'm awaiting your explanation of that as well as awaiting your showing of love and understanding, by a positive comment about the vigil.
I received neither.
Uh oh, intentional cognitive foul. Who pays you?
What foul?
I'm asking you to explain the conspiracy.
I get paid in love BTW. You?
ConSPIRacy, is spiritual. Spirit is unconscious, mostly. Love is of the unconscious mind, but has conscious impacts we all benefit from.
By consciously realizing that a prime principal of America is LOVE, because America stands for life, others will simply understand and join in the conspiracy.
Kind of like prisonplanet then?
Does that mean I have to be a big fan of Rand Paul?
'Cause I think he's a major league jerk.
Pretending to be a troll so your efforts to interfere with cognition are so obviously part of a conspiracy of hate and fear.
Yea, laugh . . . Nervously.
Pretending?
What are you in your other life?
This is my life, unlike you.
So it's the life of a troll for you!!!!..........:)
Good to know.
No, a conspiracy (life) of love, truth and understanding.
What group provides you with your favorite example of this "conspiracy"?
Teaching how to understand, what understanding is good for.
Understanding nature, each other and their own needs..
How perfectly vague and non committal.
That's why it sounds creepy.
Free speech is about understanding. What is your opinion on the proposal to end the abridging of free speech. Can you comment on that and seeing that campaign finance reform.
BTW. What I wrote is about understanding generally, non specific - non committal seems an intentional error designed to interfere with cognition.
4 year olds are my favorite group, they love it that I try to help them to understand. When they get that happy loving smile, and show their eagerness to learn, to understand and love, I know the conspiracy has taken them over.
Sounds creepy.
What are you teaching them, specifically?
Wow...I love this.
America is a secret conspiracy of love.
The framers of the constitution were competing for what was to be included in the new social contract. The powerful wanted it to serve them, so kept the facts out, to maintain control by disempowering future generations of the knowledge of the circular conspiracy of life and love.
America stands for love because America stands for life. Love protects life.
In fact, love without action when life is threatened, is cowardice. Biology and psychology supported by anthropological studies. Natural law, our instincts, constitutional intent.
But life is a conspiracy of love all on its own, that is why the constitution exists. Those living, loved so much they used their knowledge in a vision empowering survival and evolution.
Our waking states are only 7% of our mental existence. The Aborigine of Australia knows it well, Dreamtime. With love, the unconscious empowers a connection. The connection enables synchronicity. When that happens, it looks like a conspiracy of good that more and more people wake into.
A 'conspiracy of love'. We've watched this exact thing happen in small groups with ows, both on the ground during protests, and here as well. The numbers need to grow substantially though. This 'connection' is what we need to nurture here more than anything, so we can build trust within ourselves and each other...so that synchronicity may ensue and we can work on a viable project...in unison...as one.
You have the best idea of all, thus far. Thank you.
Yea, love is so easy, particularly after being immersed in the great spirit through dream states. Love really flys there.
"immersed in the great spirit through dream states". Sounds like my kinda place.
Humanity as a whole could learn a lot from the ways of the indigenous, right now.
Yes, I realize what an understatement that is. Lol!!
Shooz failed to comment on preparatory amendment. Which is exactly what a paid cognitive infiltrator would do
No ones been able to explain it in plain language.
Which is even more exactly what a paid infiltrators would do.
Of those who are promoting it, not one can explain it.
So yeah, I have commented on it numerous times.
What would be your purpose in lying about that?
Wrong. Since you choose to pretend you do not understand, simply comment on what ending the abridging of free speech will do.
Oh.
Go ahead and 'splain it then.
Nice easy language though.
I want to hear it one more time.
Your evasion and use of cognitive distortions is noted.
Wrong, some truth is eternal and ALWAYS works. ART5 is plain language which leaves lots unsaid so that the people of the future are not confined in applying their perceptions of what constitutional intent is.
Which truth is that?
Truths which can be verified will be shared on national network television. Now they cannot be, the purpose of free speech is abridged.
And that's going to stop FLAKESnews, and negate effects it's already perpetrated, exactly how?
All the truth life depends on.
The effects of truth are retroactive.
Tomorrows truth, yesterday, does not fit today.
See, I can be cryptic too.
This is why I don't trust the art5 crap.
That tired old BS again/still?
Move to Amend - is about as preparatory as it gets. And yet the shills would try ( continue to try ) to lobby for an open convention with nothing limiting or controlling the agenda.
Yep.
It's all about ALEC.
Move to amend = get the money out.
Then we can talk about other art5.
Yep - clean single issues at a time for future legislation is another good issue = OSTA.
You do not know the root meaning of the word "idiot".
movetoamend is DOA. Their petition invokes no duty.
I signed it. I hope congress enacts amendment, but they have no well defined duty to do so.
Idiot
-] 0 points by DSamms (141) 1 minute ago
Admittedly the wealthy can afford to buy the US Congress and many state legislatures, correct? And this is why we are here, can we agree to that as well? Thus, the two points I would like to make are:
If they wished, considering all their political expenditures over the past ten or twenty years, the elite could have "influenced" our politicians to call an Article V convention, but did not... If they wanted one, they can afford it.
Secondly, the current political status quo operates, via the twin parties, as designed by the elite. An Article V convention threatens their power and privilege -- shhh, it might awaken some slumbering, dangerous, democratic urge in the people...
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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23362) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 minutes ago
The corpoRATists as yet do not own everyone in office - or the point would be moot.
The corpoRATists are currently trying to position their pieces - so that when they judge the time is right - they will go forward - this includes misleading/misinforming the general population.
The People need to learn to support and oppose issues - Not Parties or individuals - ISSUES - Hence Move To Amend is a gr8 start in the proper direction.
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Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the corpoRATists already have things pretty well in hand. Politically speaking that is... the Constitution is muddy. And people need to do a lot of things, how do you plan to engage them? You propose a tough row to hoe. One that has broken every progressive movement in the past. Some reform and a reprieve, maybe, but no control of basic policy. No challenge to elite dominance.
A little bit of coin greasing the right palms, and MTA goes away...
You have no faith in getting the people involved and getting them to stay involved - but - you would call for an art V convention? That makes no sense.
[-] 0 points by DSamms (140) 5 minutes ago
Well, we're not going to solve it this way. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
Basically, yes, you've got it -- I have no faith. Blind faith in the political system seems the order of the day for quite a few posters here, especially those opposed to an Article V convention. There is Occupy's unifying principle apparently.
How do you plan to not only get the people involved in your process, but keep them involved? If you ask me the same question, I'm willing to spill my beans, there are no state secrets involved.
No - it is not - my conundrum - it is the conundrum of ALL.
Keep the motivation for change alive?
It is being done - on the street and over the internet - by individuals - by groups.
Reality of what is happening to our climate our air our land our water - the poisoning of our world - will always be a driving force to continue to fight.
[-] 1 points by DSamms (140) 3 minutes ago
Again I agree, but how do you keep people motivated over time? Other than a core group (which is, by definition, leadership) how do you reach and sustain active political involvement in the general, MSM population for five, or even ten, years? Millions of people every day. Describe it. This is your conundrum... because that's what you're talking about.
And I agree change is needed... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
Well, we're not going to solve it this way.
Move To Amend - is not a one time shot - it is an effort to ultimately get corpoRAT personhood repealed - and along the way state by state it is getting support and local resolutions. State by State it is educating the public.
We ( the World ) are at a point in history where major change is needed - not wanted - NEEDED. For future generations to live without wishing that they were instead DEAD.
[-] 2 points by DSamms (140) 16 minutes ago
I agree with everything you say DK, including "BUT THEN THEY LET IT ALL GO BACK TO THE FEW TO RUN THINGS." That's likely the most historically accurate statement you've made...
So how are you going to engage them over this years long slog... Two steps forward, one back? That's stalemate. And stalemate kills passion. Ask the Greens. This is the way the elite kills movements...
So, if this be the case, what other options exist?
If you want direct democracy, what you're most likely to get is a one-time shot. "[T]he people ... have had moments of clarity and outrage that pushed things forward..."
If that one-time shot is successful, think it might only be a first shot? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
Again I agree, but how do you keep people motivated over time? Other than a core group (which is, by definition, leadership) how do you reach and sustain active political involvement in the general, MSM population for five, or even ten, years? Millions of people every day. Describe it. This is your conundrum... because that's what you're talking about.
And I agree change is needed...
The change - the FUNDAMENTAL change for the better - will only come from the involvement of the people - up to this very point in time the People have not gotten and STAYED involved. They ( the people ) have had moments of clarity and outrage that pushed things forward like civil-rights - BUT THEN THEY LET IT ALL GO BACK TO THE FEW TO RUN THINGS.
What I am advocating and I feel what these movements are advocating - Is That The People Get Involved AND Stay Involved = Direct Democracy can not happen with out consistent effort/involvement.
Move To Amend is a 1st exercise in getting involved and staying involved. A 1st exercise in bringing up the idea of Direct Democracy and in pushing the issue forward - a 1st step towards creating/implementing Direct Democracy.
I agree with everything you say DK, including "BUT THEN THEY LET IT ALL GO BACK TO THE FEW TO RUN THINGS." That's likely the most historically accurate statement you've made...
So how are you going to engage them over this years long slog... Two steps forward, one back? That's stalemate. And stalemate kills passion. Ask the Greens. This is the way the elite kills movements...
So, if this be the case, what other options exist?
If you want direct democracy, what you're most likely to get is a one-time shot. "[T]he people ... have had moments of clarity and outrage that pushed things forward..."
If that one-time shot is successful, think it might only be a first shot?
Your BS gives us an idea of HOW afraid the elite are of ART5.
Preparatory amendment for ART5 is about the newest real political strategy in existence.
The Koch's paying you well?
Kochs are so afraid of ART5 they pay you to pretend you don't understand. I would have never heard of them or alec if it weren't for the cognitive infiltrators here trying to generalize all ART5 activism as alec promoted.
Another poster here has a great test for them, to see IF they really want an ART5 convention.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/action-petition-alec-to-make-a-statement-about-the/
Seems to fit you just fine :
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[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (221) 1 minute ago
You do not know the root meaning of the word "idiot". ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
BullShit =
[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (221) 0 minutes ago
Kochs are so afraid of ART5 they pay you to pretend you don't understand. I would have never heard of them or alec if it weren't for the cognitive infiltrators here trying to generalize all ART5 activism as alec promoted.
Another poster here has a great test for them, to see IF they really want an ART5 convention.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/action-petition-alec-to-make-a-statement-about-the/ ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
That fear would be why they have been lobbying through ALEC and Heritage and CATO to call for an art V - Hey?
Admittedly the wealthy can afford to buy the US Congress and many state legislatures, correct? And this is why we are here, can we agree to that as well? Thus, the two points I would like to make are:
If they wished, considering all their political expenditures over the past ten or twenty years, the elite could have "influenced" our politicians to call an Article V convention, but did not... If they wanted one, they can afford it.
Secondly, the current political status quo operates, via the twin parties, as designed by the elite. An Article V convention threatens their power and privilege -- shhh, it might awaken some slumbering, dangerous, democratic urge in the people...
No, kochs&alec want an unconstitutional convention. Your failure to test them by supporting that petititon shows you support the fraud of alec.
shooz:
"No ones been able to explain it in plain language."
"Of those who are promoting it, not one can explain it."
"So yeah, I have commented on it numerous times."
Apparently you have a reading comprehension disorder. Or distemper.
I cannot tell if Mitt would be better or worse than Obama. The significant policies would not change. That's what matters. Control of policy. And, no matter who you voted for, you didn't throw your vote away. It was counted. I voted for Jill. But there were no "good" choices in my congressional races.
A Georgetown U. professor called this the coin theory -- that the parties should be as alike as two sides of the same coin, so the people could throw the rascals out in any election, with the other party, without effecting or changing policy. That control of policy and political stability are the most prized elite possessions.
Yes, withdraw your consent to be governed by those who corrupt our government and economic system. Call an Article V convention. Publicly debate amendment proposals in the run-up to the election. Make twin party candidates compete with Constitutional philosophy and ideas. The cream will rise to the top -- proposals and proposers and debaters.
Ignite public imagination. Frame the issues, ask the question and let people educate themselves. Trust democracy. That's what everyone wants, isn't it? Direct democracy? A choice? This is it. Make it viral.
After the election, if we we prevail, we elect local delegates, our candidates -- debaters and proposers, in existing congressional districts, same as any general election, to the convention. They debate and propose amendments in public convention. Any amendments they propose must be ratified by popular vote in 3/4s of the states. Constitutional democracy in action. It's not perfect, but its possible. And its Constitutional, not anarchy.
Ask yourself this question:
As an American citizen, make a yes or no decision based on what you think, and what you want to happen next. The question is:
Either I support the twin-party political status quo and thus consent to all their bad acts I claim to hate and detest...
or
I Reject their hate and war and poverty by voting to withdraw my consent to be governed under the Constitution in the next general election.
Why not answer the question, shooz. Or is it too difficult to for you to understand?
Take your insults to theblaze where they belong.
You lost me at the first one.
Skimming down I find mostly lies and propaganda.
What insult did you say would jolt you from your dark side position?
I really want to know.
A conspiracy of love and understanding is defending life with reason right here, whereupon your dark, know-nothing mentality evaporates in the residue of the miasma that created it .
Cool.
So, in other words, you didn't read it. But you comment about it anyway, because you've already made up your mind. And nobody can change your mind, because you're right. No facts, nor logic can sway you. You ought run for Congress, shooz. You'd fit right in...
Come on shooz, you like asking questions... How about answering one?
Either I support the twin-party political status quo and thus consent to all their bad acts I claim to hate and detest...
or
I Reject their hate and war and poverty by voting to withdraw my consent to be governed under the Constitution in the next general election.
Just shut up and Vote Democrat!!
Its just a coincidence that over the last 100 years its been nothing but Dems and Reps, barely edging each other out EVERY TIME.
Why are you so angry??
So insulting?
Did you miss all the propaganda in your statement? I did admit to reading it, I just said YOU lost me with your insults.
So you insulted me again. Good job.
PS There is no duopoly. It's bullshit, but the libe(R)tarians are trying really hard to make it so..
You have shown nothing but hate, with your insults.
If you hate poverty so much you should comment in the racism threads, but you don't.
You comment on nothing that you can't push your 2 pronged ALEC agenda on.
This forum has changed my mind and altered my thoughts on many subjects.
It's been you all along that hasn't changed a single thing.
When did you say you were heading back to theblaze?
Support Move To Amend:
Move to Amend: We the People, Not We the Corporations https://movetoamend.org/ We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling and other related cases, and move to amend our ...
This Process is already well underway and it's success will open the door for more issues to be pushed successfully forward by the people.
I do support it DK. And a couple of other efforts as well. But, one hundred congressmen saying they support it, is not 2/3s of them voting for it. What do you plan to do if it fails? Just asking...
The corpoRATists as yet do not own everyone in office - or the point would be moot.
The corpoRATists are currently trying to position their pieces - so that when they judge the time is right - they will go forward - this includes misleading/misinforming the general population.
The People need to learn to support and oppose issues - Not Parties or individuals - ISSUES - Hence Move To Amend is a gr8 start in the proper direction.
-] 0 points by DSamms (141) 1 minute ago
Admittedly the wealthy can afford to buy the US Congress and many state legislatures, correct? And this is why we are here, can we agree to that as well? Thus, the two points I would like to make are:
If they wished, considering all their political expenditures over the past ten or twenty years, the elite could have "influenced" our politicians to call an Article V convention, but did not... If they wanted one, they can afford it.
Secondly, the current political status quo operates, via the twin parties, as designed by the elite. An Article V convention threatens their power and privilege -- shhh, it might awaken some slumbering, dangerous, democratic urge in the people... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
Look at who did not support the effort and see if they can be removed from office. This way the assholes are spotted and removed - and never get presented with an opportunity to screw the constitution/people wholesale.
BTW - resolutions are being made and passed. This is not a one shot all or nothing effort - but a continuing/growing effort.
America stands for life? Not with about 3500 abortions done daily in the USA.
America stands for life within its written principals, ideals. Americas position on nuclear war has been and has been unconstitutional from the beginning, so as true as what you say is, preparation for nuclear war comes first as a violation of principal.
None of that is reason to give up on the ideal.
It is reason to unify as citizens, if belief in our social contracts IDEALS is present, and a person want to do something to assure our government acts accordingly.
We need to rule our government with an iron hand. Uh first we better get a grip on the principals it is supposedly dedicated to.
"The constitution is not an instrument for the govt. to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the govt, lest it come to dominate our lives and interests" Patrick Henry
Agreed!
It's functional to know love, because then protecting life is easy. It is even constitutional. Once there is love, understanding is easier.
When you have these things working in your heart and mind, maybe you can be functional.
I'll try to get there.
Trayvons case was one of obvious social prejudice. I'm about the rights we are losing. Of course I understand the grief friends and family know.
The case of Oscar Grant in Oakland was really bad. People like you interfered with unifying behind defense of rights on message boards then too.
Another case is that is off the chart is that of Annette Garcia on the Soboba reservation. Shot in the back from 500 ft by a sheriff.
These cases are much worse than that of poor Trayvon, which is more of an example of how screwed up we as people are getting.
All ALEC legislation need to be shit canned.
All of it, "stand your ground" can go first. I don't mind.
You are clearly an infiltrator because you know ALEC is not ART5.
I've seen cognitive distortions before. You are trying to induce people to conduct "all or nothing thinking".
Or, "all proposals for ART5 are ALEC and nothing else.
There is no one here, including you, who have adequately described art5.
No one.
ALEC, on the other hand is getting closer to calling for it every day.
Another cognitive trap. "described" is the wrong word. Defined or interpreted are correct.
A few Americans her have defined it properly, not completely tho. Perhaps those promoting preparatory amendment have the most complete definition. BTW, citizens are the only ones that can define constitutional intent, and it is by agreement.
I L-O-V-E this!! A 'People's Society'.
Just peeked in for a minute and saw this. Gotta head out, but great, great thread 'rbsp'!! I so hope people contribute their heart's thoughts and their practical minds here. Bravo!
An example of cognitive infiltration-shooz "How perfectly vague and non committal. That's why it sounds creepy."
First introducing a semantical error, then a fear. Because of the semantical error, understanding is more difficult so the fear is impeded from resolution.
Love, love, love
There’s nothing you can do that can’t be done Nothing you can sing that can’t be sung Nothing you can say but you can learn how the play the game It’s easy
There’s nothing you can make that can’t me made No one you can save that can’t be saved Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time It’s easy
All you need is love All you need is love
The motive, patience and inspiration are all fostered by love. When all those things are focused on protecting and empowering life, life lives and evolves.