Forum Post: We must not the let right-wing propaganda machine define this movement in the minds of the public
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 12:05 a.m. EST by sundog
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The right-wing propaganda machine is busily working 24-7 to portray the occupy movement in a negative light. We must not let their narrative of the movement become dominant in the minds of the public! Conservative language is everywhere in the occupy chat rooms, forums, and in the mainstream media. This language should be re-framed using Progressive values whenever it is heard. Speaking our values amplifies the Progressives world-view in the minds of citizens while also neutralizing the conservative world-view.
Here is a list of helpful Progressive phrases. Use these words over and over in your language and communication, when speaking to the media, and when posting in forums and social media. It will reinforce the Progressive world-view in the minds of readers and listeners: Opportunity and Fairness Freedom and Equality Commonwealth and Investment Protection and Security Justice and Accountability Strength and Progress Decency and Dignity Responsibility is both personal and social We are Americans (good to use when being called any of the many 'ist' names) An economy that works for all Empathy Strength Responsibility Excellence The purpose of government is to protect and empower The common good Smart, effective government We are all in this together A progressive, just, carbon-free, equal-opportunity future Solutions that work for all people, everywhere
I totally agree with OccupyBoston. We have allowed the the Republicans and Democrats to frame the issues in such a manner that they guarantee that one or the other of them is in power at all times. The American public takes sides like a football rivalry and the special interests laugh all the way to the bank. I'm very conservative by nature, but the last thing I would want to see would be these protests being turned into a right vs. left. I think the real issue is government for the people vs. people for the government (or those who currently control the government, i.e. powerful monied interests).
You need to stop thinking right and left. To me that is one thing I am getting from the movement. It is not a right vs left. It is not a movement of political points. It is a movement for structural change at the very core of our political and economic system.
I agree with that 100% but you do need to be aware of what the right wing and left wing are doing. The left wants to cling onto the movement but the right wants to destroy it. That makes the right a little more dangerous in my opinion and also shows me that they feel threatened....and thats a good thing. But the left is desperate to put its brand on anything. Still, to my mind, the movement, as stated by its official grievances, does lean left.....if politics is really any guide.
Thanks, that's a good point. And I think you're right. I guess I'm concerned that we need to be hearing people in the movement speaking more from the level of values, because that's what will resonate with people. And we need to be on the offensive because once the conservative juggernaut smears you, and that narrative is planted the minds of the public, its over. Moreover, it is high time the conservative movement was made to take some responsibility for their disasters, as most of the mess we are in today is the direct result of their policies, and yet our communication has been so ineffective that they can actually get away with blaming us for it. That needs to stop. People like Karl Rove and Freedom's watch are still out there and we need to be out in front of them.
This is great!
Progressive = Liberals
Here's a thought .... let me tell what to say and how to say it so we can disguise what we really mean.
That's what your Bull Shit jargon is all about.
"Control"
Your all a bunch of radical left wing nuts disguising yourselves as something new and different.
You have no agenda no message, Nothing!
You guys want to know what we need? 1.) Smaller Central Government The federal government has more power than ever, with the absolutely unchecked beurocracy, with agencies like the NSA ,CIA, FBI all with unlimited resources stomping all over our constitutional rights. 2.) Larger state and local Governments With the 10th amendment restored, our states will have much more say over the laws in each state. When government and law is controlled more locally, it is easier to elect someone who actually represents your views. It's also easier to hold that person accountable 3.) repeal of the PATRIOT ACT and Looser Gun laws The patriot act, since t2001 ( regardless of your 9/11 beliefs) has been effectively taking about our constitutional rights. By allowing the government into your computer for any time, into your home at any time, we are setting ourselves up for what is already becoming a tyrannical power in the united states. Yes, in theory it may do good to stop"terrorism" but at the cost of our own freedom. (and its already been used against people that decent from the status quo(hactivists)) In addition to this, having to register our weapons through the government lets the government know EXACTLY who has weapons. In our constitution, if you want to overthrow the government, you have the RIGHT. the Government should be afraid of its people, not the other way around. 4.) End the Federal Reserve +REGULATE WALL STREET. IF you haven't seen the OSCAR WINNING 2010 Documentary : INSIDE JOB about wall street and our government, i suggest you do as soon as possible. (available by torrents or iTunes) This bulletin needs no explanation. 5.) End the wars/ end the 900 military bases we have. Right now the US is more vulnerable to a foreign attack than ever. we have THOUSANDS of troops stretched out in over 900 foreign military bases. These UNCONSTITUTIONAL WARS ( not approved by congress) are yet ANOTHER EXAMPLE of how our Constitutional rights are being TRAMPLED ON. Our Polititons have way too many special interests, and that is why power needs to be taken away from the central government. We start these wars so that we manufacture weapons, and the people in our government own stock in those military companies. Its Deep and widespread corruption. And in addition, they believe that by fighting wars, it will stimulate our economy (ie:WWII) When in fact, it wasn't until AFTER WWII (1950's) that we began to be prosperous, when we had all our troops home, and there was a lot more people, with a lot more money to spend in the US. BRING OUR TROUPS HOME. There here to DEFEND THER COUNTRY, not imperialize others. 6.) Fair tax Either a FAIR TAX system, or equal percentages THROUGHOUT America. THIS is what Occupy wall street is about DONT let the media tell you other wise
I'm with you mind and spirit! Check out this "Anthem of the Rich"
http://anthemoftherich.weebly.com/
Right on Barbara. Thanks.
right and left are no longer relative. It seems to me that it is a good a way to keep us fighting, but in reality, we're both pissed.
conservatism leads the way to progress: http://poignantpersuasion.tru.ph/post/11142880595/conservatism-leads-the-way-to-progress
meme spreading shallowness in slogan hyper space is not meaningful. we need a full evolutionary sweep into ethics and for the population to study values and ethics as we craft a new total system. Lets not run around trying to sheeple herd people, its more important to go deeper and get detailed and make arguments for those details.
I agree, we must escape the left/ right dualism. your suggestion after is propping up talking points for left wing rhetoric.
Do you see anything ironic or implausible about that?
to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?
you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.
Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.
o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.
once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/
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